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 Argive wrote:
Part of the problem is that we dont have options. All our kits are mono static because the units dont have options. Its a shame the autarch options got removed as that was pretty much the only thing we could kit bash. And realy there is very little we can convert. (Within mono CWE range) Now even thats getting taken away. But there is potential, the wraithguard kit being a prime example of an awesome update and whats possible.

A new guardian kit with options to make storm guardian or normi guardians would be mint. Vant have it all so I will be extremely happy with plastic aspects for now and hope its not just banshees!


It will be interesting to see what options are added now they have the chance to make plastic kits with options. Up until now Eldar options have options [espcially the aspects and autarchs/exarchs] have been limited by the sculpts being metal/resin as we haven't benefited from the leaps in plastic tech [as said for the guardians and Dire Avengers]. I got couple fo things out the avenger kit and I've used DE wyche and hellion bare heads to add variety back to my eldar. I hope they lose things up -I've been envious of other factions ability to kitbash for ages..
   
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 silverstu wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Part of the problem is that we dont have options. All our kits are mono static because the units dont have options. Its a shame the autarch options got removed as that was pretty much the only thing we could kit bash. And realy there is very little we can convert. (Within mono CWE range) Now even thats getting taken away. But there is potential, the wraithguard kit being a prime example of an awesome update and whats possible.

A new guardian kit with options to make storm guardian or normi guardians would be mint. Vant have it all so I will be extremely happy with plastic aspects for now and hope its not just banshees!


It will be interesting to see what options are added now they have the chance to make plastic kits with options. Up until now Eldar options have options [espcially the aspects and autarchs/exarchs] have been limited by the sculpts being metal/resin as we haven't benefited from the leaps in plastic tech [as said for the guardians and Dire Avengers]. I got couple fo things out the avenger kit and I've used DE wyche and hellion bare heads to add variety back to my eldar. I hope they lose things up -I've been envious of other factions ability to kitbash for ages..

It would be a bit of a tangent since Aspects are supposed to focus entirely on a certain aspect of war. But I could see Mirrorsword or executioner banshees being a thing
   
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I would love if they bring the trisckle back as an alternative to shuri pistols.. Storm guardians use shuri pistols... Ya know what I mean? It deosn't scream specialist elite gear.

Would be cool if you could have the option load out standard banshees with trickles + Power sword, Rather than shuri pistols.

So trisckle + P. Sword

Shuri pistol plus P.sword

Dual blades - Mirror swords or dual power blades(extra Dmg and attack ?)

Executioner

Potentially 4 variants for your squad. Would be cool. Not expecting it though lol.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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Jbz` wrote:

It would be a bit of a tangent since Aspects are supposed to focus entirely on a certain aspect of war. But I could see Mirrorsword or executioner banshees being a thing


Yeah, they're focused on the aspect of the banshee, but that's a fighting philosophy, not a set of specific things.

Clearly, Jain ZAR thinks that swords, screaming, running, polearms, throwing blades and dual wielding swords are all within the realm of the banshee aspect philosophy.

I reckon there are a lot more potential schools of thought within each aspect than we've seen. I would like to see dark reapers with shuriken cannons as an option for example, as maugan ra clearly believes they are a valid interpretation of khaine the destroyer. If anything his pupils would have had to convince him that rapid firing missile launchers are a valid interpretation within the context of his original philosophy (a massive scythe shrieked cannon).

   
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 Elbows wrote:
Nah, the Dire Avengers were an actual sculpt change.

Aye, I believe the 99 Avengers were a metal add-on kit to the plastic Guardian sprue.

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Yep, they were. Just heads and...loin cloths? It wasn't much, but the Guardian kit was subtly revisited with the addition of the plastic support weapon, and Dire Avengers had a relatively new kit - which used to sell $35 for 10 and was then arbitrarily chopped to $35 for 5...because, GW.

 
   
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Hellebore wrote:
Jbz` wrote:

It would be a bit of a tangent since Aspects are supposed to focus entirely on a certain aspect of war. But I could see Mirrorsword or executioner banshees being a thing


Yeah, they're focused on the aspect of the banshee, but that's a fighting philosophy, not a set of specific things.

Clearly, Jain ZAR thinks that swords, screaming, running, polearms, throwing blades and dual wielding swords are all within the realm of the banshee aspect philosophy.

I reckon there are a lot more potential schools of thought within each aspect than we've seen. I would like to see dark reapers with shuriken cannons as an option for example, as maugan ra clearly believes they are a valid interpretation of khaine the destroyer. If anything his pupils would have had to convince him that rapid firing missile launchers are a valid interpretation within the context of his original philosophy (a massive scythe shrieked cannon).



Yeah- thats what I meant - variants within the theme of the aspects. Jes Wass talking about their current evolution of design on Voxcast recently [in regards to Primaris design] but what was saying was they were looking to take an element of a design and expand it outwards. With the aspects this could be giving them more options - as has been mentioned his initial designs had bare headed aspect warriors and weapon variants [the reapers had a shuriken cannon design, the scorpions had a power fist -not a scorpions claw as that was an ancient weapon initially.

They probably never expanded this in the fluff because at the time the model options where restricted.
Picked up an interesting bit of fluff from WD127 the other night- Exarchs were described as lost on warrior path - but they could be Exarchs of any shrine before settling on one, and some exarchs would get lost on - continually moving, as exarchs, from one aspect to the other. Hence why exarchs originally could have mixed armaments the Autarchs can sort of do now.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:

Next, somebody said the head has been identified as male. That isn't technically true either.

Someone on Dakka said they thought the head looked male; enough people agree that it became a thing. I don't think GW said it was male. I personally don't think they intended it to be. I think they just emphasized warrior elements of the face to the point where it didn't match with many people's preconceived notions of femininity.


That said, if you like to think of it as a male wearing female armour, I support your right to think that. If you want to think of it as a woman who just doesn't have features that fit a narrow interpretation of what feminine means, I support your right to think that too.


Because I'm not really invested in changing how you play or think. I chose to see a woman who has lived through so much horror and war that she doesn't really care whether or not I think she's pretty; I see a woman who will tear my arms off or cut me into tiny pieces if I give her a rough time about what she looks like.

And I think she's a perfect fit for a Kill Team coming soon to a table near me.


If she happens to face someone who looks like her in battle, and I'm told be the opponent the them models name is actually Freddie the Friendly Eldar, it would in no way affect my enjoyment of the game.

Male? Female? Let's just say tough as nails and call it a day.

I'm one of the ones who mentioned the head being male - but normally I totally agree with you. I know plenty of people want female minis to be clearly pretty, large chested etc, but I'm happier with them looking like warriors. But in this case, GW responded to a comment on their instagram page saying that this particular head is male - proof in the spoiler tags. I thought it looked pretty androgynous myself, but if they identify this head as being male I'd suggest that surely it makes sense to have heads in the kit that are officially female too.
Spoiler:


   
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The whole army already looks like warriors with greek armor sporting 6-packs; Banshees is one place where aesthetic should glorify female form for once.
   
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Well tomorrows more reveals right..
Curious what they got up their grubby faceless corporate sleeves

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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 Shadenuat wrote:
The whole army already looks like warriors with greek armor sporting 6-packs; Banshees is one place where aesthetic should glorify female form for once.


For once? Or do you mean like the Eldar range has had since the 1980's? It's never been short of female warriors.

 
   
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Where are female Farseers, Autarches, special characters etc. then?
   
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 Shadenuat wrote:
Where are female Farseers, Autarches, special characters etc. then?


In the gaming media so far. The Farseer and Autarch models in the Dawn of War games were both females.
   
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I care feth for your media, I mean the miniatures.
   
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 Shadenuat wrote:
Where are female Farseers, Autarches, special characters etc. then?


Jain Zar doesn't count as a female SC? I also remember there being rules for a female Spiritseer for Iyanden, but I'm not sure if she was ever released.

As I'm sure you're aware, there are female Guardian torsos in the Guardian kit, which also means that with a bit of work and Guardian-based unit can include female members (or female crew, in the case of vehicles).

And, of course, any Wraith unit could be carrying the spirit stone of a female Eldar

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With replies like this you can just pour salt on me from a big plastic bag instead, it will have same effect on my fragile psyche.
   
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 Shadenuat wrote:
I care feth for your media, I mean the miniatures.


In the miniature department, the Eldars used to have some female representation in the traditionnal Banshee, a few guardians and Jain Zar (there was a spiritseer SC, but she never had a model). This is of course a very low count of women considering in the fluff, Eldars are a gender equalitarian civilisation in which women are just as athletic if not more then men. This is mostly due to the fact that women representation in male centric media used to sparse, contain to a few specific trope and often tied quasi exclusively to sex-appeal. GW newer models (and story) have a tendency to offer more female representation, but the Eldar range is old. I was rather surprised they decided to go for a male Banshee Exarch since it seems to go against the trend of adding female representation to some of their model lines. Only time will tell if they will add more if and when they release new plastic Aspect Warrior.
   
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I really don't get this. If you want a female centric army if that's important for some reason... could play SOB.

Or, there are plenty WHFB/AOS heads and convert some female characters if it really means that much dawg.

I'm happy with my eldars mainly being dudes. In my head cannon this makes sense they would be very protective of their ladies as they got slow reproduction thing going on..
Its also not necessarly easy to tell whose who... Or do we need huge SOB style knockers to check off that particular box?

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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it''s worth noting, as others have before, that a woman under (realistic looking) armor isn't going to be immediatly obvious as well. Let's use a particularly well known example from modern pop culture.



thats a woman under the armor, we all know this because we know who it is. but you'd never know unless someone TOLD you.

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Are eldar even known for being sexualy dymorphic like humans? Because armour or not, if they aren't, then the difference would be impossible to spot. But if it is, then the looks of the armour wouldn't matter, if one sex was a head smaller on avarge.
   
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Exactly, the Farseer models could easily be male or female, you wouldn't know. So yes, you have your female characters.
   
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It's really sad that we have to justify the lack of models with discussions around not being able to tell.

GW makes every single random thing for marines and invents wholecloth stuff to ADD to the line.

We've got what? 4 types of bloody terminator armour.

But you can't even get a good representation of the eldar population in model form...
   
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Precisely. We also have these things...called bits. I felt like having a female Farseer...so I just made one. Other than the huge hand (which is massive for an Eldar of either sex) this is now a female Farseer:



This one got a male head...but could have easily also been female...it's a completely moot point.



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Karol wrote:
Are eldar even known for being sexualy dymorphic like humans?

https://40k.gallery/img/40K-artwork/40K-20170921054322.jpg
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/58/YvraineYnnari.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20180109153414
https://1d4chan.org/images/thumb/2/25/DE_wych.png/300px-DE_wych.png

I don't know. Maybe?

Hellebore wrote:
It's really sad that we have to justify the lack of models with discussions around not being able to tell.

Hey, you can just pretend your Wraithguard have female souls.

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 Shadenuat wrote:
Karol wrote:
Are eldar even known for being sexualy dymorphic like humans?

https://40k.gallery/img/40K-artwork/40K-20170921054322.jpg
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/58/YvraineYnnari.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20180109153414
https://1d4chan.org/images/thumb/2/25/DE_wych.png/300px-DE_wych.png

I don't know. Maybe?

Hellebore wrote:
It's really sad that we have to justify the lack of models with discussions around not being able to tell.

Hey, you can just pretend your Wraithguard have female souls.


Goddamn I love mark gibbons' work.

Jes goodwin designs illustrated by Gibbons was the highlight of my 2nd ed life.


There are so many great illustrations done by him:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/es.warhammer40k/images/2/2a/Karandras.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20120128104108

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MG's artwork was easily one of my favourite things from the 90's. Just legendary stuff.

 
   
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I hope that Avatar artwork serves as inspiration for new Avatar model if it ever happens.

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The maybe is what makes me wonder though. I read that male banshees wore female armour, so faceless art doesn't explain everything. Yvrena is of course female, but her bodyguard may as well be captin Phasma for all we know. As Dark Eldar goes, with them looks mean nothing. For all we know an angry homonculus could flash shape a dog to look like your trueborn child for all we know.

Goddamn I love mark gibbons' work.

I don't know why, but that art looks alive, in a way paintings look alive. A lot of GW art looks as if someone was taking a picture of actual GW models and then re doing them in photoshop. Nothing against such style of art, but it makes stuff look like toys or cartoons.
   
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We're talking about a race that believes in goddess of fertility (actually a trio of goddesses - young one, a mother and a crone) and even has a matriarchial Craftworld, right?

People seem to give eldar too much credit when it comes to being advanced at everything, be it culture or technology. While in fact they're anachronistic and half of their lore is thousand years old grudges and taboos with a good deal of extreme xenophobia.

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But xenophobia is good, and it is impossible to have an ancient empire and not have just as old grudges and taboos.
   
 
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