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I play Black Templars, and I've read a bunch of different articles saying you can assault out of the front "Assault Ramp" after you have moved the Land Raider Crusader. I know normally your not allowed to do this but I'm very curious because it has the "Assault Ramp" and the LRC in Vanilla Marines further labels it as an "Assault Vehicle", I know your not supposed to use rules from another codex but this relevant, any help would be appreciated.

Actually, according to the German FAQ/Errata (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2530040_Errata_Codex-Black_Templars.pdf) our Land Raiders DO have Assault Ramps, as it specifically states that it is valid for the English codex as well as the German. I know, it's really cheesy, but if someone argues that you shouldn't play your LRC as assault vehicle, they DESERVE it IMO.

Your codex is like my dark angel codex .. the assault ramp on landraiders is still good because your dex says it is
You have always been able to use the assault ramp on all landraider variants this way but only from the frontal ASSAULT RAMP not the side doors .. the new rule " assault vehicle give you the option of assaulting from the SIDE doors as well as the frontal assault ramp

Well that answers my question hahahaha, I have no problem assaulting out of the front of the LRC just needed to know if I could even do it...I'm assuming you can do this after you move the LRC's full 12in's right?

Yep


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Dont forget on a crusader the frag assault launchers allow you to count as having frag grenades in the first turn of combat
Even termies

Moving this one over to YMDC...

Apostle Pat wrote:I play Black Templars, and I've read a bunch of different articles saying you can assault out of the front "Assault Ramp" after you have moved the Land Raider Crusader. I know normally your not allowed to do this but I'm very curious because it has the "Assault Ramp" and the LRC in Vanilla Marines further labels it as an "Assault Vehicle", I know your not supposed to use rules from another codex but this relevant, any help would be appreciated.

Black Templar are my main army and of course this comes up at both my local gaming store and tournaments. And the answer is..............


No you really can't assault because our codex is old and, at the time it was made, there were different standards for giving the "assault after moving" rule. When the codex came out you could. Now under the current edition, RAW you can not.


HOWEVER I have yet to find a tournament (or any non-mustwinatanycost players) that has really argued against me assaulting out of my LRC. Here is how I handle it:

For tournaments, ask the judge before hand. As I've said most rule in the favor that you can indeed assault but ask to be safe.

Player level: If they try to not let you..... well they're being a !@#$. If they REALLY don't let you after debating it, chances are they are a person you wont want to play much 40k with after this game anyway. (don't let the argument get heated, not worth it) Talk to the employees of the store and ask if they can do a ruling for league or tournaments and talk to your opponents for casual games.


Good luck and welcome to the Crusade brother!

TakamineG wrote:No you really can't assault because our codex is old and, at the time it was made, there were different standards for giving the "assault after moving" rule. When the codex came out you could. Now under the current edition, RAW you can not.

So, when the rules change, the codices don't stay valid? How does that work, from a RAW perspective?

MekanobSamael wrote:

TakamineG wrote:No you really can't assault because our codex is old and, at the time it was made, there were different standards for giving the "assault after moving" rule. When the codex came out you could. Now under the current edition, RAW you can not.

So, when the rules change, the codices don't stay valid? How does that work, from a RAW perspective?

The codexes do stay valid.

What has happened is whereas before GW include the "Assault Ramp" rule in the Rulebook, they now instead define it in each codex. As such, the BT Codex calls for a rule in the rulebook that no longer exists.

MekanobSamael wrote:So, when the rules change, the codices don't stay valid? How does that work, from a RAW perspective?

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the RAW for the assault ramp in the Black Templar codex doesn't work because there is no description for what a assault ramp does. The codex is perfectly valid as a whole but some rules do not work due to being removed or changed by the current edition.


And again keep in mind that while assault ramps may not work RAW, most people do allow Black Templar to assault out of their land raiders.

TakamineG wrote:

MekanobSamael wrote:So, when the rules change, the codices don't stay valid? How does that work, from a RAW perspective?

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the RAW for the assault ramp in the Black Templar codex doesn't work because there is no description for what a assault ramp does. The codex is perfectly valid as a whole but some rules do not work due to being removed or changed by the current edition.


And again keep in mind that while assault ramps may not work RAW, most people do allow Black Templar to assault out of their land raiders.

I think you would have to be pretty petty and frankly pathetic not to let them assault out of a landraider variant , the wording may be different but the intent is still the same .

@Darkangles_rule: I fully agree. You'd be hard pressed to convince players A) Black Templar are not allowed to assault out of a Land Raider and B) Black Templar losing the the ability to assault was done on purpose.

Every out of date space marine codex lost the ability to assault out of their Land Raiders when the new edition hit. And every space marine book that has been done that that power restored (SW, BA....)

But there are mean people out there who would argue that you can't assault. I've never really run into one that made a serious attempt to try and convince people that they can't assault. In real life or the internet.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Actually, according to the German FAQ/Errata (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2530040_Errata_Codex-Black_Templars.pdf) our Land Raiders DO have Assault Ramps, as it specifically states that it is valid for the English codex as well as the German. I know, it's really cheesy, but if someone argues that you shouldn't play your LRC as assault vehicle, they DESERVE it IMO.

Did anyone read this guys post? I have translated the text:

Literal Translation:

GERMAN / ENGLISH CODEX:
Page 42, and Land Raider Land Raider Crusader. In both tanks the following special rule is to be matched:
Forward tank:
Models, leaving the vehicle by any of its access hatches may, in turn, the attack still disembarking.

Epicwargamer wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Actually, according to the German FAQ/Errata (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2530040_Errata_Codex-Black_Templars.pdf) our Land Raiders DO have Assault Ramps, as it specifically states that it is valid for the English codex as well as the German. I know, it's really cheesy, but if someone argues that you shouldn't play your LRC as assault vehicle, they DESERVE it IMO.

Did anyone read this guys post? I have translated the text:

Literal Translation:

GERMAN / ENGLISH CODEX:
Page 42, and Land Raider Land Raider Crusader. In both tanks the following special rule is to be matched:
Forward tank:
Models, leaving the vehicle by any of its access hatches may, in turn, the attack still disembarking.

My posts really referred to people being a jackass.

And I could so someone complaining about a German FAQ no matter what it translates to in English. The type of person that would give issue to assaulting out of the LR would also argue against a FAQ as well. I mean lets face it, they are arguing about letting something assault out of a Land Raider.

TakamineG wrote:

Epicwargamer wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Actually, according to the German FAQ/Errata (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2530040_Errata_Codex-Black_Templars.pdf) our Land Raiders DO have Assault Ramps, as it specifically states that it is valid for the English codex as well as the German. I know, it's really cheesy, but if someone argues that you shouldn't play your LRC as assault vehicle, they DESERVE it IMO.

Did anyone read this guys post? I have translated the text:

Literal Translation:

GERMAN / ENGLISH CODEX:
Page 42, and Land Raider Land Raider Crusader. In both tanks the following special rule is to be matched:
Forward tank:
Models, leaving the vehicle by any of its access hatches may, in turn, the attack still disembarking.

My posts really referred to people being a jackass.

And I could so someone complaining about a German FAQ no matter what it translates to in English. The type of person that would give issue to assaulting out of the LR would also argue against a FAQ as well. I mean lets face it, they are arguing about letting something assault out of a Land Raider.

QFT

I agree 100%

TakamineG wrote:And I could so someone complaining about a German FAQ no matter what it translates to in English. The type of person that would give issue to assaulting out of the LR would also argue against a FAQ as well. I mean lets face it, they are arguing about letting something assault out of a Land Raider.

I'm not the sort of player who would object to BT players assaulting out of their Landraiders, but I would complain about someone presenting an FAQ in a language I can't read... not because of what it says, but simply because I have no way of knowing what it says. If you're playing in Germany, the German FAQ is valid. If you're playing in a country where German is not a commonly-spoken and understood language, it's really not. Rules are only any use when both players have the ability to understand them.

insaniak wrote:I'm not the sort of player who would object to BT players assaulting out of their Landraiders, but I would complain about someone presenting an FAQ in a language I can't read... not because of what it says, but simply because I have no way of knowing what it says. If you're playing in Germany, the German FAQ is valid. If you're playing in a country where German is not a commonly-spoken and understood language, it's really not. Rules are only any use when both players have the ability to understand them.

No I fully agree with that. I never said to use the German FAQ to help argue for assaulting. I had the same "I can't even read that language so how do I know it doesn't also say Black Templar win the game on a roll of a 2+?" idea floating around in the back of my head. Never typed it out though.

Chalk that up to poor wording on my part I suppose. To be clear my arguments against a player attempting to not let me assault would be that Black Templar lost the ability RAW due to edition changes and not codex changes and that every Land Raider in history lets you assault. And he were to still argue it... well I'd give it to him.

And never play him again in any form of casual setting.

notice this actually allows you the option of shooting your opponent with somfin bitey like the assault cannon (der) to make 'em nice and mushy for your hammers.

that's the whole tactical idea of the rusher tanks. (LR and other semi-fast moving tanks with big transport kudo's.)