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Good points.

My venue will be allowing Admiral's Orders for OP6.

I can look at my opponent's fleet before the match (unless they hide transwarp under Kirk) and get a good idea if they are going for DS9. I could just try to intercept their ships instead; try to take one out and then move away from DS9 so they have to come after me.

I think I setup my moves so I could bug out on Turn 2 by doing Turn 2's plus sensor echoes. I'll have to double-check.

I am also considering replacing Boheeka with Miles O'Brien to disable things like Conditional Surrender or Interphase Generators.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Just be careful going for the station on turn 2. There are several ways now, that did not exist in OP1, to get extra moves. We now have the Romulan pilot, transwarp drive, and flagship. So if your opponent goes for it on turn 1 you could be looking down the barrel of their fleet plus the station. .

correct me if I am wrong, but I have been thinking about that, and all those cards or abilities use an action dont they? or at least with the flagship you dont grant the extra movement till either after you would have moved and acted, or before your close enough to "sling shot"

and since you only get one ship action, you cant use those and beam onto ds9,

or do i have it wrong?

I think I'm just gonna catapult forward and destroy the station...

 easysauce wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Just be careful going for the station on turn 2. There are several ways now, that did not exist in OP1, to get extra moves. We now have the Romulan pilot, transwarp drive, and flagship. So if your opponent goes for it on turn 1 you could be looking down the barrel of their fleet plus the station. .

correct me if I am wrong, but I have been thinking about that, and all those cards or abilities use an action dont they? or at least with the flagship you dont grant the extra movement till either after you would have moved and acted, or before your close enough to "sling shot"

and since you only get one ship action, you cant use those and beam onto ds9,

or do i have it wrong?

The Romulan Pilot is free, you discard it after you move to make a free green maneuver and get a scan token as a free action. The transwarp drive isn't an action either, during the movement phase if you turn your dial over to a 4 or 5 forward then the ship can choose to move a 6 forward instead.

hmmm so romulans and federation with any move of 6 will get within range 2 of ds9 then, be able to beam on board

thank you baldrick.

(side note: +100 for the black adder referance)

Here a video of my OP 6 tournament:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJywCMp7GGs&feature=youtu.be

A few of us brought our own DS9s. The two big ones in the pics below are AMT models (one painted and the other not). Mine is the Playmates model and the fourth is the WK Dominion War prize.

Round 2 was a tough loss to a very nasty battleship.

If you don't mind, what was the plan behind taking 2 In'Chas? It doesn't look like you were building to take the station.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Round 2 was a tough loss to a very nasty battleship.

If you don't mind, what was the plan behind taking 2 In'Chas? It doesn't look like you were building to take the station.

To boost my ships to get behind enemy fleets and into their blind spots. In the first game, In'cha allowed me to engage the Federation fleet in turn one.

So what happened with the battle ship? If you had gotten behind him you could have wittled him down. Was it the fighters? Did they throw off the plan? Those things are pesky, and effective. Its almost worth taking a naked preatus or TOS BoP just to go after them things.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
So what happened with the battle ship? If you had gotten behind him you could have wittled him down. Was it the fighters? Did they throw off the plan? Those things are pesky, and effective. Its almost worth taking a naked preatus or TOS BoP just to go after them things.

In the only battle I lost, I couldn't get behind the Dominion Battleship because of the Romulan Cloaked Mines. There were no Hideki Fighters in that battle.

In the battle against the two Battleships and Hideki Fighters, I took out the Fighters and a Battleship and didn't lose either Klingon ship.

Gotcha, I think I got 2 of your rounds mixed up. I was making breakfast for a very energetic 4 year old while trying to watch the video.


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Well hey there, ho there, hi there dakka trekkies,

One of my venues had OP 6 today. It was a blast and we had a great turnout. There we buy a ship to enter. For my $15, I think i got my monies worth:







The station is awsome Online pics don't do it justice, it needs to be seen in person.

I actually went for the station in all 3 rounds, and captured it. It was only game 2 I didn't get the points for it, a friends knew he wasn't going to beat memso he shot it out from under me. I was the only one to go 3-0, I am not proud of my list but it worked. I flew:

26 Vorcha Class
07 Picard
04 Conditional Surrender
03 Boheeka
02 Shroud
26 Vorcha Class
06 Dukat
04 Conditional Surrender
03 Inkata'Rax
02 Shroud
14 R.I.S. Apnex
00 Romulan Captain
01 Parhem
02 Romulan Pilot
100 total

It was my first time using Conditional Surrender, it is insane. The Apnex also did its job well, helping me get the win in round 3 with its ship ability. I never lost Dukat or Picard, I did loose the Apnex in round 2&3. I have another OP at the end of the month, not sure what inam going to fly. It will be something for fun though, not so cut throat because I already have DS9 locked there. Maybe Ferengi/Bajoran... ok maybe not that fun, but pure Romulans might be cool too.

What is shroud? and what is Inkata Rax?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
What is shroud? and what is Inkata Rax?

They both come on the 4th division battleship, dominion stuff.

Shroud 1pt tech (Dominion), If one of your dominion crew upgrades are to be discarded, discard this in stead.

sorry got his name wron, crazy jem'hadar names

Ixtana'Rax 2 pt crew (Dominion), Disable this card to flip over all critical damage cards assigned to your ship.


Ixtana'Rax was insurance against any early crits, and the since both of my crew were dominion I could use Conditional Surrender twice for both Picard & Dukat .

Conditional Surrender 3pt Elite Talent (Ferengi), When your ship is attacked, before any dice are rolled you may discard all of your crew to cancel the attack, you must have at least 1 crew on your ship to use this tslent.

Canceling a whole attack is brutal. It saved my bacon in game 3 by canceling a 7 die attack from Martok, (vorcha, flagship, Donatra nearby).


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Shroud is way to good for 1 point. Even without Condisional Surrender most dominion discard crew are really good. It should be around 3 points.

So this game caught my interest.

I was browsing this forum because I was thinking about X-Wing, but then I found this... I didn't even know it existed. I'm much more a Star Wars fan than Star Trek, but only on the ground level. Jedi/Sith are awesome... their space ships don't interest me as much.

What I like about this game is the different factions. I hate mirror matches and with Star Wars I know they will be frequent. I have two friends that I know will play Klingons and Borg (when they come out).

I'm interested in Romulans, because I'm an donkey-cave.

So assuming that we want to start Klingons and Romulans, would buying 2 starter sets be smart? I know that's what people recommend with Star Wars... but that seems more spammy.

Or should we just buy 1 and build from there?

Thanks and I hope Attack Wing gets it's own subforum soon. I think both games are taking off.

 Red Viper wrote:
So this game caught my interest.

I was browsing this forum because I was thinking about X-Wing, but then I found this... I didn't even know it existed. I'm much more a Star Wars fan than Star Trek, but only on the ground level. Jedi/Sith are awesome... their space ships don't interest me as much.

What I like about this game is the different factions. I hate mirror matches and with Star Wars I know they will be frequent. I have two friends that I know will play Klingons and Borg (when they come out).

I'm interested in Romulans, because I'm an donkey-cave.

So assuming that we want to start Klingons and Romulans, would buying 2 starter sets be smart? I know that's what people recommend with Star Wars... but that seems more spammy.

Or should we just buy 1 and build from there?

Thanks and I hope Attack Wing gets it's own subforum soon. I think both games are taking off.

The starter comes with a Galaxy calss for federation, vorcha class for the klingons, and A D'Deridex for the Romulans. For Klingons 2 starter sets is a good start, the Vorcha is a great ship, very solid. There are some good builds for Romulans with two D'Deridex, but two is not a must. Unless you start playing bigger games most of the time the Federation only needs one Galaxy to start.

All that being said it doesn't hurt to have 2 starter sets for the dice. The set comes with 5 defense amd 5 attack dice. For now wizkids does not sell dice separately. One you start playing bigger games you might need more dice.

If you interested in Romulans the Valdor & Gal Gathong are nice ships too. For your Klingon loving friend just about all of their ships are useful. For now we don't know much about the Borg, but their first ship comes out next mont , but its the Borg so I'm sure they will be good.

Welcome to our little corner of Dakka and happy flying. Who knows how long it will take us to get our own forum, but if we keep up good conversations it will help.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:


The starter comes with a Galaxy calss for federation, vorcha class for the klingons, and A D'Deridex for the Romulans. For Klingons 2 starter sets is a good start, the Vorcha is a great ship, very solid. There are some good builds for Romulans with two D'Deridex, but two is not a must. Unless you start playing bigger games most of the time the Federation only needs one Galaxy to start.

All that being said it doesn't hurt to have 2 starter sets for the dice. The set comes with 5 defense amd 5 attack dice. For now wizkids does not sell dice separately. One you start playing bigger games you might need more dice.

If you interested in Romulans the Valdor & Gal Gathong are nice ships too. For your Klingon loving friend just about all of their ships are useful. For now we don't know much about the Borg, but their first ship comes out next mont , but its the Borg so I'm sure they will be good.

Welcome to our little corner of Dakka and happy flying. Who knows how long it will take us to get our own forum, but if we keep up good conversations it will help.

Thanks for the advice. I think we'll stick with 1 box for now and see how we like it. We may try to hold off until April so our Borg friend can have a ship too, but it's going to be hard...

@ Red Viper Mr. S Baldrick is dead on with his suggestions, but here are some more (mind you there are a lot of good ships and you can mix factions at a 1 point penalty per card)

You should consider the RIS Apnex for the Romulans. It comes with an Interphase Generator that can reduce all damage from one attack to one Hit when you are cloaked; this is very effective to help survive an alpha-strike build.

For Klingons I would recommend the IKS Negh'Var. It is a good ship that comes with two very good Captains; Martok (can give another captain an extra action) and Gowron (can increase the attack dice of all other Klingon ships)

Csimian is right the Interphase Generator is almost a must if you are flying D'Deridex warbirds. It doesn't do much for the sience vessel but is great on the bigger ships.

Another consideration for two Starter sets is the Romulan Counter Attack Elite Talent card. Sometimes you can find people parting out a starter, so you may be able to get what you need cheaper that way

Ok so am seeing a lot of 2 ship builds these days, double battle ships and 2 stacked fed builds. I have some OPs coming up. I have one DS9 already and only have to show up to win another so I was thinking of having some fun with my next fleet.

What do you guys think of a Romulan swarm

16 TOS BoP
3 plasma torpedoes
16 TOS BoP
3 plasma torpedoes
16 TOP BoP
3 plasma torpedoes
16 TOS BoP
3 plasma torpedoes
14 Praetus
3 cloaked mines
3 cloaked mines
4 additional weapons array
100 total

So 5 cloaking ships that have decent attacks IF 4 of them can get a target lock plus the mines.

The other thought was drop one BoP and replace the weapons array on the praetus with 3pt plasma torpedoes. Leaving 20 points for some federation fighters. Still 5 ships and one of them really annoying to kill.

Thought?

Why not find some points for Gal Gathong and then you won't need a target lock for one?

 emperorpenguin wrote:
Why not find some points for Gal Gathong and then you won't need a target lock for one?

The only way I really see to do that is to down grade the praetus to nuclear missiles, but the are kinda worthless. I was thinking it might make things more difficult on the opponent if each ship was relatively the same, so there is no priority target to stand out.

So my plan is to get 2 boxes. I'm going to trade my Klingon friend the ship that comes in it and the cards (we want to keep the fleets "pure") for the Romulan ship and the cards.

Then I plan on buying the Valdore, Gal Gath'thong, and the Apnex. That will give me 5 ships and enough to play around with so I can start making my own damn decisions.

My Klingon friend (who is a big star trek fan, but not as much of a gamer... so I want to make sure he gets good stuff) will have 2 Vorchas. I'll tell him to get a Negh'Var also. Any other "must haves" for the klingons?

Thanks again for the help.

 Red Viper wrote:
So my plan is to get 2 boxes. I'm going to trade my Klingon friend the ship that comes in it and the cards (we want to keep the fleets "pure") for the Romulan ship and the cards.

Then I plan on buying the Valdore, Gal Gath'thong, and the Apnex. That will give me 5 ships and enough to play around with so I can start making my own damn decisions.

My Klingon friend (who is a big star trek fan, but not as much of a gamer... so I want to make sure he gets good stuff) will have 2 Vorchas. I'll tell him to get a Negh'Var also. Any other "must haves" for the klingons?

Thanks again for the help.

Nice use of a colorful metaphor.

You have a good pool of Romulans to go with, for you friend I would also suggest a Koraga expansion. Captain Worf is cool and it has some other useful tools in the kit. The ship itself is solid for its points.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Ok so am seeing a lot of 2 ship builds these days, double battle ships and 2 stacked fed builds. I have some OPs coming up. I have one DS9 already and only have to show up to win another so I was thinking of having some fun with my next fleet.

What do you guys think of a Romulan swarm

16 TOS BoP
3 plasma torpedoes
16 TOS BoP
3 plasma torpedoes
16 TOP BoP
3 plasma torpedoes
16 TOS BoP
3 plasma torpedoes
14 Praetus
3 cloaked mines
3 cloaked mines
4 additional weapons array
100 total

So 5 cloaking ships that have decent attacks IF 4 of them can get a target lock plus the mines.

The other thought was drop one BoP and replace the weapons array on the praetus with 3pt plasma torpedoes. Leaving 20 points for some federation fighters. Still 5 ships and one of them really annoying to kill.

Thought?

Some thoughts:

You are letting your opponent fire first relying only on cloaking modifier and distributed forces as only protection.

Since your force is distributed, your attacks lack attack dice. Supplementing with re-roll from Plasma Torps assuming you can get your Target Locks. This may not be enough to crack those 2 ship fleets.

Other Options:

Could remove one BoP and have Donatra to help with attack dice; use the 5 point Plasma Torpedoes, use named BoP to fire w/o Target Lock. Could also use Counter Attack to help deter attacks (maybe put Donatra on Praetus and Toreth on the named BoP w/ CA). But that goes against your distributed force approach....

Another way could be to remove a BoP and use the Reinforcement Sideboard to slowly arm your force. Especially useful for the Praetus; after it drops the CMs it could grab an Interphase Generator.

Some nice suggestions. Sometimes though i think Donatra isn't worth it. She requires you to fly in close formation to get her benefit. She also becomes a big target for the opponents. She was ace in OP2 where you had to stay in close. Due to the high attack values in attack wing I think the best way for swarms to work is to come at people from different angles. But we'll see. We are going to try some play testing tonight. I will let you guys know how it goes.

This mission takes place around Rura Penthe with the Federation ships trying to resue Kirk and Bones from the frozen Klingon penal colony. It's from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtle5iGjHZM


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Six players with 100 points each in a 3 vs 3 Dominion War battle. Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkEWL5W-Uko

Ok, so, I need to know, what's the best fleet to take the station with in OP6? Ours is coming up, and I know for a fact there's going to be at least 1 Dominion Battleship there, we're planning on all three of us playing for the station. So, in a three way battle, what's the best fleet to take?

My Klingons don't have such good luck in three-way battles, the Ch'Tang always gets targeted first, and ganged up on.

I was thinking about using a 4 ship federation build, but that would leave me light on crew so I couldn't take the station and use it against my opponents.

MY Romulan Fleet is just bad right now, so I'm not even considering them, all I have are 3 D'Deridex, 1 Valdore, 1 Apnex...

BTW, the 4 Ship fed fleet I was going to take was

Equinox, Nova Class, Excelsior, and an Excelsior class.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Ok, so, I need to know, what's the best fleet to take the station with in OP6? Ours is coming up, and I know for a fact there's going to be at least 1 Dominion Battleship there, we're planning on all three of us playing for the station. So, in a three way battle, what's the best fleet to take?

My Klingons don't have such good luck in three-way battles, the Ch'Tang always gets targeted first, and ganged up on.

I was thinking about using a 4 ship federation build, but that would leave me light on crew so I couldn't take the station and use it against my opponents.

MY Romulan Fleet is just bad right now, so I'm not even considering them, all I have are 3 D'Deridex, 1 Valdore, 1 Apnex...

BTW, the 4 Ship fed fleet I was going to take was

Equinox, Nova Class, Excelsior, and an Excelsior class.

Well if you want to take the station I suggest "Pike' party barge".
22 USS Enterprise
10 independent flagship (free battle stations)
04 pike
02 Romulan pilot
00 Follower of Khan
00 Follower of Khan
00 Follower of Khan
00 Follower of Khan

The flagship makes the enterprising dual faction, follower of khan is NOT unique and is only 1 point. Pike makes all crew -1 point so you get 4 of them for free. Enterprise has 4 crew slots and the flagship adds another. The flagship also give the enterprise a little punch 4 attacks and 2 actions a turn isn't bad.

I flew this ship at one of my OPs this weekend. I took the station easily in each game. The romulan pilot lets you get there on turn 1. Once I had it people either flew to the other side or destroyed it.


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 DeathwingCrusader wrote:
This mission takes place around Rura Penthe with the Federation ships trying to resue Kirk and Bones from the frozen Klingon penal colony. It's from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtle5iGjHZM


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Six players with 100 points each in a 3 vs 3 Dominion War battle. Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkEWL5W-Uko

I like big games, but it seemed like it was very squished together. Why did you guys all cram onto one board when you had another table? Jousting against battleships is worse than jousting Klingons. They go down fast when you can get behind them though.


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The spoils of OP6!



I had two more this weekend. I picked up the 2nd Bajoran ship for coming 2nd at one event. I was already going to get the station so I went into both just playing for fun. I never got around to testing my romulan swarm fleet so I left that one at home. Though in hind sight it might have done ok. I didn't see very many cloaking fleets, but lots of people had those battleships. Arrrg, they are a pain. I flew a klingon fleet Saturday that had no trouble with them. However on Sunday I flew all federation and they just lacked the firepower and maneuverability to say behind them. It was fun to play with some different stuff though. It did suck that out of 6 games this weekend 4 of them were against battleships.

My area is doing a bunch of different stuff in april to fill the OP gap so we shall see what thst brings.

Hmm, I don't seem to have that many Followers of Kahn...

And I don't currently have 45$ to get 3 more, :(

Was thinking about taking the super evasion defiant build, but I can't quite remember how to get the Defiant to 9+ evade dice.