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The New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission denied the proposed site of the mosque "landmark" status, which would have stopped the construction of said mosque.

I smiled when I read that. Then I read the next tab over,learned that I'm only scheduled for two days at Gencon, and smiled even wider.

I don't really see how building a Mosque is "offending the victims of 9/11".

If it had been a radical sect of Christianity that had carried out 9/11, we wouldn't be protesting a Catholic/Protestant/Mormon Church being built there, we would just call the bombers coo-coo for cocoa puffs, say that not all Christians are like that, and be happy with our delicious, delicious double standards.

Also, pretty sure this counts as bigotry.

Good. I don't think the stereotyping of Muslims should continue in the USA, or anywhere else in the world. The negative light should be focusing on the extremists who carried out the attack, not the religion as a whole.

On the other hand...

But what will the Conservatives and Republicans accuse of threatening the traditional values of American? Certainly not the evil oil company!

Well, no, because the oil companies are emulating the traditional values of America.

Masterful trolling by the gang up in NYC there, this is going to cause so much butthurt over the next few years.

Thank goodness my city came through.

Pretty disgusting that anyone would even consider building a Mosque near the 9/11 site. The West needs to learn not to be the minorities bitch and just tell the non compatible aspects to GTFO (four capital letters, plated in gold. Make the girls sweat even more....)

I have no problem with the building of a Mosque near the 9/11 site. You cannot blame 99.9% of a religon for what a radical element does. Enough said.

Pipboy101 wrote:I have no problem with the building of a Mosque near the 9/11 site. You cannot blame 99.9% of a religon for what a radical element does. Enough said.

So passes the time of logic to western spinelessness.

Colossal Donkey wrote:

Pipboy101 wrote:I have no problem with the building of a Mosque near the 9/11 site. You cannot blame 99.9% of a religon for what a radical element does. Enough said.

So passes the time of logic to western spinelessness.

You're confusing spinelessness with acceptance.

On the other hand, your bigotry betrays you.

Colossal Donkey wrote:So passes the time of logic to western spinelessness.

I defended my nation so the base concepts of freedom and equality could be enjoyed by all within our boarders. There are many examples of hate and bigotry that has robbed people of this basic right but by allowing the Mosque to be built shows that your point of view (which you have a right too) is in the minority. Also, if you want to comment on how the US handles this then come over her and become a voting citizen and let your vote speak for itself.

You're absolutely right CD!! America should've just declared war on muslims, including any Americans that happened to be muslims!!
/sarcasm off

I would actually be interested to know how many muslims were killed in the 9/11 attacks, statistically there must have been quite a few that worked in the towers/were on the flights.

On another note, lets be honest; there would be people trying to stop mosques from being built even if 9/11 never happened, some people are like that...

I'm moving to France.

I'm not clear how close "near" is?

I would agree, it's not appropriate to build a mosque on the rubble of the WTC, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

I can't believe you would accept something that essentially contradicts western beliefs so readily at the site of one the greatest religious atrocities of our time

You may accept them at the moment, just wait until the boot is on the other foot. Bigotry will be the Wests salvation. We too readily accept incompatible countries/beliefs hoping to change them over time but nothing changes. The acceptance is nothing but negative reinforcement. Rewarding the act before it is complete is entirely futile.

Are you American? If not stfu and stop telling us how to run our country.

I do find it amusing that people bitch about them building a new mosque when the Muslim congregation has been meeting at that location for months. Apparently it's cool they're worshiping there but as soon as they try to renovate it's some kind of islamo-facist conspiracy.

Aren't they building the mosque like two blocks away from the WTC site anyway? I think they're just calling it the "Ground Zero Mosque" to grab headlines.

Personally I think it's awesome and am glad it got approved. We should be promoting and encouraging moderate Islam, instead of grouping regular Muslims with extremists like Al Qaeda. The fact that anyone thought it would be "offending to the victims of 9/11" is pretty sad. There were Muslims who died in the attacks too, and I'm not talking about the hijackers.

CD - I agree with you to the extent that cultures entering a new country should try to integrate with it, rather than the country changing its beliefs to accomodate, but you seem to be taking it a bit too far.
History has shown that ultimately bigotry meets fierce resistance, and has caused more than one would be empire to crumble. In fact, throughout history I believe the most successful empires have been those that accepted new cultures and ideas over time.

avantgarde wrote:Are you American? If not stfu and stop telling us how to run our country.

I do find it amusing that people bitch about them building a new mosque when the Muslim congregation has been meeting at that location for months. Apparently it's cool they're worshiping there but as soon as they try to renovate it's some kind of islamo-facist conspiracy.

Wow an American telling somebody from another country how to do something or think. Who would have thought. Why can't you accept other peoples thoughts, name me a country with Islam as it's main religion that treats its people as well as the West.

Yeah it may be out of order to say all Americans are like this. However if other nations are not able to critique your nation then what the feth is the point. We may as well bend over and receive what we are told.

It was a religious atrocity? really? really and truely?

I can't believe you so readily think in a way that condradicts all concepts of humanity, democracy and rational thinking that is central to the western values you seem to wish to defend.

Bigotry will never solve anything.
Hang up the brown shirt and chill.

avantgarde wrote:Are you American? If not stfu and stop telling us how to run our country.

I do find it amusing that people bitch about them building a new mosque when the Muslim congregation has been meeting at that location for months. Apparently it's cool they're worshiping there but as soon as they try to renovate it's some kind of islamo-facist conspiracy.

Or we'll break out the farmers with pitchforks agian....

I see no problem with it being 2 blocks away. Now if it was built on the actual site.....

but it's not. Non issue.

Colossal Donkey wrote:

Wow an American telling somebody from another country how to do something or think. Who would have thought. Why can't you accept other peoples thoughts, name me a country with Islam as it's main religion that treats its people as well as the West.

Don't get me wrong, the group that planned and attacked the US on 9/11 were a group of criminals that should be hunted down and punished for what they did. But to I blame and wish to rob other innocent people of their human rights no. I lost two close friends of mine that I served with when the Pentagon was attacked and I am still not running around 9 years later screaming that the sky is falling because a Mosque being built. No. But your POV is your own POV and you have the right to voice it. However, do I comment on here on how your government is run or how it treats its citizens no. So before you go on your anti-west, anti-America soap box take a long deep look at yourself and see who is being the true biggot.

Colossal Donkey wrote:I can't believe you would accept something that essentially contradicts western beliefs so readily at the site of one the greatest religious atrocities of our time

You may accept them at the moment, just wait until the boot is on the other foot. Bigotry will be the Wests salvation. We too readily accept incompatible countries/beliefs hoping to change them over time but nothing changes. The acceptance is nothing but negative reinforcement. Rewarding the act before it is complete is entirely futile.

Why hallo there, Hitler called

Islam as it's main religion that treats its people as well as the West.

Virtually all of the Emirates?

Granted, they bring over Pakistanis and treat them like dirt, but the average Arab living in the Emirates has a NICE life. They don't pay taxes, on the contrary, they collect a salary just for living.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Colossal Donkey wrote:I can't believe you would accept something that essentially contradicts western beliefs so readily at the site of one the greatest religious atrocities of our time

You may accept them at the moment, just wait until the boot is on the other foot. Bigotry will be the Wests salvation. We too readily accept incompatible countries/beliefs hoping to change them over time but nothing changes. The acceptance is nothing but negative reinforcement. Rewarding the act before it is complete is entirely futile.

Why hallo there, Hitler called

Aw man, now you dun an gon godwinned the thread :(

CD
really Avante Garde has a point.
You are complaining about a mosque being built in New York and not on the site of the London Bus Bombing

Then make sarcastic comments about Americans telling people what to do. Of pots and kettles with sooty arses.

There are plenty of contented Muslims in Muislim countries.
There are plenty of instances historically of religious and racial tolerance in Islamic countries taht was better than the West.

Pipboy101 wrote:I have no problem with the building of a Mosque near the 9/11 site. You cannot blame 99.9% of a religon for what a radical element does. Enough said.

Sure you can!

Welkome to Amerika!

Something missing here is the views of the Imam who is establishing this Mosque. He is a big supporter of Hamas and thinks that the US should be more Sharia compliant. I have no problem with Islam (in the words of Samuel Adams: "I am no bigot, I will pray with any man"), just a problem with the chronic under-reporting of this Cleric's views.

Stormrider wrote:Something missing here is the views of the Imam who is establishing this Mosque. He is a big supporter of Hamas and thinks that the US should be more Sharia compliant. I have no problem with Islam (in the words of Samuel Adams: "I am no bigot, I will pray with any man"), just a problem with the chronic under-reporting of this Cleric's views.

That is interesting, I'm a little surprised the media hasnt jumped all over that to be honest.

del'Vhar wrote:

Stormrider wrote:Something missing here is the views of the Imam who is establishing this Mosque. He is a big supporter of Hamas and thinks that the US should be more Sharia compliant. I have no problem with Islam (in the words of Samuel Adams: "I am no bigot, I will pray with any man"), just a problem with the chronic under-reporting of this Cleric's views.

That is interesting, I'm a little surprised the media hasnt jumped all over that to be honest.

Wait? You mean our Media?

They have no interest in any real reporting anymore, it's all sensationalist, take everything out of context, who can get to the flaming wreckage first. Not real objective journalism.