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2010/06/15 16:17:06
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
A lot has been said on the subject. Is the ball to blame for some of the stranger goals in the World Cup?
June 14 (Bloomberg) -- England goalkeeper Robert Green can’t blame the new Adidas AG soccer ball for his fumble that gave the U.S. a 1-1 tie in the team’s World Cup match, according to the supplier.
Goalkeepers expressed concerns about the new “Jabulani” model before the event started, and Green’s inability to catch the ball evened the Group C match two days ago. Yesterday, Algeria’s Faouzi Chaouchi pushed Robert Koren’s shot into his own goal, giving Slovenia a 1-0 victory. Both goalkeepers failed to block the slow shots even though they looked well positioned.
Adidas, based in Herzogenaurach, Germany, says the high- profile mistakes have nothing to do with the new ball. It was designed for the World Cup in South Africa, and the company says it’s the roundest yet. Goalkeepers say the 440-gram Jabulani, which means “to rejoice” in the Zulu language, is unsteady and unpredictable in the air.
“It’s rubbish,” England backup goalkeeper David James said in a June 12 interview in Rustenburg. “It’s just not a very good football. But everyone’s gotta play with the same ball and those who can manipulate it the best have an advantage.”
Adidas, which is sponsoring the world’s most-watched sporting event, said the players have had enough time to get used to the ball, which was released at the beginning of the year. The ball fits the criteria laid down by soccer’s governing body, FIFA, Adidas spokesman Erik van Leeuwen said yesterday.
“People have to adapt themselves to it,” Van Leeuwen said in a telephone interview from Johannesburg. “It’s nothing to do with the Jabulani.”
Tactics
Adidas has been making the World Cup ball since Mexico hosted the event in 1970. Jabulani is the first ball for the tournament to be molded of eight “thermally bonded 3D panels, creating a perfect sphere, replacing previous models with flat panels, according to FIFA’s website. The ball has an aerodynamic profile enhancing control and stabilizing flight, it said.
Bayer AG, the inventor of Aspirin, supplied adhesives and coating for Jabulani, the company said.
Ghana will fire more shots at goal to exploit the ball’s irregular movement, coach Milovan Rajevac said after beating Serbia 1-0 in Pretoria yesterday. So far, the nine goals scored in the first eight matches are the lowest number at that stage in the tournament’s past 20 years.
“When it comes to the football, you can see how dangerous some shots can be,” Rajevac told reporters. “We’ve had several surprises and wanted to shoot at goal as much as possible because every opportunity could be a goal.”
‘Tested and Proven’
All participating countries approved the new ball in February, FIFA spokesman Nicolas Maingot told reporters at the Soccer City stadium in Johannesburg today.
“It has been tested and proven,” Maingot said. “There are no official complaints to FIFA I’m aware of.”
England’s Green would not have let the ball previously used slip, Serbia’s goalkeeper Vladimir Stojkovic said in an interview yesterday. “Green wouldn’t have made a mistake with a normal ball,” he said.
“I don’t want to make any excuses about the ball,” Green told reporters after the game. “It might have moved, I don’t know.”
Six of the 10 stadiums being used in the tournament are above 1,200 meters (3,937 feet), where the air is thinner. That may be affecting the movement of the ball, Van Leeuwen said. A ball kicked at altitude travels 5 percent faster than one kicked in Durban, which is at sea-level, he said.
Green’s mistake was “not because of the ball,” Van Leeuwen of Adidas said.
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Keepers have moaned about the tournament balls at each of the last three world cups. Its part of what they do now.
1) Get selected
2) Moan about new ball pre-tournament
3) Let in soft goal
4) Act all coy about it when the ball obviously didn't move - sap!
To be fair the outfield played have also complained (certainly the England ones were) about the ball this time, they haven't done so previously. I also heard that th Germans have been playing with this ball for quite some time and they scored 4 goals?
Personally I think it is the altitude, not so much for the ball moving but because light headedness is the only descent excuse that covers Rob Green letting in such a shandy shot!
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2010/06/15 16:58:38
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
If the ball is that big a deal FIFA wouldn't allow it (in my opinion) but I am sure altitude has something to do with it. But Green can't blame the ball, he went down for the ball, was two inches to left and the ball went through his thumb... that has nothing to do with altitude or ball physics.
Brazil plays later today... lets see what Kaka can do with this ball.
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2010/06/15 17:29:56
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
hcordes wrote:If the ball is that big a deal FIFA wouldn't allow it (in my opinion) but I am sure altitude has something to do with it. But Green can't blame the ball, he went down for the ball, was two inches to left and the ball went through his thumb... that has nothing to do with altitude or ball physics.
Brazil plays later today... lets see what Kaka can do with this ball.
They're playing against NK, I'm sure that Brazil's team is going to be fine as long as they aren't poisoned/killed before the game.
2010/06/15 17:47:58
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
they should be fine... the only team that has excelled is Germany.. and they've had the ball to practice with a lot longer than any other team. there have been a lot of upset type games, mostly draws, the only real upset(s) have been USA tie, and Japan win. Anything can happen, i will support NK, only because they are the obvious underdog.
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2010/06/15 17:49:59
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
Eugh those trumpets...If I ever see a person around my town with one I will take it off them hit them over the head then burn the damned trumpet oblivion !
Back on topic, it could be many things wrong, but Altitude is something I would put money on.
it wouldn't be soccer without the trumpets!! i really don't mind them. It bugs the crap outta my wife though... but she just hears the TV, i pay attention to the GAME, and tune out everything else.
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2010/06/15 18:01:02
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
Yeah, let's blame the BALL. It has nothing to do with the best players in the world who happen to be kicking that ball, or keepers getting nervous or positioning themselves poorly (see Mr. Green). His right arm should have been on the outside of his leg in that position. That was an amateur mistake. I haven't played soccer in 10 years and wouldn't make that mistake.
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2010/06/15 18:03:46
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
The German Bundesliga has practiced with it and played with it for a year.. and they won 4-0.
You never know..
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2010/06/15 18:49:06
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
seriously how do you watch this stuff? nothing ever freaking happens.
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2010/06/15 19:14:23
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
The english are just upset we almost beat them at there own game. I say we have a rematch. Whever scores the first goal gets to decide what to call the sport.
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2010/06/15 19:17:28
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
garret wrote:The english are just upset we almost beat them at there own game. I say we have a rematch. Whever scores the first goal gets to decide what to call the sport.
Im English, im not upset, hats off to our American cousins. On the contrary i think its a great thing that the Americans are getting better, it will make the sport more popular in the USA.
We dislike the French and the Germans too much to have any distaste for you guys.
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2010/06/15 19:18:25
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
garret wrote:The english are just upset we almost beat them at there own game. I say we have a rematch. Whever beats the hell out of the other team and wears the opposing team flag for underwear gets to decide what to call the sport.
Corrected your typo.
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2010/06/15 19:21:53
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
@Frazzled it helps (especially in USA) if you played soccer in your youth. I've noticed that amongst my friends, that those of us that played A LOT in our youth like to watch soccer more than those that didn't. Unless they are from a family or country with a soccer culture.
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2010/06/15 19:22:46
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
hcordes wrote:@Frazzled it helps (especially in USA) if you played soccer in your youth. I've noticed that amongst my friends, that those of us that played A LOT in our youth like to watch soccer more than those that didn't. Unless they are from a family or country with a soccer culture.
I did for four years thanks. Great fun to play. Boring as to watch.
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2010/06/15 19:27:26
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
seriously how do you watch this stuff? nothing ever freaking happens.
And then every now and again something really WTF does.
..see, it's a metaphor for life and the human condition condensed into less than 2 hours. There's a reason so many philosophers were goalkeepers.
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2010/06/15 19:33:37
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
seriously how do you watch this stuff? nothing ever freaking happens.
And then every now and again something really WTF does.
..see, it's a metaphor for life and the human condition condensed into less than 2 hours. There's a reason so many philosophers were goalkeepers.
Lots of free time to sit around and think about stupid ?
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2010/06/15 20:28:46
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
hcordes wrote:@Frazzled it helps (especially in USA) if you played soccer in your youth. I've noticed that amongst my friends, that those of us that played A LOT in our youth like to watch soccer more than those that didn't. Unless they are from a family or country with a soccer culture.
I did for four years thanks. Great fun to play. Boring as to watch.
touche.... but like i said this is just my experience with the folks i interact with on a more or less day to day basis.
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2010/06/16 00:06:27
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
seriously how do you watch this stuff? nothing ever freaking happens.
And then every now and again something really WTF does.
..see, it's a metaphor for life and the human condition condensed into less than 2 hours. There's a reason so many philosophers were goalkeepers.
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2010/06/16 00:13:39
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
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The Ball type is the Ball you are using. Stop. Bloody. Whinging. Amnd admit the nerves got the better of you/you're a bit gak for International Level....
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Yeah, I don't get the big deal. The German team did fine with it. They practiced a lot with it and hey, they turned out fine. Fancy that.
2010/06/16 00:19:41
Subject: Is the Adidas Jabulani ball to blame for scoring in the World Cup?
British tabloids blame Canada for lovelorn Green
Stretching the law of causation to a convenient sensationalist breaking point, British "newspapers" the Mirror and the Daily Mail broke the story of how Rob Green's infamous fumble in England's 1-1 draw with the USA on Saturday could be related to his recent-ish break up with Toronto model and granddaughter of Manhattan Project scientist Ernest Everet Minett, "bombshell" Elizabeth Minett.
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