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Screaming Shining Spear




Russia, Moscow

Banshee armor is all female just like Dragon armor has scales and Reapers have skulls. The Goddess is female, and a banshee is a female spirit.

Otherwise we can argue that aside from Shining Spears, every other aspect warrior out there is male.

God it's all so confusing.

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But where do you get that impression? I've never seen anything saying that ll the armour of a Howling Banshee would be female regardless of its occupant.

 
   
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Have you ever seen anything that says it's not?
   
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Wicked Warp Spider






Does it really matter ?

Jain Zar is a chick. As a PL and a founder of the aspect, she is an exception, not the rule in this regard.

I always assumed banshees were all female back in the day because Jain zar is a female so her techniques would be suited to the female frame/voice.
The fact that some of them are dudes or that some of the guardians are now chicks shouldn't really matter.

I do find it a bit weird that a dying race which is slow at reproducing would let their females go on the front lines but hey...

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
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Screaming Shining Spear




Russia, Moscow

It matters in the same way as SoB being female does, or at least having female models.

I say make a community letter to Priestley and torture him on the most important question of aspect armor titties!

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 Galef wrote:
How else would they eat?

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A straw?

But yeah, later fluff has them taking their armor off outside of battle.
   
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Screaming Shining Spear




Russia, Moscow

witchdoctor_painting
Why does the male exarch have breasts?

warhammerofficial
@witchdoctor_painting that would be the armour - all Howling Banshee armour is feminine as they are embodying the banshees of aeldari myth.

The banshees of aeldari mythology are female and those warriors that embody that aspect are clad in armour reminiscent of that. Similarly, the Striking Scorpions whilst a predominantly male aspect do number female aeldari amongst their number.


https://i.imgur.com/ttB2jHT.jpg
helmets don't matter huh guys?

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 Shadenuat wrote:
witchdoctor_painting
Why does the male exarch have breasts?

warhammerofficial
@witchdoctor_painting that would be the armour - all Howling Banshee armour is feminine as they are embodying the banshees of aeldari myth.

The banshees of aeldari mythology are female and those warriors that embody that aspect are clad in armour reminiscent of that. Similarly, the Striking Scorpions whilst a predominantly male aspect do number female aeldari amongst their number.


https://i.imgur.com/ttB2jHT.jpg
helmets don't matter huh guys?
Please read Path of the Warrior. It explains quite well the "link" between the physical helmet/armour and the psychological War Mask. Most Aspects do indeed use the donning and removal of their helmet as a physical gesture to help the "don and remove" their War Mask.
No one is arguing that the helmet isn't important (or at least they shouldn't be arguing that), but what should be important to note is that the helmet is not MANDATORY for this.

In fact, in Path of the Warrior the protagonist realized he was trapped on the Path after his first battle because he was unable to remove his War Mask, despite having removed his actual helmet. At that point, he sought out an abandoned Shrine with an empty Warsuit that he donned and officially became an Exarch

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Screaming Shining Spear




Russia, Moscow

Galef, I've read Path of the Warrior and all other Thorpe water before it was... actually it never was cool.

GW right there state you the importance of helmets and use it as a symbol for Ynnari to walk different path. You can tell them they're wrong if you have instagram account.
   
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It's probably wishful thinking for me to think this is the end of the 'squad leader sergeant Exarch' nonsense that's been in the game since 3rd edition.

 
   
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Screaming Shining Spear




Russia, Moscow

The news state Exarch is "part of the kit" so don't think so.
   
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 Shadenuat wrote:
Galef, I've read Path of the Warrior and all other Thorpe water before it was... actually it never was cool.



And yet you're going on day two of a full throated bleating complain-fest about how much it doesnt matter.

 Shadenuat wrote:


GW right there state you the importance of helmets and use it as a symbol for Ynnari to walk different path. You can tell them they're wrong if you have instagram account.


Who wants to tell the troll how often GW community folks get things wrong?
   
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 Daba wrote:
It's probably wishful thinking for me to think this is the end of the 'squad leader sergeant Exarch' nonsense that's been in the game since 3rd edition.


Yes it is. We will have squad leaders with more customization than our HQs and we will like it.
   
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the_scotsman wrote:
 Daba wrote:
It's probably wishful thinking for me to think this is the end of the 'squad leader sergeant Exarch' nonsense that's been in the game since 3rd edition.


Yes it is. We will have squad leaders with more customization than our HQs and we will like it.


Man we'll take it up the rear and like it if it means new plastic kits for eldars

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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We don't know there isn't more than one helmet less head on the sprue.

GW pack a lot into sprues these days, I will be very disappointed if it's as sparse as the avenger one is - only marines get all the extra bits?
   
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Hellebore wrote:
only marines get all the extra bits?


Yes...?

You think the DA kit is sparse? I actually think its alright. Granted haven't assembled any DA in a while. Maybe I'm just remembering that because its plastic..

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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 Argive wrote:
I do find it a bit weird that a dying race which is slow at reproducing would let their females go on the front lines but hey...


The same argument can be made for why allowing males to go in the battlefield (provided that Eldars gender ratio is identical to that of humans so roughly 50/50). Plus, as a situation becomes more desperate pretty much everybody will fight no matter age, gender or social status. In fact, in such situation, gender is usually the first barrier to be removed provided it was a barrier in the first place.


From why I read, no Aspect Warrior cult is strictly mono-gender. Banshee were mentionned as being predominantly female. I assumed that GW produced a female model to represent the fact that pretty much all of them were women. I didn't expect male Banshee to have the infamous "boob-plate" and that it was just a shortcut for production a bit like all models of the same unit have the same size en mensuration and, more importantly, the same face. This is especially true for older models where everybody is rigorously identical while newer model at least make the effort of switching haircut from one head to the other. While I like the new models for Banshees and Exarchs, GW faces always look bad to me and that's no exception, but it's not as bad as other. Also, am I the only one who finds the idea of a helmetless Banshee a bit dumb considering they need the voice-caster of the helmet to actually cause harm? The helmetless Exarch seems to have little ones beneath his neck, but they look puny and less powerful then the oversized one's of the helmeted Exarch and normal Banshee. In terms of esthetic, I think the smaller ones look better, but they make less sense.

Also, is it me or does it seems like Exarch might be moved from a squad leader to a mini-HQ position where they can move independantly, be taken seperately and maybe have a small buff zone for the Aspect Warrior of the same shrine. The posing and extansive base makes me think the new Exarch will be sold seperately from the rest of the squad.
   
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epronovost wrote:
 Argive wrote:
I do find it a bit weird that a dying race which is slow at reproducing would let their females go on the front lines but hey...


The same argument can be made for why allowing males to go in the battlefield (provided that Eldars gender ratio is identical to that of humans so roughly 50/50). Plus, as a situation becomes more desperate pretty much everybody will fight no matter age, gender or social status. In fact, in such situation, gender is usually the first barrier to be removed provided it was a barrier in the first place.


From why I read, no Aspect Warrior cult is strictly mono-gender. Banshee were mentionned as being predominantly female. I assumed that GW produced a female model to represent the fact that pretty much all of them were women. I didn't expect male Banshee to have the infamous "boob-plate" and that it was just a shortcut for production a bit like all models of the same unit have the same size en mensuration and, more importantly, the same face. This is especially true for older models where everybody is rigorously identical while newer model at least make the effort of switching haircut from one head to the other. While I like the new models for Banshees and Exarchs, GW faces always look bad to me and that's no exception, but it's not as bad as other. Also, am I the only one who finds the idea of a helmetless Banshee a bit dumb considering they need the voice-caster of the helmet to actually cause harm? The helmetless Exarch seems to have little ones beneath his neck, but they look puny and less powerful then the oversized one's of the helmeted Exarch and normal Banshee. In terms of esthetic, I think the smaller ones look better, but they make less sense.

Also, is it me or does it seems like Exarch might be moved from a squad leader to a mini-HQ position where they can move independantly, be taken seperately and maybe have a small buff zone for the Aspect Warrior of the same shrine. The posing and extansive base makes me think the new Exarch will be sold seperately from the rest of the squad.



I think the helmetless option is silly because its helmetless.. the argument of "but the forcefield protects" seems a bit naff to me because.. if you got forcefields why do you need any armour bruh ?? But then the entire concept of 40K collapses if you apply that kind of logic so I can live with it lol. I think those amplifiers/speakers actually do a decent job of looking the part. Luckily there is a helmeted option so I will just be using that and not get bothered by it.

I do think that the exarch will get some cool rules but they wont gain the character status. Because, why would you ever take normal banshees... I could see it if they make the banshees a lot more bad ass with extra wounds and attacks and STR. Ultimately it wont matter as they will die to lasgun fire or getting punched in the face by a million attacks from mere intercessors so that exarch powers wont last more than one turn. But you never know. Anything could happen!

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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Russia, Moscow

 Argive wrote:
You think the DA kit is sparse? I actually think its alright

Most of the things on it are not even used. What's the point of 2 melee options? I don't remember an edition where those were practical.

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 Argive wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
only marines get all the extra bits?


Yes...?

You think the DA kit is sparse? I actually think its alright. Granted haven't assembled any DA in a while. Maybe I'm just remembering that because its plastic..


Just compare component count from the intercessor kit to the avenger one (double the latter As they only come as 5 man sprues).

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marines-Primaris-Intercessors

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Eldar-Dire-Avengers-2017


I'd love to have even a tenth the bits box capacity for Eldar as marines get
   
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Russia, Moscow

Three point three heads per model: https://i.redd.it/98upt9e7d0m31.jpg

Yeah, a helmetless Exarch option. You eldar so cute.

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Shadenuat wrote:
 Argive wrote:
You think the DA kit is sparse? I actually think its alright

Most of the things on it are not even used. What's the point of 2 melee options? I don't remember an edition where those were practical.


Conversions? Are you saying the bits you get left over are not useful? They usually never are for any kit hence they are bits leftover...
If you are saying DA should get more load out options as a squad I'm all for it brother, but as they currently are I don't see what more they need on the sprues..(Apart from being a 10 man squad again)

Hellebore wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
only marines get all the extra bits?


Yes...?

You think the DA kit is sparse? I actually think its alright. Granted haven't assembled any DA in a while. Maybe I'm just remembering that because its plastic..


Just compare component count from the intercessor kit to the avenger one (double the latter As they only come as 5 man sprues).

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marines-Primaris-Intercessors

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Eldar-Dire-Avengers-2017


I'd love to have even a tenth the bits box capacity for Eldar as marines get


I get it. But at the same time I'm glad don't have to glue scopes to shuriken cats and glue two chest pieces together then a backpack then shoulder pads then glue the shins to the legs then the legs to the torsos. But also it means that if I want my DA kneeling down I'm a bit stuck. But, if you look at the Wraith kit there is a ton of spare bits. (unless you mad and magnetize like me)

I'm not going to pretend spesh marheens/IOM don't get much more of everything then everyone else... Because they do, and it sucks. Its how it is..
Yes, we have to be content with a helmetless exarch... But he's plastic so its an infinitely better situation than a month ago. No point in getting annoyed at GW not going far enough, it will never end and they can always go further.

Plus we don't even know what the kit and we might be surprised (But im not holding my breath)

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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Hellebore wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
only marines get all the extra bits?


Yes...?

You think the DA kit is sparse? I actually think its alright. Granted haven't assembled any DA in a while. Maybe I'm just remembering that because its plastic..


Just compare component count from the intercessor kit to the avenger one (double the latter As they only come as 5 man sprues).

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marines-Primaris-Intercessors

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Eldar-Dire-Avengers-2017


I'd love to have even a tenth the bits box capacity for Eldar as marines get


The avenger sprue is what almost 20 years old at this point made back when they where first experimenting with the plastic of course its sparse of parts compared to modern sprue
   
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Midlands, UK

Xiophen4269 wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
only marines get all the extra bits?


Yes...?

You think the DA kit is sparse? I actually think its alright. Granted haven't assembled any DA in a while. Maybe I'm just remembering that because its plastic..


Just compare component count from the intercessor kit to the avenger one (double the latter As they only come as 5 man sprues).

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marines-Primaris-Intercessors

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Eldar-Dire-Avengers-2017


I'd love to have even a tenth the bits box capacity for Eldar as marines get


The avenger sprue is what almost 20 years old at this point made back when they where first experimenting with the plastic of course its sparse of parts compared to modern sprue

2006, so 13 years.

I'd love the banshees to have extra bits just because of how sparse that eldar bits can be. I know it's futile to compare to marines, but it's a massively different experience where you can practically build marines out of your bits box. I'd say that surely there must be more than just the one bare head, because it seems a bit odd that the only head they give you in the mostly-female aspect has been identified as a male. As has been suggested, I wouldn't be surprised if they showed off the male head just to generate a bit of discussion.
   
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Part of the problem is that we dont have options. All our kits are mono static because the units dont have options. Its a shame the autarch options got removed as that was pretty much the only thing we could kit bash. And realy there is very little we can convert. (Within mono CWE range) Now even thats getting taken away. But there is potential, the wraithguard kit being a prime example of an awesome update and whats possible.

A new guardian kit with options to make storm guardian or normi guardians would be mint. Vant have it all so I will be extremely happy with plastic aspects for now and hope its not just banshees!

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




Multiquoting is still confusing to me, so forgive my short cutting.

Someone said we're stuck with bare heads.

We aren't. Don't like them? Don't use them.

Do we have to except that they exist? Yep. I say the same thing about Primaris, and all the other things that many people here get upset about.

Next, somebody said the head has been identified as male. That isn't technically true either.

Someone on Dakka said they thought the head looked male; enough people agree that it became a thing. I don't think GW said it was male. I personally don't think they intended it to be. I think they just emphasized warrior elements of the face to the point where it didn't match with many people's preconceived notions of femininity.


That said, if you like to think of it as a male wearing female armour, I support your right to think that. If you want to think of it as a woman who just doesn't have features that fit a narrow interpretation of what feminine means, I support your right to think that too.


Because I'm not really invested in changing how you play or think. I chose to see a woman who has lived through so much horror and war that she doesn't really care whether or not I think she's pretty; I see a woman who will tear my arms off or cut me into tiny pieces if I give her a rough time about what she looks like.

And I think she's a perfect fit for a Kill Team coming soon to a table near me.


If she happens to face someone who looks like her in battle, and I'm told be the opponent the them models name is actually Freddie the Friendly Eldar, it would in no way affect my enjoyment of the game.

Male? Female? Let's just say tough as nails and call it a day.
   
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Russia, Moscow

You're kinda late to the whole thing since model has already been confirmed as male exarch.
   
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 Shadenuat wrote:
You're kinda late to the whole thing since model has already been confirmed as male exarch.

Has it? Where and how?

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 Bellerophon wrote:
Xiophen4269 wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
only marines get all the extra bits?


Yes...?

You think the DA kit is sparse? I actually think its alright. Granted haven't assembled any DA in a while. Maybe I'm just remembering that because its plastic..


Just compare component count from the intercessor kit to the avenger one (double the latter As they only come as 5 man sprues).

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marines-Primaris-Intercessors

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Eldar-Dire-Avengers-2017


I'd love to have even a tenth the bits box capacity for Eldar as marines get


The avenger sprue is what almost 20 years old at this point made back when they where first experimenting with the plastic of course its sparse of parts compared to modern sprue

2006, so 13 years.

I'd love the banshees to have extra bits just because of how sparse that eldar bits can be. I know it's futile to compare to marines, but it's a massively different experience where you can practically build marines out of your bits box. I'd say that surely there must be more than just the one bare head, because it seems a bit odd that the only head they give you in the mostly-female aspect has been identified as a male. As has been suggested, I wouldn't be surprised if they showed off the male head just to generate a bit of discussion.


The plastic guardian kit was first released in 98. Dire avenger box was in 99.

The 2006 release wad just ge converting from pewter to resin the sculpts where unchanged.
   
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Nah, the Dire Avengers were an actual sculpt change.

 
   
 
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