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Devil's Advocate: I'd be okay if they had a policy of "if this is a 40k army, keep it looking Sci-Fi" or something like that.

Yeah, that "Leman Russ" made out of an Old World Steam tank kind of breaks the setting.

However, the "my Inquisitor that found an ancient and powerful sword" conversion that uses an AoS sword, totally cool.

I say this as a guy that has a "Skarbrand" that was made from a LotR Balrog with a Warhammer Fantasy ax and Deamon Prince Shoulder pads (back before there was a Skarbrand model).

 Overread wrote:
I just really hope its a front-end not a back-end thing. Ergo its something management are pushing on customers more than something that really impacts the back end of GW. Cause back-end is how you get disasters that cause companies to implode

We could be so lucky. GW is due for another 7th edition decline to show them they've made the same mistakes in a fraction of the time.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Devil's Advocate: I'd be okay if they had a policy of "if this is a 40k army, keep it looking Sci-Fi" or something like that.

All of my Khorne Demons stare at you in confusion.

ccs wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Devil's Advocate: I'd be okay if they had a policy of "if this is a 40k army, keep it looking Sci-Fi" or something like that.

All of my Khorne Demons stare at you in confusion.

I meant it more as a "Keep it looking like it's in this Universe" kind of thing.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Devil's Advocate: I'd be okay if they had a policy of "if this is a 40k army, keep it looking Sci-Fi" or something like that.

Yeah, that "Leman Russ" made out of an Old World Steam tank kind of breaks the setting.

Then such models would simply be less likely to win the competition. I don't see a need to outright ban them.

Warhammer wrote:We've had some comments from the community about entries to Armies on Parade, so we wanted to clarify.

As per previous years, you can kitbash using components from different game systems, but you can't mix whole miniatures from different settings. So, as the FAQs say, you can't present an Ork Warboss from Warhammer 40,000 alongside a Knight-Draconis from Warhammer Age of Sigmar.

We won't be able to reply to confirm every possible combination, but our updated FAQ should help you make the best Armies on Parade entry this year.
https://citadelcolour.com/armies-on-parade-frequently-asked-questions

That seems like such an unneccessary restriction, hamstringing creativity for dubious benefits.

Bizzarely stupid policy. I mean it's been pretty clear GW's gone full coorperate for a while, but this is ridiculous.

beast_gts wrote:

Warhammer wrote:We've had some comments from the community about entries to Armies on Parade, so we wanted to clarify.

As per previous years, you can kitbash using components from different game systems, but you can't mix whole miniatures from different settings. So, as the FAQs say, you can't present an Ork Warboss from Warhammer 40,000 alongside a Knight-Draconis from Warhammer Age of Sigmar.

We won't be able to reply to confirm every possible combination, but our updated FAQ should help you make the best Armies on Parade entry this year.
https://citadelcolour.com/armies-on-parade-frequently-asked-questions

That's not what they say in the FAQ though (emphasis mine):

Parts and components from miniatures set in the 41st Millennium and Age of Darkness may not be combined with those set in the Mortal Realms, World of Legend, or Blood Bowl.

Explicitly says you cannot even use parts from AOS in 40k, not even the full model nonsense they mention earlier (as though anyone does that)

Middle Earth stuff outside Middle Earth is explicit forbidden, including terrain.
So a downer for all those who planned to use the new models for TOW

Also not mentioning the obvious of using fantasy Orks for 40k as an example but the bad ones no one would have done anyway

so back to the old days

Wayniac wrote:
That's not what they say in the FAQ though (emphasis mine):

Parts and components from miniatures set in the 41st Millennium and Age of Darkness may not be combined with those set in the Mortal Realms, World of Legend, or Blood Bowl.

Explicitly says you cannot even use parts from AOS in 40k, not even the full model nonsense they mention earlier (as though anyone does that)

Said sentence has been removed now:

It is just less detailed now, but mixing the settings is still not allowed

so no Stormcast posing as Blood Angels

Awaiting further damage control messaging on this one. . .

Honestly I slag GW a lot but good on them for realizing this was stupid and removing it

 kodos wrote:
Middle Earth stuff outside Middle Earth is explicit forbidden, including terrain.
So a downer for all those who planned to use the new models for TOW

Mixing LotR models with WHFB models has been largely banned in official events since GW first released the LotR game back in 2001 or so, due to licensing issues with publication of images.

Still can't mix LOTR stuff. But I think we all accepted that wasn't going to change.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Still can't mix LOTR stuff. But I think we all accepted that wasn't going to change.

They aren't the same scale so I wouldn't have expected many people to try.

There will still be scenarios where they decide that 'parts' and 'models' are the same thing and deny something because of that. Some of their model kits come with virtually the entire model in one piece, so is that a bit or piece, or a whole model?

Scale isn't a barrier - before GW released their own version; the best way to make a winged Hive Tyrant was to use the Nazghoul wings. In fact at one time that was the majority of converted winged Hive Tyrants you'd ever see!

So them reversing this makes it pretty obvious they're only doing it because they got called out/caught and they were trying to slip it through.

I wouldn't be surprised if they still told GW stores to judge people lower if they're using bits from AOS in 40k and vice versa, just not making it a "rule".

It might also just be that their intention was to avoid having a "40K Custodes" army that was basically an "AoS Stormcast" army because they'd basically used 99.9% stormcast models and then put a bolter on a few of them.

They then just went overboard or worded it poorly. That said they changed things within a day or so.

It's as though they don't have any out-in-the-wild gamers to call on, to proof-read their stuff before putting it out there.

 Overread wrote:
It might also just be that their intention was to avoid having a "40K Custodes" army that was basically an "AoS Stormcast" army because they'd basically used 99.9% stormcast models and then put a bolter on a few of them.

One of the more popular 30k Myrmidon Destructor conversions is sticking AdMech bits on Stormcast:

Surely kitbashing makes more money for GW. Why should they want to stamp that out?
But if the PR department is making sure fantasy and 40k are kept separate, for image reasons, the designers should put more effort into making them more distinct.

I still find this incredibly dumb.

I have 40k models in my goblin army (Which I've used in WFB, AoS, and now back in TOW) but they I'd be surprised if anyone in the my local store can figure out that they were 40k models, let alone spot them without having them pointed out to them.

Not to mention there are models gaps in the games that are currently forcing people to buy from other ranges- there has been no sign of a re-release of the metal squig units for TOW yet so the only option is to buy from the AoS range. Now they would probably allow this unit, but the changes and ambiguity to the "rules" and "FAQ" is such probably not worth the hassle to go through the effort of getting this done just to find you've been disqualified for one unit. I guess it depends on the the mix of ambiguity and if you have a staffer who is pro/against the end times/AoS who allows the mixing of the AoS/old world units.

I would likely enter with my Night goblins for TOW, but would have considered my necromunda gang to give me the push to finally finish them. But that would be out of the question now, seeing as they are a Space-Skaven themed gang.

I think I'd rather not bother at all, put on a no-rules 'forces on display' games day with my local club, and just offer out some big prizes for those that complete their forces. FAQ would be as simple as 'Show up with painted models, have fun, I'll be cooking lunch and handing out some goodies for those that finish painting everything on time.'. I get GW need structure and rules to use this as advertising, but they don't even bother to do a proper job at providing a serious set of well thought out guidelines.

Yet didn't they use a youtubers army for AoS on warhammer community & white dwarf just a couple of years ago which was just the genestealer motorbikes and they were like 'this is fine, you can use what ever you like, there are no rules with imagination'. They must have changed their minds or decided AoS motorbikes are not so cool after all.