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2014/03/04 16:52:22
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
agnosto wrote: Looks like it includes the super-heavy walker rules so you don't need to run out and buy another rulebook just to use the one model in this rulebook.
Where is that said?
It will be interesting if it does include the Super-Heavy rules. That really makes it a "normal" 40k model rather than an escalation model and further blurs the lines between what most of us consider standard 40k and escalation 40k.
It does also do the stupid thing GW often do, which is place the same or similar special rules in multiple places, making rule updates all the more convoluted.
Its in the release video; they're thumbing through the codex and you can see the rules. 45 second mark.
I'll be interested in having confirmation of this... if it is true, it may convince me to actually buy the codex.
But if I need the codex AND escalation to be able to use them, I'll stick to my white dwarf rules and wait for the updated 5th ed book in case it has the super heavy walker rules.
2014/03/04 17:02:50
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
I'll be interested in having confirmation of this... if it is true, it may convince me to actually buy the codex.
But if I need the codex AND escalation to be able to use them, I'll stick to my white dwarf rules and wait for the updated 5th ed book in case it has the super heavy walker rules.
45 seconds in the video, it clearly shows the top of the page and says something like "this section deals with the rules you'll need to field Imperial Knights.." the camera scrolls down and you can see the rules for super-heavy walker, the explosion table, etc.
I'm not buying any of this crap but thought it pertinent to point out.
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Novellas aren't real books, we need to stop pretending they are and paying book price for them.
Totally agreed, sad to see GW's price hikes on these novellas. I picked up Island of Blood/Space Hulk/Assault on Black Reach back in the day for $5CAD. great reads for the pice. Then came Dark Vengence at $22! I got it in ebook format for $9CAD. now this IK book is $25CAD hb / $13CAD ebook. I think I'll pass as well.
I quite enjoyed these Assembly/painting videos from GW. While it is something you can readily get from Dakka it's quite nice to see the kit in HD and with GW talking about it.
I'm going to beat the dead horse and just say, it's a nice model but I can get better, bigger and for cheaper.
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If that just isn’t enough Knights for you, you can even field a full army of these behemoths, led by a mighty Knight Seneschal as your Warlord. The codex also includes a full explanation of how to use Super Heavy Walkers and D weapons in your games of Warhammer 40,00
The Codex isn’t the only new title available from iBooks this week. Altar of War: Imperial Knights contains six new missions to add more variety to your Warhammer 40,000 games. The missions are split into two groups: Three for armies that include a Detachment of Knights, and three for armies where Knights form the Primary Detachment.
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Damn - was just going to post this myself!
No Escalation or Apoc book needed (I have both already so it doesn't affect me but it might help others decide to 'go for it').
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Well it is refreshing to see a price difference between the eBook and physical codex. I am not super familiar with the eBooks so I do not know if this is a new trend.
$32 is still a lot if you're looking mainly for the rules, but then again I guess that the WDW rules will suffice for most, and if you're looking for a lot of fluff then it seems like this book might not be a bad deal.
EDIT: also good to see that it doesn't require escalation, that is certainly helpful!
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I'll get the ebook & just note down the rules I need & take along the escalation book for superheavy walker & D weapon rules.
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2014/03/04 20:36:02
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
krazynadechukr wrote: Since no one was getting photo of 15mm DF model next to IK model, I had to use a poor copy paste program...
This is slightly incorrect. The height of the Leviathan is to the top of the torso, WITHOUT a base. The height of the Knight INCLUDES the base. I'd adjust for that.
That's maybe a 1/4" difference? Not enough to matter, though. What is clear is this: a 15mm DF Leviathan is too small to be used as a Knight straight out of the box. With conversion, it could be made taller, as well as having some embellishments on it's base to raise it another inch or so. THEN, I'm sure it will be an acceptable stand-in. But it is obvious that the Leviathan is too small, so why is this such a hot topic?
As shown, with the base, the Knight is 6.25 inches to the top of the torso (not the exhaust). Without the base, 6 inches. I'm sure there is an easy way to add some bulk to the Leviathan. Taller base, add to the bottom of the feet, choose a more upright pose, add a little in the middle, etc.
Accolade wrote:Well it is refreshing to see a price difference between the eBook and physical codex. I am not super familiar with the eBooks so I do not know if this is a new trend.
$32 is still a lot if you're looking mainly for the rules, but then again I guess that the WDW rules will suffice for most, and if you're looking for a lot of fluff then it seems like this book might not be a bad deal.
EDIT: also good to see that it doesn't require escalation, that is certainly helpful!
bubber wrote:I'll get the ebook & just note down the rules I need & take along the escalation book for superheavy walker & D weapon rules.
eBooks have always been cheaper. Or at least the ones I've looked at. However, the formatting is terrible on them. They rearrange the text down from the standard book size (around A4 size) down to ereader size, this messes up all page and image formatting so that the ebook version is around 3 or 4 times as many pages and the images are often a hindrance because they mess up the formatting.
I bought the ebook version of the Tyranid codex and the formatting annoyed me so much I ended up downloading a program to convert it to a word document and wasted most of a day converting it to double column format PDF so it was more readable. Removing the entire "picture" section because it was too much of a mess for me to waste my time fixing.
If the ebook versions were simply the regular codex in PDF or ebook format, I'd be down with that. But as it is, I don't see myself buying another ebook from GW.
Granted, if you want the rules cheaply and don't intend to actually read the book, the ebook is fine.
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I could be stepping in a big steaming pile here, but looking at this pic of the official FoC for Imperial Knights, I can't really see where Chaos is not allowed to field them. They are not part of the allied slot, but have a slot of their own, thereby circumventing the allied matrix.
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They've got their own one, so I imagine it's explained in there.
But I don't see how the allied matrix has anything to do with it, being that the IK is a separate optional slot from the allied detachment.
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I think someone posted the allies matrix earlier in the thread but cannot find it and its not on the original post updated yet. Can someone repost it please? I'm curious what kind of odd looking combination of armies you can fit these into?
Slagmar wrote: I think someone posted the allies matrix earlier in the thread but cannot find it and its not on the original post updated yet. Can someone repost it please? I'm curious what kind of odd looking combination of armies you can fit these into?
Someone posted AN allies matrix, but it has nothing to do with the book, hence it isn't in the OP.
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sub-zero wrote: I could be stepping in a big steaming pile here, but looking at this pic of the official FoC for Imperial Knights, I can't really see where Chaos is not allowed to field them. They are not part of the allied slot, but have a slot of their own, thereby circumventing the allied matrix.
I assume there'll be another paragraph that describes just what a Knight detachment might be and tell you who can and can't take it and if there's any caveats for taking it, the same way the BRB has a paragraph that describes the allies detachment.
So, I got my two Knights today and I was going over the instructions. Man, there is no way to build two guns out of one kit. Too many parts needed between the two. Talk about a giant "feth you". :(
Is it to the same levels of the Manticore / Deathstrike kit?
I've got to say, I can't work out whether GW are actively doing that to mess with us and make us buy multiples, or if it's simply more practical concerns eg "we have budgeted for 3 sprues and by Sigmars Hammer, it shall fit in 3 sprues."
I mean, the Space Marine Stalker / Hunter kit was pretty much the perfect way to do it. I genuinely can't fault GW at all for that kits makeup.
Breotan wrote: So, I got my two Knights today and I was going over the instructions. Man, there is no way to build two guns out of one kit. Too many parts needed between the two. Talk about a giant "feth you". :(
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The only missing part is going to be the portion between the "elbow" and "wrist" which shouldn't be that hard to replicate and would let you do an easy swap at the rotary elbow.. The one that I got to play with seemed like you should be able to magnetize the wrist joint though which would be a harder magnet job but shouldn't require scratch building parts.
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Compel wrote: Is it to the same levels of the Manticore / Deathstrike kit?
I've got to say, I can't work out whether GW are actively doing that to mess with us and make us buy multiples, or if it's simply more practical concerns eg "we have budgeted for 3 sprues and by Sigmars Hammer, it shall fit in 3 sprues."
I mean, the Space Marine Stalker / Hunter kit was pretty much the perfect way to do it. I genuinely can't fault GW at all for that kits makeup.
They are penny pinching like no tomorrow, you know they designed so even magnetizing it is impossible.
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Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
. I think you're right, thanks for that.
