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Weakest models so for the LoV, not awful but as with all of them will wait to see them in the plastic. I can imagine they they would be a welcome change when painting a whole army to have some more organic shapes to work on.

Yeah, not a big fan of the aesthetic, feels like baby Ogryn, Space Dorfs edition.

I hate slayers in fantasy, but I love these. I'm delighted they didn't decide to give them all stupid hair half as tall as they are.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I think painting the skin in the same tone as the rest of the clothing would maybe help sell the augmented angle a bit better?

Now try it with black skin and silver veins, and when your opponent fails to wound it be sure to yell out "Nanomachines Son! They harden in response to physical trauma!"

The more I think about them, they less sense they make to me.

These aren't guys who just happened to be in the middle of mining when someone attacked and they grabbed their tools as it was all they had nearby.

They're a group of Kin as a military unit attached to an Oathband going into combat, that regardless of if their adaptions make them more suitable for melee combat (which is fine) have decided they don't even want a holstered Bolt Revolver, who when all the other Kin we've seen are wearing armour over a sealed void-hardened suit as their standard equipment all the time, have decided they don't want any of the armour or the void suit except the trousers and shoes.....but seemingly not for ideological reasons, cultural reasons, or even physiological reasons (the full Hearthkin suit and armour would fit them as long as they add ports for the tubes) but because...they just do? They're purposefully going into battle putting themselves at a disadvantage.

They fit in with what's meant to be a practical well-prepared military force of the Leagues ....?

Yeah, my Armstrong joke would actually make more sense; they'd be augmented with nanites that would make stronger and tougher. It would tie in with the whole "high-tech" and self-augmentation theme the Votann are supposed to have going for them.

wait until we the the armour save it may be as good as the suits (subdermal plating, bla, bla, adaptions)

and just because they're available as a unit doesn't mean they would be specifically taken along on a military only operation (even if the unit ends up being 'good' and lots of competitive players put them in all their LOV armies)

but attack a LOV mining operation (or somewhere the miners go for their R&R) and out they come to hit things with their awkward power axes (i really don't like the look of those) and concussion fists

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
wait until we the the armour save it may be as good as the suits (subdermal plating, bla, bla, adaptions)

and just because they're available as a unit doesn't mean they would be specifically taken along on a military only operation (even if the unit ends up being 'good' and lots of competitive players put them in all their LOV armies)

but attack a LOV mining operation (or somewhere the miners go for their R&R) and out they come to hit things with their awkward power axes (i really don't like the look of those) and concussion fists

The article mentions they're part of the forces of common Kinhosts though, alongside hearthkin, Einhyr and the ATV. They aren't just random miners who got caught up in the fighting.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The more I think about them, they less sense they make to me.

These aren't guys who just happened to be in the middle of mining when someone attacked and they grabbed their tools as it was all they had nearby.

They're a group of Kin as a military unit attached to an Oathband going into combat, that regardless of if their adaptions make them more suitable for melee combat (which is fine) have decided they don't even want a holstered Bolt Revolver, who when all the other Kin we've seen are wearing armour over a sealed void-hardened suit as their standard equipment all the time, have decided they don't want any of the armour or the void suit except the trousers and shoes.....but seemingly not for ideological reasons, cultural reasons, or even physiological reasons (the full Hearthkin suit and armour would fit them as long as they add ports for the tubes) but because...they just do? They're purposefully going into battle putting themselves at a disadvantage.

They fit in with what's meant to be a practical well-prepared military force of the Leagues ....?

Yeah it does look weird

Maybe they think having no armor makes them more flexible and quicker without that extra weight, and sufficient survivability is provided by their cybernetic implants or gene-engineering?

Iracundus wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The more I think about them, they less sense they make to me.

These aren't guys who just happened to be in the middle of mining when someone attacked and they grabbed their tools as it was all they had nearby.

They're a group of Kin as a military unit attached to an Oathband going into combat, that regardless of if their adaptions make them more suitable for melee combat (which is fine) have decided they don't even want a holstered Bolt Revolver, who when all the other Kin we've seen are wearing armour over a sealed void-hardened suit as their standard equipment all the time, have decided they don't want any of the armour or the void suit except the trousers and shoes.....but seemingly not for ideological reasons, cultural reasons, or even physiological reasons (the full Hearthkin suit and armour would fit them as long as they add ports for the tubes) but because...they just do? They're purposefully going into battle putting themselves at a disadvantage.

They fit in with what's meant to be a practical well-prepared military force of the Leagues ....?

Yeah it does look weird

Maybe they think having no armor makes them more flexible and quicker without that extra weight, and sufficient survivability is provided by their cybernetic implants or gene-engineering?

I'm sure the explanation will be something like that (one article a while back did mention cloneskeins to help survive in space) but it's still odd to imagine them not only going into combat in a way that looks unprepared, but that they're mining in space and in the depths of the ocean not just without protective equipment, but also shirtless.

 D6Damager wrote:
Also, who mines with an axe?

He got a very good point, especially when we saw illustration of Kin mining with plasma drill thingy and saw what kind of stuff the imperium (which is supposedly way, WAY less efficient and technologically advanced than the LoV) use as mining tool with the genestealer cult.

To be fair, miners and other such physical workers are known for working borderline half-naked if it's particularly warm at the moment.

Presumably "guilds" are going to be (eventually, even if they aren't in this wave) be fleshed out to be a bit like Aspect Warrior shrines. So every major Kindred will have their "Cthonian Mining Guild" and therefore access to its complement of Cthonian Beserks (if thats how you want to build your army). Maybe the Bikes work this way with a Pioneer guild or something.

But at the moment, as its been revealed, it feels incredibly niche. And so kind of a weird intrusion on the system.

The equivalent would be if you have Marines, and they come in Chapters and had some founding Legion way back. But you can also take a unit of "Dave's Snipers". Who are just sort of there, independent of the whole chapter system, because every Marine Chapter is a big fan of Dave and is likely to have some on hand.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I think painting the skin in the same tone as the rest of the clothing would maybe help sell the augmented angle a bit better?

Once again people delivering clear improvement on GW design.
I don't mind the idea of cyborg berserker. it's pretty cool, but go full on with it. Give them a proper suite (which is also kinda reminiscing of the tight body suites the Imperial Assassins use) and make them look like highlight specialized high tech guys rather than... angry shirtless midgets.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
I swear that whoever posed these models has never in their life touched a sledgehammer or an axe.

There's a LOT of things the people in charge of GW poses recently haven't touched, and that include an actual anatomy book, any artbook about standard poses uses in arts and grass.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Awful models, appallingly posed. These are not only a conceptual disaster, they're the worst kind of box-ticking lazy worldbuilding Games Workshop is world-class at.

Lazy box-ticking is the right way to put it.
It's pretty funny to see them keep tying to make them "Not dwarf in space" but then just pull gak like that that goes against everything they are building just to make a nod to warhammer fantasy Dwarfs.
Which is it GW? Who are you trying to please?

Maybe they're flesh based Votanites who can see the writing on the wall that the AIs are eventually going to end up replacing all of them with machines,

they can't really vocalise this, it's just not something they're culturally able to conceptualise, but deep down in their subconcious the idea is there

so they drink, they do stims, they replace bits with bionics and they 'mine' smashing away at solid rock with power axes, concussion gauntlets and other objects that aren't really suitable but make they feel better, more Kyn-like as it were,

and the rest of society lets them get on with it, after all they're fellow Kyn, and if it makes them happy all the better, and the real mining can be done by more of the Metal-Kyn

and when there's real fighting to be done the berserkers are happy to fight (squishy living things are more satisfying to smash than rock), and after all they know in their hearts they aren't really doing anything useful normally after all so dying in battle at least gives them a real purpose

pgmason wrote:
I hate slayers in fantasy, but I love these. I'm delighted they didn't decide to give them all stupid hair half as tall as they are.

I’m glad they didn’t go Mohawks, that would have been very lazy. Easy enough to add them if someone wanted to make them look more like fantasy slayers.

 Olthannon wrote:
I mean nowhere in that article does it say that they are elite.

Welp, I don't think the fact that they only showed 5 of them is random, that's the box size, and that's a Elite Unite Size.
Now let's hope they won't end up being the new Flayed ones, a 5-20 units that you probably always should run at max size but is somehow only sold by pack of 5 that cost around the price of a standard 10/20 model unit.
Having basic minies cost more in $ than points is just insulting and I'll never gak enough on GW for it.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Now try it with black skin and silver veins, and when your opponent fails to wound it be sure to yell out "Nanomachines Son! They harden in response to physical trauma!"

I was more thinking of painting them black and painting their cable bright green with and give them a luchador mask. Get your unit of Bane now!

In a society where AI with actual robot bodies work happily alongside the fleshy ones, why would you need cybernetically-enhanced miners for dangerous areas? Just send the robots to the places hostile to biological life.

I feel like they would have been better as an actual League version of Slayers.

Kin who venture around the galaxy as mercenaries eager to bring glory to their league/guild and to honour their ancestors by fighting whatever monsterious things they can in melee.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
In a society where AI with actual robot bodies work happily alongside the fleshy ones, why would you need cybernetically-enhanced miners for dangerous areas? Just send the robots to the places hostile to biological life.

I imagine the AI that runs their entire society values fleshy Kin lives much less than their Iron counterpart's.

Literally hot trash.

From a planet that was destroyed 10k years ago.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Now try it with black skin and silver veins, and when your opponent fails to wound it be sure to yell out "Nanomachines Son! They harden in response to physical trauma!"

I was more thinking of painting them black and painting their cable bright green with and give them a luchador mask. Get your unit of Bane now!

That's already Bullgryns though.

Haha, fair enough. Tbf, as many have pointed out, they do really look like small Bullgryns.

 (HN) wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
I mean nowhere in that article does it say that they are elite.

Welp, I don't think the fact that they only showed 5 of them is random, that's the box size, and that's a Elite Unite Size.
Now let's hope they won't end up being the new Flayed ones, a 5-20 units that you probably always should run at max size but is somehow only sold by pack of 5 that cost around the price of a standard 10/20 model unit.
Having basic minies cost more in $ than points is just insulting and I'll never gak enough on GW for it.
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Elite in the sense of the previous discussion on this thread about whether unarmoured soldiers used to mine in dangerous areas are superior to the basic soldiers in the Leagues armies based on this super fun argument about the realism of 40k, not their location in the codex. WELP.

Arco-flagellants - box of 10, in the Elite section. Heretics given stimulants and cybernetic surgery to make them extra strong killing machines as penance for heresy.

Eldar rangers, box of 5, troops. Some people would think snipers might be Elite? Curious eh?

Wracks - box of 5, troops.

Wyches - box of 10, troops. Used to be Elites in older editions. WOW SO CRAZY.

Tau Stealth suits - only 3 but wow they're troops.

Khorne Bezerkers - pretty elite but uh oh box of 10.

Custodes are a very elite army but they still differentiate between troops and elites and most of those are boxes of 5.








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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Maybe they're flesh based Votanites who can see the writing on the wall that the AIs are eventually going to end up replacing all of them with machines,

they can't really vocalise this, it's just not something they're culturally able to conceptualise, but deep down in their subconcious the idea is there

so they drink, they do stims, they replace bits with bionics and they 'mine' smashing away at solid rock with power axes, concussion gauntlets and other objects that aren't really suitable but make they feel better, more Kyn-like as it were,

and the rest of society lets them get on with it, after all they're fellow Kyn, and if it makes them happy all the better, and the real mining can be done by more of the Metal-Kyn

and when there's real fighting to be done the berserkers are happy to fight (squishy living things are more satisfying to smash than rock), and after all they know in their hearts they aren't really doing anything useful normally after all so dying in battle at least gives them a real purpose

I hope that is the lore behind them because that is a really cool idea.

Although, I'd just like to point out again that hammers and axes are used a lot in mining.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Literally hot trash.

From a planet that was destroyed 10k years ago.

Bloody hell.

Tell me you’re just here to whine and haven’t read anything pertaining to your chosen whine without telling me you’re just here to whine and haven’t read anything pertaining to your chosen whine.

Maybe Squat mines are like the steel mill from the Simpsons. They work hard and they play hard.
Berserks are just what happens once that claxon sounds.

I will get them for my Adeptus Mechanicus as those guys.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Literally hot trash.

From a planet that was destroyed 10k years ago.

Bloody hell.

Tell me you’re just here to whine and haven’t read anything pertaining to your chosen whine without telling me you’re just here to whine and haven’t read anything pertaining to your chosen whine.

Please grace me with your intelligence beyond what GW has written in their articles.

Convince me that highly augmented Cthonian miners survived and thrived over 10k years of work in highly dangerous environs and wars with other Guilds.

Even if you do that, they still look like hot garbage.

Seeing as you can prove anything with facts? Do I win £5?

Said facts, with which I’ll prove you’re just here to whine and thus claim my hypothetical £5 wrote: The Cthonian Mining Guilds are particularly powerful, embodying the belligerent acquisitiveness of the Kin. Fearless in the cause of locating, securing, and harvesting resources for their race, the Cthonians think nothing of braving environments so extreme that even other Kin would baulk at their hazards. You can expect to hear more about this particular Guild – and its much-modified members – soon enough.

There’s more from the source article here for you to roundly ignore too.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/28/lore-of-the-votann-who-are-the-guilds/

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
wait until we the the armour save it may be as good as the suits (subdermal plating, bla, bla, adaptions)

and just because they're available as a unit doesn't mean they would be specifically taken along on a military only operation (even if the unit ends up being 'good' and lots of competitive players put them in all their LOV armies)

but attack a LOV mining operation (or somewhere the miners go for their R&R) and out they come to hit things with their awkward power axes (i really don't like the look of those) and concussion fists

You know what protects you better than subdermal plating and adaptations? Subdermal plating and adaptions and wearing your issued armour.

If these augmentations are cheap enough to stick on people who are going to charge forwards half naked, with whatever melee weapons they happened to have to hand, then they are cheap enough to issue to your line troops in addition to their issued equipment. If these augmentations are too expensive to issue to your line troops, they are too expensive to waste on people refusing to wear more armour to protect those augmentations.

It'd be like issuing the Imperial Guard with power armour and having the space marines charge in naked, relying on the expensive genetic modification to protect them.