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Anyone who saw “+2 to reivers” and thought these were legit is probably not paying attention

 Dysartes wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So do the new points come out tomorrow when pre-orders go up, or next week when the book comes out?

I haven't seen it confirmed either way, but I'd suspect alongside the actual release - maybe on the Friday the day before.

And dammit, people - the SoB leaks were meant to be of points increases to set ERJACK off again...

I'm disappointed too. I've been practicing my rants in the shower all week. I was ready to be completely off the rails, but those(if real) are completely reasonable.

beast_gts wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Alleged point leaks from reddit:

Reiver Squad +2 (ppm)

What have Reivers done to deserve that?

Designers at GW probably thought the Reiver strat was too broken and they needed to be reigned in a little.


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 Leth wrote:
Anyone who saw “+2 to reivers” and thought these were legit is probably not paying attention

Honestly the designers are so bad at their jobs that nothing is off the table. It could've been a FIVE point increase and I'd believe it.

 xttz wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Alleged point leaks from reddit:

I've seen a couple of people on Discord involved in recent codex leaks state that these points are fake. The Reddit threads have also been removed.

The reddit thread with no marines points is still up.

Most of those Sisters leaked points changes are very reasonable. The Imagifier is still garbage though and a 5 point reduction on the Immolator feels rather pointless. If it was 15-20 points then they actually might be tournament viable. Still, any reduction is nice and it's better than nothing. Maybe in another year they'll have dropped those remaining 10-15 points.

I can understand leaks from the book, as printing and pre-orders and such, but I don't think there has been leaks of the PDF's yet, so I'll be taking any points 'leaks' with a grain of salt.

So something with zero evidence, and flys in the face of almost everything they have done, you take as true because you assume they are terrible at heir jobs, and use that to attack them?

Like it’s one thing to have something you don’t like, but to believe things that are borderline obviously made up, just to enable an attack on people you don’t like. What was the term for that?

Anyway, I got my annual fill of dakka in two days lol. Never change.

 Leth wrote:
Anyone who saw “+2 to reivers” and thought these were legit is probably not paying attention

Why? It would make perfect sense, GW has been very committed to making Reivers unplayable from the get go.

WHAT ABOUT THE GUARD

ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU GW

shank911 wrote:
WHAT ABOUT THE GUARD

ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU GW

The players broke before the guard did

shank911 wrote:
WHAT ABOUT THE GUARD

ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU GW

Yes.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I think the problem is you are fighting a subjective opinion.

My opposition isn't in balance. Its in interest. Freely available WLT/Relics allowed for making characters "your dudes", since the scope for doing so had largely been taken out of the datasheets.

"Its fine, in competitive games you only ever saw the same combos and 90% might never have been printed" isn't really a response either. If you want a reduction in power, nerf the good ones. (This arguably also applies to people using a bunch of CP over turns 1 and 2.)

Instead we are doubling down on the cookie cutter or nothing.

But that isn't correct. You can still take them. You just need to deal with the cost of going all in on them.

You can drink bleach too, that doesn't make it a beverage.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

shank911 wrote:
WHAT ABOUT THE GUARD

ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU GW

The players broke before the guard did

Not the remaining loyal 32

If the guard is the joke, I wonder what that makes Chaos Daemons?

 Tyran wrote:
If the guard is the joke, I wonder what that makes Chaos Daemons?

A mistake.

What about Necrons?!? Anything up yet on their points?!

 Crimson wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Anyone who saw “+2 to reivers” and thought these were legit is probably not paying attention

Why? It would make perfect sense, GW has been very committed to making Reivers unplayable from the get go.

They've improved Reivers several times and even game them their own AoR to no effect. They have never nerfed Reivers.


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ERJAK wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I think the problem is you are fighting a subjective opinion.

My opposition isn't in balance. Its in interest. Freely available WLT/Relics allowed for making characters "your dudes", since the scope for doing so had largely been taken out of the datasheets.

"Its fine, in competitive games you only ever saw the same combos and 90% might never have been printed" isn't really a response either. If you want a reduction in power, nerf the good ones. (This arguably also applies to people using a bunch of CP over turns 1 and 2.)

Instead we are doubling down on the cookie cutter or nothing.

But that isn't correct. You can still take them. You just need to deal with the cost of going all in on them.

You can drink bleach too, that doesn't make it a beverage.

I mean...that is a sentence there.

I don't find the black and white perspectives very useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCs4aSrATpQ

Twisted Dice have a Youtube video about point changes scheduled for when the Chapter Approved NDA lifts tomorrow morning. The title implies good things for Orks.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Anyone who saw “+2 to reivers” and thought these were legit is probably not paying attention

Why? It would make perfect sense, GW has been very committed to making Reivers unplayable from the get go.

They've improved Reivers several times and even game them their own AoR to no effect. They have never nerfed Reivers.

They have never nerfed Reivers. They just made Incursors and Infiltrators, both much more useful units, to steal what little additional thunder they gave Reivers every time they have "improved" them.

 xttz wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCs4aSrATpQ

Twisted Dice have a Youtube video about point changes scheduled for when the Chapter Approved NDA lifts tomorrow morning. The title implies good things for Orks.

Don't get my hopes up, I'm trying very hard to not be disappointed

From that video:

Beastboss on Squigosaur 175->160
Makari 55->50
Boyz 9->8
grots 5->4
Beast Snagga Boyz 11->10
Nobs 18->17
Tankbustas 17->16
Squigbuggies 110->95
Kill Rig 210->190

 Eldarsif wrote:
From that video:

Beastboss on Squigosaur 175->160
Makari 55->50
Boyz 9->8
grots 5->4
Beast Snagga Boyz 11->10
Nobs 18->17
Tankbustas 17->16
Squigbuggies 110->95
Kill Rig 210->190

Well, better than expected I guess? Not sure it will be enough though, at least the undid the nerfs for the rather cool goff archetype and made the squig buggy not flaming garbage.

Edit: You missed burnas and kommadoz also going down 1 point each
Edit2: Also Lootas - essentially all ork infantry went down by 1 ppm.

https://www.goonhammer.com/chapter-approved-war-zone-nephilim-the-goonhammer-review/

Goonhammer CA review here, including all secondaries.

Orks get some positive changes here too.

Huh - removing the 5 ppm floor? Interesting.

Why is this person the only one reporting on the new points and only of a specific faction? I'm not really doubting that he's correct but more wondering where the rest of the points are.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I mean...that is a sentence there.

I don't find the black and white perspectives very useful.

I mean in practice - and vaguely relevantly - its like when you have a mediocre unit that isn't seeing successful tournament play but you like it so run it... and then GW decides it needs a points hike of 10-20%. So yes you can still run it - but now its even more suboptimal to do so. It will vary from player to player - but I think most eventually hit some sort of breaking point where something is such an inferior choice taking it starts sucking the fun out of the game.

To be fair, GW is now (usually) at least on the same page as the wider community, so their balance updates go in the right direction, but still.

Anyway hopefully we get some more points reveals in the next 24 hours.

I'm really liking the faction secondary changes, but haven't been through all of them.

https://tabletoptactics.tv/2022/06/18/war-zone-nephilim-faction-secondaries-warhammer-40000-state-of-play/

Us3Less wrote:
Why is this person the only one reporting on the new points and only of a specific faction? I'm not really doubting that he's correct but more wondering where the rest of the points are.

Maybe they were trying to shut down the shitstorm kicked up by the (now debunked) rumors I shared earlier.

Task failed successfully!

Anyways the guy apparently is a TO in the UK, so it's possible that he actually has some sources on that.

 Dysartes wrote:
Huh - removing the 5 ppm floor? Interesting.

Yea, too bad Grots are still overpriced at 4pt though.

They do nothing. They need new rules to be useful.

*looks sadly at the 40 Grots that is collecting dust on the shelf*

 Oguhmek wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Huh - removing the 5 ppm floor? Interesting.

Yea, too bad Grots are still overpriced at 4pt though.

They do nothing. They need new rules to be useful.

*looks sadly at the 40 Grots that is collecting dust on the shelf*

They should have objective secured as a troops choice but they do get some extra love in the mission changes as well… so there is some play there for them or if they have orrible gits but they are still a cheap troop and throwaway unit.