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Hey! I have been wondering about this: I know someone (well, im an aquantice) at the local wargaming store (that hosts 40K battles every Wednesday). As an Ork player new to the game, this man showed me his Ork army list to help me out. Here's the problem: his army has 4 battlewagons, and hence, is illegal; it's not an Apocaylpse army. Should I say something? And if I should, how could I say it in the most polite way?

Forgive me if I'm wrong but can't nobs take battlewagons as transport? I don't own the codex but I think that there are a few units that can use it as a dedicated transport.

You might not want to jump to the conclusion that 4 battlewagons in one list is illegal.
In fact, an ork list can legally take up to 8 battlewagons.
Is he taking any nobz? If he is, he probably is taking a Battlewagon as a dedicated transport for them.

Yeah, nobz and meganobz can take the battlewagon as a dedicated transport. So, his army might not be illegal.

Mmmmmm... 8 Battlewagons *drools*

Yep, and you can have up to five nobz units (two troops, three elites). So five battlewagons as dedicated transports, three as heavy support.

How about

"I'm sorry but I had always thought you couldn't field "xyz", would you mind showing me the entry as I thought it read differently and could do with knowing for future reference"


As long as they aren't arsey about it I don't have an issue with people questioning my lists as I want them to have piece of mind that I'm not cheating accidently or with intent so will show them the appropriate section.

A polite way to ask would be "That's an interesting list. Could you show me the options you selected in the Codex"?

You may want to make sure you understand any given army as well as needed before assuming others are cheating.

I always find the best way to bring up rules issues is something aong the line of:

"I always thought that..."

"Corrct me if I;m wrong, but..."

oh... i feel so stupid... yeah, one IS a transport for a unit of nobz... im SO sorry... thank you all though before i made myself look like an idiot and/or jerk

It's cool man, happens to the best of us.

That or ask questions. Usually if your opponent explains something that's illegal they'll figure it out for themselves.

For example, in this case "Do all of those battlewagons count as Heavy support choices?" In which case he either answers "no" and you learn something about the ork codex (like now), or he says "yes" and, if he still doesnt' get it, you ask something like "is there a way that orks can take more than 3 HS choices?"

I get this kind of stuff used on me a lot, especially when I make thoughtless errors "Does that squad get to automatically pass orders?" or when my opponent does "Wait, how many shots does a storm bolter put out?"

I askded some kid with ultra marines i was going to play , dont you need 2 units of troops , he told me to OFF MY ULTRA MARINES ARE EPIC BECUASE THERE SPHEES MARINES , prick.

blood reaper wrote:I askded some kid with ultra marines i was going to play , dont you need 2 units of troops , he told me to OFF MY ULTRA MARINES ARE EPIC BECUASE THERE SPHEES MARINES , prick.

Unfortunately these people exist. I know a couple.

I avoid people like this like the plague.

I am always more than happy to explain my army to anyone who wants to know how it's put together, first of all because I want them to be reassured that I'll never try and pull something on them and second because if I'm making a careless error, I want to know about it so I can correct it.

Short answer, "Your army is illegal."

Rather than saying it in such an accusatory manner, it's better to say it in an inquisitive manner.

Melissia wrote:Rather than saying it in such an accusatory manner, it's better to say it in an inquisitive manner.

"Your army is illegal?"

Good one.

blood reaper wrote:I askded some kid with ultra marines i was going to play , dont you need 2 units of troops , he told me to OFF MY ULTRA MARINES ARE EPIC BECUASE THERE SPHEES MARINES , prick.

That's not how I remember it. Last Sunday, You told the kid (who you weren't playing) that you need 2 troops choices to play (since he only fielded one squad of marines, some termies, a rhino, a pred and an HQ [even though he had another squad of Astares in his box]). The kid just walked off in a huff and my friends and I agreed with you that you were right to tell him that he had an illegal army. Don't make up things to look cool. You may have been right but you don't need to make the kid (who was clearly in the wrong and wouldn't admit it) look like some vulgar little twerp.

SaintHazard wrote:

Melissia wrote:Rather than saying it in such an accusatory manner, it's better to say it in an inquisitive manner.

"Your army is illegal?"

Heh. That, or "is this army legal?"

Saying flat out "Your army is illegal" is liable to start an argument about it. Especially if you're wrong.

Ahh, but I Melissia am never wrong
(Joking obviously)

The " hey that is really cool, how did you do it?" also works relatively well.

How about "Yo army is wack fo shizzle"

"Yo bro. This sh** aint' legit, yo. It's whack like sh**"

I'd be sorely tempted to slap you if you said it like that.

I wouldn't, but damn I would be tempted.

Melissia wrote:I'd be sorely tempted to slap you if you said it like that.

I wouldn't, but damn I would be tempted.

No jury on Earth would convict ou Melissia

Melissia wrote:I'd be sorely tempted to slap you if you said it like that.

I wouldn't, but damn I would be tempted.

That's as polite as you'd hear it 'round these parts

I would just politely point out to him that you can't take four heavy support choices, show him the force organization chart and then tel him that if he does want multiple 'wagons, tell him to consider apocalypse.

Gathering Storm wrote:

blood reaper wrote:I askded some kid with ultra marines i was going to play , dont you need 2 units of troops , he told me to OFF MY ULTRA MARINES ARE EPIC BECUASE THERE SPHEES MARINES , prick.

That's not how I remember it. Last Sunday, You told the kid (who you weren't playing) that you need 2 troops choices to play (since he only fielded one squad of marines, some termies, a rhino, a pred and an HQ [even though he had another squad of Astares in his box]). The kid just walked off in a huff and my friends and I agreed with you that you were right to tell him that he had an illegal army. Don't make up things to look cool. You may have been right but you don't need to make the kid (who was clearly in the wrong and wouldn't admit it) look like some vulgar little twerp.

Yeah, the second I saw that I was ready to flat-out call BS.

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I don't think he was doing to look cool though. Far from it.

If he had another squad of astartes in his box, you can easily just ask him, "hey, want to do a larger point match, so you can use both those astartes squads, and I can use some more stuff?"

Or, don't associate with him, there are a few people at my LGS I just plain old don't associate with.

Though slandering strangers with lies over the internet won't resolve any issues.

@Boss 'eadbreaka

That avatar is very amusing.

blood reaper wrote:I askded some kid with ultra marines i was going to play , dont you need 2 units of troops , he told me to OFF MY ULTRA MARINES ARE EPIC BECUASE THERE SPHEES MARINES , prick.

Some guy tried to pull that off. I let him.
He was all "They are SPESS MARINES! So they auto get a 2+/2+ save."
He walked away when mass lasguns killed them all.