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so Plastic Howling Banshees, plastic Incubi, Jain Zar, and Drazhar are all up for pre-order next weekend. about time

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While I won't be buying any, I'm ready to laugh at the price of the Howling Banshees.

Five toughness three models, costing around, what 50-60 points for a box...at minimum, $35 a pop...or $70 for ten, costing even more than a box of Primaris marines, etc.

Worst case scenario, a $40-45 box....making it comically priced for infantry models. Still better than finecast, but making a 2000 point army hilarious to even consider if you wanted to go infantry heavy - assuming all the Aspects follow this trend.

Would love to be surprised and somehow get a larger box for less...but I doubt we'll see it.
   
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 Elbows wrote:
Five toughness three models, costing around, what 50-60 points for a box...at minimum, $35 a pop...or $70 for ten, costing even more than a box of Primaris marines, etc.


Given that they think a box of 10 guardians should cost the same as 5 dire avengers, yea, i expect them to be over priced.
   
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Guessing AUD$70 for both the special characters.

So glad I bitz ordered Drazah when he was first released. And the Incubi.

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Well they could be in the primaris sniper Ballpark of ridicoulousness.


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Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
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GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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Not Online!!! wrote:
Well they could be in the primaris sniper Ballpark of ridicoulousness.


Do you mean price, or rules?
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Well they could be in the primaris sniper Ballpark of ridicoulousness.


Do you mean price, or rules?


Truck question ,the answer is both,well actually no, the new banshees are ok,not nuts

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Well they could be in the primaris sniper Ballpark of ridicoulousness.


Do you mean price, or rules?


Truck question ,the answer is both,well actually no, the new banshees are ok,not nuts


You mean okay aesthetically ?

The 2nd hand market seemed to have reacted rapidly to the news. The only banshees from BOTP I can see are already costed at £31.99 From about (21.99, 18.99 cheapest)
This will make botp box set seem like GWs deal of the century lol..

I think anyone who has wanted the new banshees has already got them. And those that haven't gone the 2nd market route are about to complain bitterly about how stupidity expensive these are.

I'm estimating £25 price tag for 5 banshees.
£20 for Jainzar.

If they do a box of 10 Ill probably pick another one up as Id like to run 20.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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Nah rulewise, limited experience though only on reseveing End


https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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They are cheap chaff speedbumps. I use storm guardians though and they perform a similar role while giving me CP and are like half the pts..

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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They simply cannot be relevant with 2 attacks at Strength 3, even with power swords. Unless you treat them as a distraction unit (running around, hoping to tie up units) they're simply nothing in a game where cheaper units are throwing 3-4-5 attacks a turn. That and Striking Scorpions just became far better with a 5+ mortal wound ability now.
   
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Yes. But I think all they need is D3 dmg which make them interesting. You can thrown in a doom and some custom traits and all of a sudden you hit quite hard. One can dream, though lol.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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Realistically, I will stick with my squad of old metal Banshees. I got them cheaper than Finecast off Ebay, and I love the old sculpts. Aspect warriors aged fantastically compared to other models from that time.



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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Realistically, I will stick with my squad of old metal Banshees. I got them cheaper than Finecast off Ebay, and I love the old sculpts. Aspect warriors aged fantastically compared to other models from that time.


this is proably why GW took so long to do plastic aspect warriors.

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They still missed a massive opportunity by not doing them as dual kits.

Imagine if the Banshee kit had also made Hawks. That super-duper-overpriced battlebox they put out might've been more interesting if you got 5 Banshees and 5 Hawks rather than damned dinky Vyper.

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Yep, but that also screws over new players and people unaware with the history of miniatures. All a new player sees is expensive, garbage-ass finecast...it's for this reason I can't even recommend a new player starting Craftworlds Eldar as an army.

I built my whole army of eBay rescued metals from the 90's, but I don't imagine "most" players, particularly younger ones new to wargaming or the game of Warhammer 40K will go that route. Also, the issue here (for me) is that they chose a really useless Aspect to start with new plastic ones...and then placed them in an atrociously expensive boxed set, coupled with ancient plastic units which aren't popular.

Now if they release Banshees (a unit no one takes anyway) for $40-45 a box....no one is going to buy them and they'll think "Well, I guess we don't need to risk assets on more plastic aspect warriors...", etc.
   
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I'm expecting $70 (AUD) for the characters which is the standard for single special characters these days.

The optimist in me says $55 (AUD) for the Banshees and Incubi which would be consistent with other 5 man boxes like Immortals and Dire Avengers.


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 NurglesR0T wrote:
The optimist in me says $55 (AUD) for the Banshees and Incubi which would be consistent with other 5 man boxes like Immortals and Dire Avengers.
Which means they'll be $65, as they're much newer.

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Well price complains starting didn't take long as usual

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It's not as if they're not justified...so what's the big deal?
   
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Justified?

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Discussions and complaints about the prices are 100% justified. It's not some taboo or illegal subject to discuss and is relevant to the players of the game yes?
   
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When GW hasn't even released the fething price yes it is too early.

I expect they'll be about the price of most boxed infantry, about 55-60 USDs GW's pricing recently has been mostly consistant. ther big question is "how many in a box?"

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BrianDavion wrote:
When GW hasn't even released the fething price yes it is too early.
Oh please. GW follows weird patterns, and whilst they may be prone to changing horses midway through their races, when it comes to prices it's always safe to assume that they'll either be the same as the bat gak crazy prices that they are now (ie. AUD$70 for a single plastic character) or they'll somehow be higher.

As for how many in a box? 5. If there are 10 I will be beside myself with amazement, although in that case the kit would likely be be AUD$96 like the new Sisters.

 Elbows wrote:
Discussions and complaints about the prices are 100% justified. It's not some taboo or illegal subject to discuss and is relevant to the players of the game yes?
My bad. I thought you meant the prices were 100% justified.


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Well...the price is also the only thing to talk about in this thread is it not? We know what the models are, and we know their codex entry...and their slight changes in Psychic Awakening. We're not expecting any rules changes or additional stuff, correct?

The sprues from the boxed set included five models, one of which was an Exarch - and I'm not entirely sure, but I don't believe you could field that model as a normal Banshee (can someone confirm?) Regardless it would be unlike GW to produce a kit with dual Exarch options, so you're going to get five models in a kit, most likely. Would it be awesome if the kit was 7 to 10 models and an additional sprue or two was added to make it a full unit? Yes, but we've seen from numerous other lines of models that "Elite" style units tend to be sold five to a box instead of 10.

$35 is the cost of five Dire Avengers (a box which used to contain ten but was cut in half...for...reasons). So at the very best we could expect the five models from the Blood of the Phoenix box in a solo box for $35. However, new sculpts, new models, and GW has increased the price of models pretty consistently almost every year or two, so a $40 or $45 price tag is not out of the question.

In an ideal world, would it be a box of 10 for $60 or under? Perhaps, but I don't see it happening. Very worst case is they follow the Sisters of Battle Retributor cost of $55 per five models (ignoring the two cherubs). I don't think we'd be that unlucky.

The annoying part is that, regardless of how nice a figure is...paying $35-45 for five single wound Toughness 3 models in 4+ armour is an enthusiasm killer. My concern, as voiced above, is that Banshees, being mediocre and potentially very expensive for their tabletop ability will lead to fewer sales and may damage future plans for plastic Aspect warriors.



   
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It'll be 50US$, have you not been seeing their pricing recently?

The last multipart 40k/aos kit that was priced at 35$ is Stormcast Vanguard Raptor, from 2017.

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 Elbows wrote:
Discussions and complaints about the prices are 100% justified. It's not some taboo or illegal subject to discuss and is relevant to the players of the game yes?


Would be nice if complaining would at least start once prices are known rather than day before.

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It would be nice if complaining about prices started so early and loudly that it affected the entire customer base and GW was forced to address it.

   
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People have complained about GW prices for minimum of 24 years(how long I have been playing GW games. Can't comment on before that).

Good luck getting early and loud enough. 24 years of non stop complaining is clearly too late and too quiet.

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The only things that'd make them change the price is a dip in sale and profit, I don't see that number going down any time soon.

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