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I shall not use that bolt pistol, no one trusts me
*soft techno is coming from his earvox*

((Drk_O is really throwing me off my game with these Eldar/random actions. 11 pages is still quite short for a Day 1 period with this many players. Also, @Drk_O - this bolt pistol gives a day kill power to the person possessing it, correct? What happens to the pistol if the person is lynched? What happens to the pistol if they're night killed? Can we use the pistol to kill the Eldar? While we're at it, can we vote to lynch the Eldar or can he be night killed by the traitors??))

::spits on the ground.:: Considering how none of us can trust any of us - and we certainly best not trust the pointy haired alien - I think it's best if we all relax about this bolt pistol business.

None of us can trust anyone else to have it, and if anyone gets it they'll be a target simply because of the obvious death they hold over the rest of us. ((OOC - there's a role in mafia with a day kill power - the usual strategy is not to reveal you have the power and not to use it Day 1 since it's more likely you'll shoot an innocent or power role then scum. So if anyone who is pro-Imperium gets the gun their optimal strategy is not to use it. The optimal strategy for the traitors would then be to night kill that person. Therefore it's a risky thing to even want to get a hold of and I submit its inclusion is more pro-scum then pro-Imperium. Anyone disagree?)).

I suggest we keep trying to solve this with a nice, peaceful lynching, like the respectable folk we are.

Thor665 wrote:How likely do you see yourself voting in this manner moving forward (going with the crowd)? Since you're still voting for him I presume you agree with the "majority" that he's the most likely Genestealr/traitor?

Obviously I do think so at the moment, but my opinion can change depending what happens before the votes are finalised. Besides looking at the last couple of his posts he seems to be attempting to give of an apathetic aura of coolness.


I don't want the pistol, Eldar this is obviously a trick to increase the ammount of paranoid acusations, why would you offer a weapon to a bunch of squabbling people who accuse each other of being the traitor?

Lord-Loss wrote:When you vote for someone you believe there a traitor. So I believe Thor to be a traitor.

I however think that his questioning is more inline with that of an Inquisitor. Whether or not he is a rogue Inquisitor or even one at all is still unknown at this point.

n0t_u wrote:I however think that his questioning is more inline with that of an Inquisitor. Whether or not he is a rogue Inquisitor or even one at all is still unknown at this point.

And I think this is playing directly into his strategy.

If anything, perhaps it would be best to ensure that the bolt pistol is not given to anyone. We can't know for sure who the traitor is, and it's possible that whoever gets their hands on it might in fact be a traitor. Can we really afford to take that risk at this point?

Exactly my point. Also presenting yourself as an Inquisitor at this point will just get you killed by the Genesteallers during the night phase. Loyalists may not vote for you, but in the end it doesn't really work out that well at all.

I felt the need to try and persuade the xenos to give the bolt pistol to me because I believed he would give it to a more....unstable member of our group.

But If none will take it, then our problem is solved and we must contuine with our discussion.

"I have no interest in bringing this weapon into our situation. We are perfectly capable of making a group decision, and vigilantism will only disrupt this one semblance of order we have left to our disposal."

Perhaps that is what this Xenos wants.

Hmmm... if we take the bolt pistol, we'd better be sure who we shoot. If not, we've not only wasted a precous weapon, but we've aided these foul xenos. But if we leave it, I can't help but think that it's a wasted opportunity. For now, however, I'm leaving it.

We must admit that we're getting nowwhere. No-one can persuade the other to vote for X person.


I believe the only way this day will ever end is if with the death of the brain addled LoG's.

Having had a look back over the past conversation, I think I may have been wrong in my assumptions.

Unvote: Lord of the Ghosts

Drk_O I would like to request a vote count when you are able.

Lord-Loss wrote:We must admit that we're getting nowwhere. No-one can persuade the other to vote for X person.

I will note when someone tries to persuade people he is accused of trying to control votes. That said - I disagree with your basic belief here, we are still quite early in this event and we still have a few members who, to the best of my awareness, haven't even voted yet. We are not in dire straits when it comes to organizing a vote and I wonder at your uneasy insistence at speeding things up.

Lord-Loss wrote:I believe the only way this day will ever end is if with the death of the brain addled LoG's.

Why?

Read the first thing you quoted from me in that post.

No-one is voting.

(OOC: When you dont talk it gives you an unfair advantage over everyone else, if you look back me, Manchu, Thor, Artik, LoG and Orkeo have talked alot. So everyone has stuff that could potentially get us lynched, but we dont have anything on the rest of you)

Lord-Loss wrote:No-one is voting.

Careful, you're getting awfully close to agreeing with my methods there - pressuring people to get out votes are we? That said I do, of course, agree with you that no one is voting (which is not helpful to the Imperium) and that we should get them to do so. However, simply because they're not voting doesn't mean we can't convince them to vote nor does it suggest that LoG is the only lynch option. I find it worrisome you're even presenting that - it's not true. We're still early enough in the voting that nobody is safe or doomed at this particular time.

((OOC - of the people you've mentioned I wouldn't put Orkeo in the 'talking' group. He has posted a bit, but they have been short and never too filled with opinion. At the moment I do not feel I have a read on him that is any more or less clear then say Ultrafool. I wouldn't call it an unfair advantage though. We, the people who post often, could just as easily start up a concept that we should vote out anyone who hasn't posted enough - there are many Mafia sites where this is an accepted and openly suggested strategy used to prevent lurking.))

Lord-Loss wrote:Read the first thing you quoted from me in that post.

No-one is voting.

(OOC: When you dont talk it gives you an unfair advantage over everyone else, if you look back me, Manchu, Thor, Artik, LoG and Orkeo have talked alot. So everyone has stuff that could potentially get us lynched, but we dont have anything on the rest of you)

No one has a clear thought on who to vote for.

Ultrafool wrote:No one has a clear thought on who to vote for.

How about you then simply express perhaps who you would vote for if you had to vote ((OOC - to prevent a deadline no lynch))

Or maybe you could offer up some thoughts about what you'd like to see happen to make a vote from you more reasonable. Certainly if you're unsure who to vote for it might behoove you to try and ask a few questions or put some pressure on someone to see if they appear more or less guilty via their reactions to you.

*techno is booming from his earvox*
I say we should kill somebody who wants a bolter, as they know who is a xenos, and will kill anybody.

lord of the ghosts wrote:I say we should kill somebody who wants a bolter, as they know who is a xenos, and will kill anybody.

::Sigh::

Thats silly and a very bad idea.

My suspician drifts back to you, LoG. That sounds like just the kind of thing some foul xenos would say to protect themselves.

IF GOOD GUY HAS GUN, ALIEN KILL THEM
IF BAD GUY HAS GUN, THEY KILL GOOD GUY WITH IT
GOOD GUY NOT WANT GUN, IT NOT HELP THEM
BAD GUY WANT GUN, IT HELP THEM
GOOD GUYS SHOULD KILL PERSON WITH GUN

Thor665 wrote:Drk_O I would like to request a vote count when you are able.

Votes haven't changed all that much.

pg#11=+=Voting Count

-Ultrafool (-)
-Orkeosaurus (-)
3-Thor665 (ghosty, Manchu, Lord-Loss)
-Arctik_Firangi (-)
1-Manchu ( Thor665)
1-Lord-Loss (Arctik_Firangi)
-n0t_u (-)
-Ghosty (-)
-Mekboy (-)
4-Lord of Ghosts- (Owain, Orkeosaurus, n0t_u)
-Owain (-)

No Lynch-
Not Voting- Ultrafool, Mekkboy

Thor665 wrote:((@Drk_O - this bolt pistol gives a day kill power to the person possessing it, correct? What happens to the pistol if the person is lynched? What happens to the pistol if they're night killed? Can we use the pistol to kill the Eldar? While we're at it, can we vote to lynch the Eldar or can he be night killed by the traitors??))

The Bolt Pistol can do just one of these options:
be used to give a day kill
be used to give a night kill
be used to kill in self defence someone night killing you (this is done automatically if you don't use it)

Just PM me for the night kill. The Day kill however can just be posted as a comment. However, it's effectiveness during the day isn't perfect, and you have the potential to miss. This doesn't occur at night because they're asleep and not moving(much).

If the person with the bolt pistol is lynched, I'll roll to see who gets it, or if it slides and gets stuck or something.


The Eldar isn't invincible, and can be killed. But it's your mission to bring him back to Earth alive, so you can kill him publically. If the Eldar is night killed, then you all see it as a vision and the identity of 1 that night kills him will be revealed.

Thor665 wrote:((11 pages is still quite short for a Day 1 period with this many players.

(OOC: The three week deadline is in 3 days.)

Orkeosaurus wrote:IF GOOD GUY HAS GUN, ALIEN KILL THEM
IF BAD GUY HAS GUN, THEY KILL GOOD GUY WITH IT
GOOD GUY NOT WANT GUN, IT NOT HELP THEM
BAD GUY WANT GUN, IT HELP THEM
GOOD GUYS SHOULD KILL PERSON WITH GUN

"or" says the Eldar breathing in deeply " BAD GUY NOT WANT GUN, THEY KILL WITH COOLER CLAWS"

Mekboy wrote:My suspician drifts back to you, LoG. That sounds like just the kind of thing some foul xenos would say to protect themselves.

What am I protecting myself from? The gun.
Orkeo: I agree with you, therfore the gun has a 30% of killing a xenos. I say we all should not take the gun. It will only do xenos' bidding.

[Well then, the self-defense kill is the big one. It makes it pretty useful to the humans, but it still has a lot of use to the Genestealers.]

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:(OOC: The three week deadline is in 3 days.)

((OOC - This thread and the first story post were put up on Nov. 5th. To my mind that makes the 3 week deadline Nov 26th (21 days later). You're saying it's Nov. 18th. What am I missing? Am I reading a date wrong somewhere?


The nightkill defense is interesting - I think we should wait on the gun situation until we have a fairly assured pro-Imperium role available to us. Then we should work on getting them the gun, that way they'll be protected and be potentially able to stop a LyLo situation in the endgame by shooting a Genestealer. It will be a powerful weapon for us, but it's too dangerous to let anyone pick it up just yet - we need to make certain the person claiming it is pro-Imperium, and we can't do that yet.))

Thor665 wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:(OOC: The three week deadline is in 3 days.)

((OOC - This thread and the first story post were put up on Nov. 5th. To my mind that makes the 3 week deadline Nov 26th (21 days later). You're saying it's Nov. 18th. What am I missing? Am I reading a date wrong somewhere?

(OOC: No, I did sorry ^_^")

((OOC: Thor getting frustrated.))

(OOC: If there are multiple traitors aboard, will using the pistol in defense of a night kill only stop one, and kill a random traitor, or does it simply stop the attempt? I also understand that the pistol is one-use-only, correct?)

I believe we've all agreed that the bolt pistol shouldn't be given to anyone just yet. That said, we'll need to determine who should be given the weapon. It seems to me that our options are either to lynch someone based on their actions today or wait for somebody to get killed and narrow down the suspect pool a little...

Arctik_Firangi wrote:(OOC: If there are multiple traitors aboard, will using the pistol in defense of a night kill only stop one, and kill a random traitor, or does it simply stop the attempt? I also understand that the pistol is one-use-only, correct?)

Just one randomly.

Yep, one use (OOC: It'd probibly break the game too much with anymore than one)

Owain wrote:I believe we've all agreed that the bolt pistol shouldn't be given to anyone just yet. That said, we'll need to determine who should be given the weapon. It seems to me that our options are either to lynch someone based on their actions today or wait for somebody to get killed and narrow down the suspect pool a little...

"Well that boring, I'll keep it to myself then"