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 Albertorius wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Fixed regional pricing to hedge against currency fluctuations is not seeing the future. It's just common sense.

Just as much common sense as saying "feth no" to it. Partucilarly when the change rate is less "hedging against currency fluctuations" and more "let's see exactly how much we can get away with". Take a look at our antipodan friends, for example.

Tell you what, coming the actual Brexit, let's see wether GW takes the EU taxes out of their prices or not.

A bizarre post. It makes no sense at all to ignore regional pricing. You are correct, a company will want to maintain it's ability to charge the maximum it can in each region to maximize the money it can make.

Getting angry about common business practises isn't going to get you far.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Fixed regional pricing to hedge against currency fluctuations is not seeing the future. It's just common sense.

So that's why Oz prices are based upon currency conversion rates that make zero sense! How could I miss that.

I don't say Australian prices make sense or not. I don't know enough about local prices to say.

What I'm saying is how much Australian prices equate to in £ $ or USD is completely immaterial.


The real Brexit issue for continentals will be GWs ability to stop them ordering from UK stores, so they can now effectively enforce their regional prices there.

I would be amazed if local prices were effected much by issues such as local taxation and tariffs.

Vorian wrote:
A bizarre post. It makes no sense at all to ignore regional pricing. You are correct, a company will want to maintain it's ability to charge the maximum it can in each region to maximize the money it can make.

Getting angry about common business practises isn't going to get you far.

Almost as bizarre as saying "they can choose to put the price they want elsewhere because currency". If you don't see a problem when a company's currency rate reads like bad fanfic in comparison with the actual rates, I don't know what to tell you... it's nice not to worry about it, I guess?

And it will get me far enough to do what I've done when other companies' pricing or policies stop making enough sense to me. There's enough fish in the sea, and well, I can always get back to Infinity, which is local.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Fixed regional pricing to hedge against currency fluctuations is not seeing the future. It's just common sense.

So that's why Oz prices are based upon currency conversion rates that make zero sense! How could I miss that.

I don't say Australian prices make sense or not. I don't know enough about local prices to say.

What I'm saying is how much Australian prices equate to in £ $ or USD is completely immaterial.

The real Brexit issue for continentals will be GWs ability to stop them ordering from UK stores, so they can now effectively enforce their regional prices there.

But you did say that european (and by extension, not local currency) prices made sense because currency fluctuation, so which is which?

I would be amazed if local prices were effected much by issues such as local taxation and tariffs.

They'll just be affected by the currency rate GW decides to use, that time and time again, they have shown to choose by throwing darts to a chart that starts at "1 pound = 1.5 pound".

So that's nice.

my exemple alone provides that gw magically decides to hike prices for other regions / currencies for no reason.

BlackKnight wrote:

What happen's then?

A certain country leaves a certain trade area. In theory anyone from Europe will no longer be charged UK tax(20%) but you will be taxed by your countries tax percentage.

But no one truly knows what will happen next year.

The UK sticker price includes VAT

Traditionally for foreign markets GW converts based on the UK sticker price converted at the Most Favourable Historic Exchange Rate then adds the destination country's Tax. They they pocket the extra 20% that is no longer UK VAT and extra money from the favourable exchange rate.

Foreign price = (((UK price without tax) + uncollected 20% UK VAT rate)*MFHER)+foreign country's Tax)+extra transportation and warehouse costs

It would be fairer for other countries if GW first removed the uncollected no longer applicable 20% "UK tax" from the price before converting but it's GW so go figure

Edit: forgot to include the extra transport and storage costs

 Albertorius wrote:

Vorian wrote:
A bizarre post. It makes no sense at all to ignore regional pricing. You are correct, a company will want to maintain it's ability to charge the maximum it can in each region to maximize the money it can make.

Getting angry about common business practises isn't going to get you far.

Almost as bizarre as saying "they can choose to put the price they want elsewhere because currency". If you don't see a problem when a company's currency rate reads like bad fanfic in comparison with the actual rates, I don't know what to tell you... it's nice not to worry about it, I guess?

And it will get me far enough to do what I've done when other companies' pricing or policies stop making enough sense to me. There's enough fish in the sea, and well, I can always get back to Infinity, which is local.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Fixed regional pricing to hedge against currency fluctuations is not seeing the future. It's just common sense.

So that's why Oz prices are based upon currency conversion rates that make zero sense! How could I miss that.

I don't say Australian prices make sense or not. I don't know enough about local prices to say.

What I'm saying is how much Australian prices equate to in £ $ or USD is completely immaterial.

The real Brexit issue for continentals will be GWs ability to stop them ordering from UK stores, so they can now effectively enforce their regional prices there.

But you did say that european (and by extension, not local currency) prices made sense because currency fluctuation, so which is which?

I would be amazed if local prices were effected much by issues such as local taxation and tariffs.

They'll just be affected by the currency rate GW decides to use, that time and time again, they have shown to choose by throwing darts to a chart that starts at "1 pound = 1.5 pound".

So that's nice.

Again, standard business practise.

If someone in the US was willing to pay $100 for a unit on the day before Brexit, they would still be willing to pay $100 for that unit the day after Brexit.

The fact that the £ depreciated by 15% in the few hours separating it does not change the relative worth to the person getting paid in $ and spending in $.

In the same way, if the $ collapsed for some reason, the prices there would stay the same.

As the £ depreciates further against foreign currency, as it probably will be doing, the conversion rate is going to look worse and worse - but in local currency nothing will change.

That $100 unit will still be $100.

Now, that is different to saying the $100 is a "fair" price, which is different for each of us. But, as I said earlier in this thread, GW are winning the argument on prices because they are recording record revenue, record growth and are expanding manufacturing capability. Current prices are not a problem.

Well, sure. Until they are. And as to currency depreciation, well, it won't be the first time that happened, and GW raised prices to make up for it.

Anyway, if these new boxes look expensive to you at £32,50, imagine what we'll be thinking at €42,50.

Maybe we'll see the Banshees in a Kill Team faction box, which could soften the blow. Its been a bit quiet on the KT front and we still haven't seen an Eldar set...

The most "lucky" Eldar players could be is if a few more boxes of Aspect Warriors are released and then a Start Collecting box for Eldar becomes a Stormwind(?) box, containing 3-4 squads of Aspect Warriors at a discount price - or Banshees turning up in a combo box which isn't insanely priced. Perhaps a Christmas battle force box in a year or two with all Aspect Warriors, etc.

Just a thought about the current Collecting set for CW - it doesn't seem to fit any detachment choice. It would appear one will need another heavy or troop choice to make it work. The choices are still badass though.

What flabbergasts me is that they have clearly made it a no brainer for customers when buying Eldar units.

If someone wants to get an elite melee unit they can:

Spend $90aud on 5 banshees for what ? 50pts

Or spend $55aud on 5 wraithblades for many many more points

The dollars to points is insane. You're literally being penalized for wanting play anything but wraithguard....

They've set the unit up to never be bought because their own army has better prices for better units. It's a complete fail in terms of sales...

Hellebore wrote:
What flabbergasts me is that they have clearly made it a no brainer for customers when buying Eldar units.

If someone wants to get an elite melee unit they can:

Spend $90aud on 5 banshees for what ? 50pts

Or spend $55aud on 5 wraithblades for many many more points

The dollars to points is insane. You're literally being penalized for wanting play anything but wraithguard....

They've set the unit up to never be bought because their own army has better prices for better units. It's a complete fail in terms of sales...

I had to visit the Australian site to check... What?! You really pay 55 Aus$ for the Wraithguard/blades? That's 10€ cheaper than in the EU.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Hellebore wrote:
What flabbergasts me is that they have clearly made it a no brainer for customers when buying Eldar units.

If someone wants to get an elite melee unit they can:

Spend $90aud on 5 banshees for what ? 50pts

Or spend $55aud on 5 wraithblades for many many more points

The dollars to points is insane. You're literally being penalized for wanting play anything but wraithguard....

They've set the unit up to never be bought because their own army has better prices for better units. It's a complete fail in terms of sales...

I had to visit the Australian site to check... What?! You really pay 55 Aus$ for the Wraithguard/blades? That's 10€ cheaper than in the EU.

For some reason the last round of Eldar stuff got very low rrps. The wraithknight is 125aud, making 5 banshees 2/3rds the cost of a knight model...

Either this is gong to spell a price rise on all those models, or GW just doesn't want to sell banshees in Australia....

Hellebore wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Hellebore wrote:
What flabbergasts me is that they have clearly made it a no brainer for customers when buying Eldar units.

If someone wants to get an elite melee unit they can:

Spend $90aud on 5 banshees for what ? 50pts

Or spend $55aud on 5 wraithblades for many many more points

The dollars to points is insane. You're literally being penalized for wanting play anything but wraithguard....

They've set the unit up to never be bought because their own army has better prices for better units. It's a complete fail in terms of sales...

I had to visit the Australian site to check... What?! You really pay 55 Aus$ for the Wraithguard/blades? That's 10€ cheaper than in the EU.

For some reason the last round of Eldar stuff got very low rrps. The wraithknight is 125aud, making 5 banshees 2/3rds the cost of a knight model...

Either this is gong to spell a price rise on all those models, or GW just doesn't want to sell banshees in Australia....

GW doesn't seem to care about selling banshees period.

Hellebore wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Hellebore wrote:
What flabbergasts me is that they have clearly made it a no brainer for customers when buying Eldar units.

If someone wants to get an elite melee unit they can:

Spend $90aud on 5 banshees for what ? 50pts

Or spend $55aud on 5 wraithblades for many many more points

The dollars to points is insane. You're literally being penalized for wanting play anything but wraithguard....

They've set the unit up to never be bought because their own army has better prices for better units. It's a complete fail in terms of sales...

I had to visit the Australian site to check... What?! You really pay 55 Aus$ for the Wraithguard/blades? That's 10€ cheaper than in the EU.

For some reason the last round of Eldar stuff got very low rrps. The wraithknight is 125aud, making 5 banshees 2/3rds the cost of a knight model...

Either this is gong to spell a price rise on all those models, or GW just doesn't want to sell banshees in Australia....

Umm... So you get the Wraithknight for around 73,50€ and we pay 110€. Even in the UK you pay more. More. Than. In. Australia. I'm genuinely shocked.

The pricing is a mess.

Most of GW stuff is highly inflated in Australia, but some things aren't and it throws the value proposition off.

For example, guardians, dire Avengers and wraithguard boxes are all $55 AUD, making dire Avengers ridiculously uncompetitive for their slot and price.

The spirit seer is $49aud but the farseer is less than half that price at $22aud... And that autarch is 28.50. and ELDRAD the named character is $40 AUD, making him cheaper than a bloody no name spirit seer....

Falcons and fire prisms are both $83 AUD, while the crimson hunter is $76 AUD, making an aircraft army the most cost effective when choosing vehicles and wave serpents are $74 AUD, making them the cheapest tank to buy.

6 resin banshees were $63aud and 5 plastic ones are now $90.


The cheapest Eldar army to make in Aus is wraithguard, farseers, wave serpents and aircraft.

They look like GW chose prices with a dart board...

 Albertorius wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Fixed regional pricing to hedge against currency fluctuations is not seeing the future. It's just common sense.

Just as much common sense as saying "feth no" to it. Partucilarly when the change rate is less "hedging against currency fluctuations" and more "let's see exactly how much we can get away with". Take a look at our antipodan friends, for example.

Tell you what, coming the actual Brexit, let's see wether GW takes the EU taxes out of their prices or not.

They will add import taxes and ban UK stores selling to EU like they already ban outside EU.

Which is a pity, but I guess there are other games to be played if the voter insanity tax puts the price as too high for us outsiders.

Cronch wrote:
Which is a pity, but I guess there are other games to be played if the voter insanity tax puts the price as too high for us outsiders.

Indeed. Nowadays, local fabrication can be really, really local. And it will only get better.