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*techno: ...No more hellfires, and please no more gunfire....Dance For Life, dance for life...*

Owain wrote:It seems to me that our options are either to lynch someone based on their actions today or wait for somebody to get killed and narrow down the suspect pool a little...

Um, yes, that represents our two base choices. Are you suggesting a preference for one, or just stating them aloud?

Not lynching someone is against our best interests. Shooting someone, on the other hand, does not require a carefully considered vote. It requires courting favor with the perfidious Eldar, which I think evidence enough to lynch someone.

((OOC @ Drk_O - I would like to request a prod on ghosty, he doth not speak often enough methinks.))

Thor665 wrote:

Owain wrote:It seems to me that our options are either to lynch someone based on their actions today or wait for somebody to get killed and narrow down the suspect pool a little...

Um, yes, that represents our two base choices. Are you suggesting a preference for one, or just stating them aloud?

I was implying a preference for the former. Either the Emperor's loyal servants strike first, or the Xenos do. I believe it's in our best interest to lynch someone lest the traitors begin to gain the upper hand.

My Friends, the sun is setting soon; I fear what we will find on the rising of the sun.

We must decide Now. Before it is too late.

Lord-Loss wrote:We must decide Now. Before it is too late.

It's not even all that late yet.

((Deadline is the 26th.))

Thor665 wrote:

Lord-Loss wrote:We must decide Now. Before it is too late.

It's not even all that late yet.

((Deadline is the 26th.))

(OOC: We have seven days left!!! (says in a dramatic tone))

Seeing as how conversation has dried up somewhat I'm going to offer up the following topic suggestion;

@ Everyone

If you're voting please say who you're voting for and outline (hopefully briefly) why you feel that person is the best person to vote for.

If you're not voting please explain either who you feel is most suspicious or perhaps expand on what information you'd like to see in order to vote ((I've asked you for this already, but I see no reason not to try again))

Hopefully we can see some bad logic holes in people's reasoning - or perhaps find a worthwhile reason to change our vote. I shall start
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I'm voting for Sister Joan ((Manchu)) for a variety of reasons, but I suppose the quickest way to sum it up is questionable logic and avoidance.

The crux of her reasoning against me appears to be issues with my methods;

Manchu wrote:I don't think that. I think you're mannerism could be a convenient way to cover up being a traitor and shifting blame as I have said so many times over.

Manchu wrote:Your method is not toxic, poison, or bad for the Imperium if you are loyal. If you are not loyal, which is my feeling (explained countless times), then this is just a very clever act. ... your methods are not mine and your insistence that I adopt yours is awfully scummy.

She ((He)) admits my methods are not bad for us, but says that my desire to have them used is "scummy". I had described my methods (and why I thought they were good) and asked her ((him)) to challenge the way I described them. Needless to say the challenge to how I described my methods never came, leaving me to believe this is an appropriate way to describe them.

I still outline my method as follows
1. No rush to lynch
2. People should vote in order for us to see where they stand and as evidence for later
3. Reasons to vote (beyond RVS) should have some sort of explained logic and reasoning to them.
4. Everyone should question logic that appears bad.

Manchu wrote:You have said this - above I listed my methods. Which ones would you like not to use? We can discuss it. I cannot imagine why any of them would be bad for a pro Imperium person to follow. Apparently neither can you...(except on the vague assertion that I'm scum because I want to use them)

I still stand by my methods and think that Sister Joan's ((Manchu's)) desire to lynch me because of them is potentially quite telling. She targeted out someone proclaiming a desire to use logic as somehow bad because I was "bullying" people into using the logic. This comes off as incredibly scummy behavior in my opinion and it is why I still currently hold the Sister ((Manchu)) as the most likely scum here and a good option for the lynch.

((OOC - also, from a meta game standpoint (though I'll agree it might just be because he's still learning the game, so grains of the sodium of your choice) but Manch was significantly more aggressive and talkative in other games of Genestealer here on the site. It was curious to me the sudden shift to a more taciturn manner in this game. It might be because he's trying a new strategy, yes, but it also might be because he now is playing a role that requires perhaps more stealth (a genestealer).))

I maintain my vote for lord of ghosts. He bluntly declares his innocence, begs and grovels when cornered, and his excessive abuse of the Eldar is an overplayed attempt at appearing xenophobic when he is a xeno himself.

Owain wrote:I maintain my vote for lord of ghosts. He bluntly declares his innocence, begs and grovels when cornered, and his excessive abuse of the Eldar is an overplayed attempt at appearing xenophobic when he is a xeno himself.

You make me sound squirmish.

Well, I'm still voting for LoG because Drky said that the next one to hurt the Eldar would actually be the one trying to kill us all, according to the threats he made anyway. LoG ignored the threats and everyone got penalised for it. He just started to seem more and more suspicious each post after that happened. I'm not 100% sure he is a Genestealler though, just that it seems most likely to be one at the moment. Like I've said a fair few times; if someone else slips up and seems more likely my vote will change to them.

But, it looks like there will probably be no lynch at all the first day. But, that all depends on what happens over the next few days.

ooc: sorry ive been having real life difficulties. stuff that really sucks. and exams. sorry :(

LoG does seem to be acting suspiciously.... i mean, hes penalised everyone by his actions..

ghosty wrote:LoG does seem to be acting suspiciously.... i mean, hes penalised everyone by his actions..

((OOC - though I will note it was a temporary "penalty" that has now gone away. I still think his actions make more sense as someone who's bored and/or not sure about how to behave in this game then his actions make sense for someone who is scum to have done. Also, now that you're back, would you care to expand on your vote for me? If I'm worth voting for I'm probably worth trying to convince others to vote for me by explaining why I'm worth voting for.))

n0t_u wrote:...Drky said that the next one to hurt the Eldar would actually be the one trying to kill us all...

But, it looks like there will probably be no lynch at all the first day. But, that all depends on what happens over the next few days.

That's a strange way to justify your vote - the Eldar's premonition cannot be used as a reason in and of itself. LOTG could only have been an easy lynch, and it would seem that you are either hanging on for that 'easy lynch,' or by your last statement, you have resigned to the idea that there won't be a lynch.

My guess is that towards the end of the today we'll have some no-voters and some others quickly switch just to try and get a lynch.

n0t_u wrote:Well, I'm still voting for LoG because Drky said that the next one to hurt the Eldar would actually be the one trying to kill us all, according to the threats he made anyway. LoG ignored the threats and everyone got penalised for it. He just started to seem more and more suspicious each post after that happened. I'm not 100% sure he is a Genestealler though, just that it seems most likely to be one at the moment. Like I've said a fair few times; if someone else slips up and seems more likely my vote will change to them.

But, it looks like there will probably be no lynch at all the first day. But, that all depends on what happens over the next few days.

I was too busy listening to techno.{OOc; really, I got tired of reading, and skiped that whole page. I think.} Techno tells me the way. My songs are the Psker's training. I am trying to become a Psker. I do have some powers, but it only happens during my techno, I am unable to use my mind as a Psker without my techno. This is how I got out of the metal doors. *techno stops* NOOOOOO!!!!! IT'S BROKEN!!!! It won't be fixed. It can't be fixed. {OOC:It will not be fixed}

lord of the ghosts wrote: *techno stops* NOOOOOO!!!!! IT'S BROKEN!!!! It won't be fixed. It can't be fixed. {OOC:It will not be fixed}

[OOC: Good.]

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote: *techno stops* NOOOOOO!!!!! IT'S BROKEN!!!! It won't be fixed. It can't be fixed. {OOC:It will not be fixed}

[OOC: Good.]

((OOC Arctik for the win! ))

@Mekboy - I will happily admit that if it looks like we're going into a no lynch situation I would change my vote to try and get someone lynched - even lotg. Because as much as I don't think he's scum, he has a better chance of being scum then the empty space of a no lynch. It is a better option for us to lynch someone rather then no one. That said I still think we'd do better lynching Sister Joan then lotg.

I certainly agree with Arctik's read on n0t_u's reasoning. So much of the reasoning behind the lotg lynch is poor and circumstantial. Nobody has said anything he's done that truly appears to be scummy to me.

please no. *sniff* I already lost much. *sniff*

lord of the ghosts wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Well, I'm still voting for LoG because Drky said that the next one to hurt the Eldar would actually be the one trying to kill us all, according to the threats he made anyway. LoG ignored the threats and everyone got penalised for it. He just started to seem more and more suspicious each post after that happened. I'm not 100% sure he is a Genestealler though, just that it seems most likely to be one at the moment. Like I've said a fair few times; if someone else slips up and seems more likely my vote will change to them.

But, it looks like there will probably be no lynch at all the first day. But, that all depends on what happens over the next few days.

I was too busy listening to techno.{OOc; really, I got tired of reading, and skiped that whole page. I think.} Techno tells me the way. My songs are the Psker's training. I am trying to become a Psker. I do have some powers, but it only happens during my techno, I am unable to use my mind as a Psker without my techno. This is how I got out of the metal doors. *techno stops* NOOOOOO!!!!! IT'S BROKEN!!!! It won't be fixed. It can't be fixed. {OOC:It will not be fixed}

Ok then.. I get the bored part, I've done that a few times as well, but I go back to look over before making my vote. But, it does just seem like you were bored, I'll unvote for now while I think it over. I will finalise my vote soon as we're about to finish this first day phase.

Unvote: Lord of Ghosts


Quick question Thor, why do you seem so sure about Manchu? Besides how he seems to be acting with a little more caution that you said he usually has. Perhaps he simply thought it would have made his role in this game too easy to figure out. He might even be one of the loyalist characters and simply acting that way so as to last longer into the game.

I stick by my reasoning. I see no reason to subject you all to another interminable argument with Thor nor any reason to incite Thor by responding yet again to his baseless accusations. Suffice it to say, I'm voting for him because he insists everyone follow his orders and he's voting for me because I refuse.

So his vote seems petty then...
I'll let him explain though, I just hope it doesn't become another long squabble. Hence the word quick in my question

I don't think it's petty. I just think it's suspicious.

((OOC: I've played an Imperial and a Night Lord aspirant. Both times I was talkative and both times I got taken down for it. The lesson is that I need to refine my tactics. Seeming to be the Inquisitor has been pretty bad for my health and, in the former case, so also for the health of the Imperium. I'm not going to let the Imperium down this time!))

n0t_u wrote:So his vote seems petty then...
I'll let him explain though, I just hope it doesn't become another long squabble. Hence the word quick in my question

Even recently, when I asked everyone to express breifly their reasons for voting someone I expanded on my reasons to vote for the Sister. I will note I have explained more, and more recently then she has her reasons for me. If my reasons seem petty and hers seem logical to you then that's what it is, I don't see how my come across as petty though unless you only accept her interpretation and ignore what I have been saying.

Quick question Thor, why do you seem so sure about Manchu? Besides how he seems to be acting with a little more caution that you said he usually has.

I don't really see a reason to restate something I said so recently (on page 12, and only 12 posts prior to your question, I mean, c'mon...). But I will again note the poor logic used in voting for me - "Thor's tactics are good, unless he's a traitor. I disagree with his tactics because he's a traitor."

She has cited my insistence (bullying as she calls it) for logic as a bad thing while voting for me because of my "bullying" while refusing to explain how insistence on logic (bullying or not) is itself a bad thing. The action of insisting for something that is good is a bad thing? Poppycock, pure and simple.

I grow tired of this, we must decide soon, or else we shall all die.

:Firangi shifts uncomfortably:

"I have to admit that I cannot help being suspicious of not_u at the present time. I do have a question for you, however, Thor... You say that we should lynch Joan, and then LOTG? To this point you do not seem to have presented any personal evidence against him. Care to expound? He is certainly a distraction, but I do not see him as a priority threat."

[OOC: His general forum idiocy here is in line with his behaviour elsewhere in the forum, so it hard to conclude that he is pulling a ruse]

Not_U has been constantly shifiting his vote and opinion of people.

I will unvote: Thor665

Vote:Not_u

Arctik_Firangi wrote: Thor... You say that we should lynch Joan, and then LOTG? To this point you do not seem to have presented any personal evidence against him. Care to expound? He is certainly a distraction, but I do not see him as a priority threat."

[OOC: His general forum idiocy here is in line with his behaviour elsewhere in the forum, so it hard to conclude that he is pulling a ruse]

Re-read my posts.

I have said we should lynch Joan.
I have said I do not think we should lynch lotg.
I have said I would rather lynch lotg then lynch no one and would shift my vote if it came to that sort of choice.
I have not indicated at all who we should lynch beyond this first lynch.