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I was just curious about all the different races in the 40k galaxy. The lesser known critters who might get mentioned in a White Dwarf or mentioned in passing within a major codex but don't actually have a codex of their own.

I already know about some of the current ones that have a major role in some codices, like the I.G. space Half-lings and space ogres...errr....Ogryn. I also know about the Kroot, Vespid, and etc. I remember Squats and Chaos Squats of course.

I think Eldar, back in the day, had some sort of shadow creatures that acted as "familiars" to Shadow Seers or other Seers. I could be wrong and just thinking of some fan based material I once saw. Which is why I am posting this question, to try and separate official fluff and official rules from fan based stuff.

I just recently saw some one on here talking about Hrud so I was able to look them up on Lexicanum. But I can't look other races up unless I know what I am looking for, or at the very least, a name. Unless some one knows of a link to Lexicanum that has a grand over view or even some other website.

Thanks in advance fo any feed back.

This may be useful.

mal wrote:This may be useful.

Thank you, that does help. A lot actually. Some of the stuff is missing and with out description, but it gets me going in the right direction.

Any one else know of any other websites or reference material? Or anything really.

Just trying one more time to get more info before it is considered "necromancy" to ask again.

Maybe I asked the wrong question. How about Rogue Trader? What different kind of races are in there that would make for good modeling/sculpting?

I just need names and maybe a picture or two if you got them. I just learned about Ambulls from looking at this guys blog:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/301577.page

very impressive work

Original posters are the only ones allowed to threadomancy. Its acceptable because its better than you creating a whole new thread that retreads something that you've already discussed.

Are you speaking of the Rogue Trader RPG or the original 40k edition?

I'd look into the Dark Heresy book: Creature Anathema, if you want random monsters from the 40k universe.

The Jokaero was in both Rogue Trader books/games. The Jokaero: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Jokaero
The were portrayed as gorilla or orangutan like... these are some rare limited release 40k models from back in the day of some different aliens: http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Misc_40K_-_Limited_Release
The jokaero is pictured there, though there were other pictures of them holding crude weapons.

Here is a picture from the 3rd(?) edition rule book with a Death Fiend and Hrud: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/91/Other_dangerous_aliens.jpg

Old ones: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Old_Ones
were basically Slaan in space.

This was a squid like race mentioned in the Xeneology 40k art book: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thyrrus

Tharellian dog soliders: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tarellian

Dark Heresy supplements "Creatures Anathema", "Disciples of the Dark Gods", and "Radical's Handbook" should help you with fluff for various races.

Mythos: Actually, your own link says that the Slann served the Old Ones.

1st edition (RT) had a fair few different races in it but one that's disappeared now are the old style Tyranid Zoats. They're kind of like centaurs but with one arm replaced by a big organic gun of some kind so i reckon they'd be pretty good to model. You should definitely try and get a copy of RT if you haven't already. Some good replies to this post already in regards to the RPG RT and pictures from 3rd edition rulebook so not much more i can add really.

Here's some Zoats actually.

[/url]http://www.solegends.com/citrt/spacezoats.htm[url]

Melissia wrote:Mythos: Actually, your own link says that the Slann served the Old Ones.

Well I know better... since I have the original books and my link paraphrases the fact that they are the same.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Old_Ones wrote:The Old Ones are synonymous with first edition WH40K's Old Slann

The only tiniest little difference that could be asserted is that "Slann" were a more primal group of the old slann. Then again what I was saying was a reference to Slann from warhammer fantasy, drawing a direct parallel between the 40k and Fantasy counterparts.

Synonymous != same thing... merely similar.

Furthermore, 40k and WFB are no longer linked together in-fluff.

Except when the Slann and Old Ones were in the game the two games were linked. Just because the link doesn't exist today doesn't mean past instances of commingling.
are exclude from the discussion.

I was careful about my phrasing, I said I was "drawing direct parallels" not intending to link the rules or fluff so much as the models, since the OP is asking for inspiration for modeling.

To put it another way the Slann and Old Ones look just like the Slann from Warhammer Fantasy.

Sure it is excluded. Like claiming "Eldar are just High Elves in space" or something to that effect. They've advanced beyond that. Current fluff barely even mentions the Old Ones anymore, and never describes them-- because they are supposed to be a mysterious, forgotten race. Not something we have a lot of information on. Hell, that link you provided claimed Eldar and Humans could breed, but that's not true in current fluff either (Eldar have a far different genetic setup than humans, making them incompatible even if the act of mating was somehow possible between the two species).

We don't know for sure that the two are significantly genetically different, after all, it's possible they were both engineered by the Old Ones to the same rough template.
Current fluff mentions the Old Ones as much as anything else, really. Necron codex is full of stuff. I reckon it's left ambiguous on purpose.

Yes we do. Xenology, I believe, stated the Eldar have a quad-helix (perhaps quint?) genetic formation, meaning they are completely and utterly alien to us.

So that's another part of that link that's out of date.

Ah right, hadn't read xenology. Cheers.

This was in the 3rd Ed. rulebook. Similar references appear through the current rulebook, mentioning the Reek and the Dracolith and so on.

Hrud look much different nowadays.

True enough melissia.

The older ones look more like munda ratskins.

Well, the Xenology picture of a living Hrud does mention that it is an artists impression of what they looked like without the robe, and the other picture of a living Hrud is just a shadow that moves... So they don't look that much different, not compared to Kroot. My 54mm Hrud looks like a skinny, hunched robe, thats about it...

Actually this is what they look like without the robe or shadows:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/3/3b/Hrud.jpg

Exodites, see: http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php?topic=58237.0

Melissia wrote:Current fluff barely even mentions the Old Ones anymore, and never describes them-- because they are supposed to be a mysterious, forgotten race. Not something we have a lot of information on. Hell, that link you provided claimed Eldar and Humans could breed, but that's not true in current fluff either (Eldar have a far different genetic setup than humans, making them incompatible even if the act of mating was somehow possible between the two species).

Well post wasn't about fluff on humans and eldar. The original poster just wanted some ideas for a personal project that you revolve around a more minor race. What you're saying is because a piece of fluff is old and fallen into disuse, someone isn't allowed to have fun with it?

Space Slann models: http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Space_Slann

Did I say noone was allowed to use it? No? Then don't claim I did. All I said is that it did not fit with current fluff. Rainbow Warriors don't either, but people still use them.

What you said was like taking a dump on a picnic, yes someone could still enjoy it, but its awful hard to.

No. To quote:

Current fluff barely even mentions the Old Ones anymore, and never describes them-- because they are supposed to be a mysterious, forgotten race. Not something we have a lot of information on.

So, lets count the assertions:

1: Current fluff barely mentions/describes Old Ones.
(which is true)
2: Old Ones are supposed to be a mysterious, forgotten race.
(again, true-- indeed, beyond a few Inquisitorial servants and Eldar scholars, they are likely completely forgotten)
3: We are not supposed to have much information on Old Ones. (which goes along with number two, yes? Keeps them more mysterious this way)

Notice something in there is missing: nowhere did I say anything close to what you claim I said.

In another thread you tried to make the rude claim that I should "learn to read". In this situation, I believe the proper response is "follow your own advice".

Actually, the proper advice to any and all is "Avoid personal insults, at all times."

So, that's the official public warning.

aka_mythos wrote:

melissa wrote: By that definition, mythos, an unarmed diplomat can be an elite shock trooper.

I had said:

aka_mythos wrote: Heres how I would define: Shock troops are elite, specially trained, conventional warfare units, whose purpose as a front line combatant is to identify and exploit tactical weak points in enemy formations and battle positions and exploit them through mobility, speed, and insertional methods in conjunction with and through the support of more conventional forces.

Diplomats are not conventional warfare unit and do not do any of the things I described. Learn to read.

That's the context of what Melissa is talking about.

Thanks to every body who has already given feed back. Thank you very much.

Sorry to necro-thread-mancy this up again, but I just had another question or two I wanted to ask.

Out of all those different non-codexed races, how many of them actually have rules for play and stats?
And out of those, how many might work with the new 5th ed rules?