nintura wrote:

Eldenfirefly wrote:
So, I just had a thought, is it worth losing command protocols so that we run two separate necron detachements with different dynasties?

Like while we lose command protocols, we do get to now choose a shooty dynasty (like mephrit) for a shooty detachment, and then maybe a custom dynasty or a melee based dynasty for a more melee oriented detachment that has everything obsec.

Because the command protocols are a pain to use, and kind of dependent on how the game goes each turn. While, if you take a shooty dynasty and a melee based dynasty, you can tailor the units in those detachments to make the best use of the dynasty traits and such.

So, do you think its worth losing command protocols over?

Several of the articles I"ve read have mentioned that Cron players probably will shy away from the command protocols because they are convoluted and don't really do much. So yeah you'll probably see what you're doing being very common. Sort of like Tyranid players.

Eldenfirefly wrote:
Do we have enough firepower on our characters such that we can skip bringing heavy support and vehicles ? So like bring mass infantry and scarabs. 2 dynasties, 2 C'than shards, Immotek, and a Plasmancer or two, other characters.

And just use our characters and mortal wounds against the opponent's heavy and elite stuff?

Plasmancer has a decent anti tank gun. And well, an overlord with a relic Taycon arrow has a 6 damage shot too.

So, this way, its almost impossible to shoot out our characters and the 2 Cthan shards in the first 2 turns. Time enough to clear all the chaff and use mortal wounds and character shooting to wittle down their heavies? Or just charge them and tie them in combat turn 3.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I think that list could work, though I am not a fan of double C'tan at all, and I would really debate taking a C'tan in that list at all. I would think you might go better going heavy on protected characters instead, to make them totally waste their anti-tank.

Szeras probably does great work in that list; his gun is good, and he gets full use out of his buffing and rezzing in a list full of core. I'd think him + a CCB with the relic staff probably does better work in that list than a C'tan, for nearly 50 points less.

yukishiro1 wrote:
He's the only LoW since pre-nerf Girlyman that's actually value for points IMO. He just does so much. He's like the opposite of a C'tan. C'tan do a couple of things very well and everything else badly or not at all; he does practically everything pretty well, without necessarily having any game-breaking tricks.

I think there's potentially a place for him in almost every list, though obviously lists with a strong <CORE> focus are going to get more out of his buffs than ones that don't. But honestly he's so strong that I think he potentially has a place even in lists that take only one big unit of, say, Lychguard or Praetorians, even without much else that he can buff.

 Xenomancers wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
I think that list could work, though I am not a fan of double C'tan at all, and I would really debate taking a C'tan in that list at all. I would think you might go better going heavy on protected characters instead, to make them totally waste their anti-tank.

Szeras probably does great work in that list; his gun is good, and he gets full use out of his buffing and rezzing in a list full of core. I'd think him + a CCB with the relic staff probably does better work in that list than a C'tan, for nearly 50 points less.

Running this exact setup. It is wonderful.


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yukishiro1 wrote:
He's the only LoW since pre-nerf Girlyman that's actually value for points IMO. He just does so much. He's like the opposite of a C'tan. C'tan do a couple of things very well and everything else badly or not at all; he does practically everything pretty well, without necessarily having any game-breaking tricks.

I think there's potentially a place for him in almost every list, though obviously lists with a strong <CORE> focus are going to get more out of his buffs than ones that don't. But honestly he's so strong that I think he potentially has a place even in lists that take only one big unit of, say, Lychguard or Praetorians, even without much else that he can buff.

I think hes about 100 points overcosted. Which is a significant amount. Pretty much the most schizophrenic rules I have ever seen on a model with the most horrendous rules for degradation. Buffs only core and praetorians (you get an award if you actually manage to buff the praetorians in melee with him).

Just compare what you can get for his cost and you see hes not remotely balanced in cost.
3x triarch stalkers with heavy gauss. 18 str 7 ap-3 d3 damage per turn with 9 str 7 ap-3 flat 3 damage melee attacks.
36 t7 wounds with quantum sheilding.
3 targets per turn buffed with reroll 1's (not just core).

The worst part about silent king is losing the annihilation beams after your first 10 wounds. That alone makes him overcosted.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Melee anti-tank looks great on paper, but in reality doesn't tend to work in the game unless the unit in question is either very fast or has a good way to guarantee a charge from reserves. Without one of those two, the opponent's vehicles can just avoid your melee anti-tank.

The only thing in the Necron book that really fits that bill is scytheguard deploying via the night scythe strat for a max 6" charge. The difficulty here is that it's actually surprisingly easy to screen out the night scythe coming in from DS because of the big base. And even if you start the thing on the table, you can't do the strat T1, so that's not a great solution either because it has to survive a full turn before it can swoop in for delivery. I think that combo has play, but I wouldn't rely on it or any other melee to kill tanks.

It's unfortunate given how anemic necron anti-tank shooting is, but I don't think you can really rely on melee to do it. If you're going to go that route, it's better to just give up on killing vehicles and focus on just tagging them instead with stuff like scarabs.

 CKO wrote:


This seems like you have an issue with all melee options. I disagree, you do not need a gimmick in order to use melee units. We don't have to have a perfect world where our cc units are able to charge as soon as they arrive, although we have that option available depending on proper screening. We have Skorpekh and Canoptek units who are fast enough to be in charge range by turn 2-3, if your scarabs can tag them then that means skorpekh destroyer or wraith squads can tag them.

yukishiro1 wrote:
It's funny how people look at things differently, to me those are just a little bonus, not something I actually care about losing. In the vast majority of matchups, unless you play badly you're going to get at least one volley off with them, which seems fine to me.

 CKO wrote:
Can you get -4 AP withe Mephrit and vengeful stars? I don't know if modifiers only apply to hit rolls.

v0iddrgn wrote:
Do you round up for Mephrit half range? Eg 27in = 14in for bonus -1 AP.

Barcha wrote:
Hello, guys! I'm a pretty new player, having only played a bit back at the start of 8th. I thought I would post my current list here and maybe get some useful feedback.

List:

Spoiler:

The list is a nihilakh battalion detachment

HQ:
CCB (Warlord: Precognitive Strike,Voidreaper, Gauss cannon)
Szeras
Technomancer (cloak, phylacterine hive)

Troops
5x Immortals (gauss)
5x Immortals (gauss)
5x Immortals (gauss)
5x Immortals (gauss)
5x Immortals (gauss)
5x Immortals (gauss)

Elites
Nightbringer Shard (undecided on powers)
5x Deathmarks

Fast Attack
6x Tomb Blades (gauss, shield vanes)
5x triarch praetorians (rods)

Heavy Support
2x doomstalkers

My overall logic is something like this. The nightbringer shard is there mostly to be a big threat that eats a lot of fire. Similarly, the CCB is mostly there to discourage charging my main force. I went with lots of small units of immortals because I feel like they do much better than warriors as general infantry, at least when operating without heavy reliance on ghost arks and the like. They go and sit on objectives, and still have the range and punch to affect things. Szeras is there to patch up units in reach and maybe give out a decent buff or two. With as much core as I have in the list, I figure he's worth the minor cost up from just running two technomancers to do his job.

I like deathmarks, and I'm hopeful they'll do something this edition, particularly with their ability to drop into an isolated spot and start poking more fragile characters.

The tomb blades and praetorians will hopefully work okay as a more mobile force while I walk the rest of the guys up. the technomancer with the cloak should hopefully keep some of them up.

I picked Nihilakh mostly for flavor (my necrons are painted in tan, gold, and blue), although extra objective secured on already durable bodies seems pretty good, and I like their warlord trait.

Lastly, the doomstalkers are meant as more denial than anything. Setting them up will in all likelihood, cause my opponent to immediately clear any of their heavy vehicles from its firing arc. I think that kind of positional control has some value at least. Sitting in the back with Nihilakh gives them the odd bonus of any AP large enough to matter being wasted on their invuln.


I really want to run one of the new royal wardens, and a squad of lychguard with sword and shields, but I haven't found anything I would cut.

yukishiro1 wrote:


Assuming you aren't trying to take the most competitive list possible here, but do want some advice on how to make it more competitive in the general range of what you've got:

Take the -1D trait instead of the always strikes first, unfortunately the way the game mechanics work (i.e. chargers still hit before it) that trait is almost never useful. The technomancer can't do anything for the praetorians except I guess rez one once a game with the thing you paid almost as much for as the cost of a praetorian, and I think it is redundant in a list where you also take szeras, so I'd cut one of the two, or if you're really committed to both, turn it into a +1 to hit bot for the doomstalkers. But I probably wouldn't do that, the bot is only really value if you take 3.

I don't think you need 6 troops in a list where everything has ob-sec, I'd drop 3 of those immortals units for at least one unit of scarabs, preferably two, and preferably 9 man each. Your list doesn't have fast stuff that wants to be on objectives right now, and ob-sec scarabs are just wickedly good things to have around. With the extra points left over from that + dropping the technomancer I'd pick up a triarch stalker since you can make a lot of use out of the rerolling 1s to hit, or a third doomstalker if you decided to go the technomancer +1 to hit.

It would be more competitive to go custom dynasty and take the +6" pre-game move instead of the -1AP in your deployment zone, but Nihilakh isn't terrible or anything.