Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

do IG regiments with commissars get commisars from their own planet or are the cadians the only ones that receive that honor?

General Ian wrote:do IG regiments with commissars get commisars from their own planet or are the cadians the only ones that receive that honor?

1. It's Commissar, missing an s.

2. I think you'd bet a better response in the "Background" section.

3. Commissar's are taken from every planet and are given special training. Once their training is completed and they have reached the rank of Full Commissar they are then issued orders to a regiment to aid in keep discipline and moral.

General Ian wrote:do IG regiments with commissars get commisars from their own planet or are the cadians the only ones that receive that honor?

cadians are the only ones as far as I know, but Cadian regiments some times get the big FU when they are assigned off-worlders but those tend to get killed early on

locked in a closet before drop

Commissars aren't from regular imperial forces.

The Imperium takes in people from all over the place and turns them into the Ministorum - the Imperium's general staff. These people are responsible for everything from intelligence to logistics. It is basically the central nervous system of the imperial guard.

As such, they are also responsible for making sure that the differing disperate forces all fight together as one whole, which, along with standardizing equipment and the like, also means that the Ministorum fiercely imprints the cult of the emperor on every guard unit (so that they fight for the imperium, not just their own home planet like a big pile of disorganized militia).

The commissariat fills two roles. The first is to command absolute obedience to the central authority of the Imperium, and to look for political factioning (aka heresy) and stamp it out. The other is to serve as liason between actual ground units and staff officers elsewhere in the ministorum.

As for their battlefield role, the price of dissident ideas is the dissolution of the army, so they are given incredible power over those deemed unworthy of the Imperium. As the whole point of them is to keep forces together, they are also authorized to execute officers and NCOs who let their troops scatter and flee.

ont forget that commissars/storm troopers are selected as orphans of Imperial officals

Yes, Commissars are chosen from the ranks of the school for orphaned children of Imperial officials. (The Schola Progenium.) It is entirely possible for a commissar to be assigned to a unit from the same homeworld as him, although that probably wouldn't factor into the decision of where to assign him/her, and would be entirely coincidental. (Not to mention rare...)

I could see it being done intentionally only in extreme circumstances, since it would seem to run in opposition to the general purpose behind commissars. (In my opinion...)

Some PDFs(Planetary Defense Forces) Maintain(and train) their own Local Commissariat; There is sometimes friction between them, and the minisortium Commissariat when a non-PDF Commissar is assigned to oversee the PDF, and often the PDF Commissar gets executed for "overstepping his bounds".

This friction is usually cause by jurisdictional disputes where the Local Commissar thinks he should be the one handling the "issue" at hand and the Minisortium Commissar sees it differently.

The reason Cadians generally get Cadian-born Commissars, and that non-cadian-born commissars have short lifespans in a cadian regiment is three-fold;

1) Cadian Regiments are also the Cadian PDF

2) Cadia has, on it, a Schola Progenium, so it's local Commissars are in fact Minisortium Commissars

3) non-Cadian Commissars do not get as well defended by Cadian troops in battle, to the point that a non-cadian Commissar will be ignored when he is in the line of fire(often they are "accidentally" shot in the back by Cadian soldiers)

Commissars are trained at the Schola Progenium, rather than in a specific planet's culture. Still, I would think they are often assigned to units which are appropriate for their background and personality, IIRC. Such as assigning a deeply religious Commissar to a Tallarn group.

Depending on what Fluff you read Commisars are either selected within the schola and trained acordingly or they are promoted from the ranks of the Stormtroopers after serving time as a storm trooper officer.

Cadian regiments are almost always attatched to cadian born commisars as it is usualy convenient at a regiments inception or for the reasons Kel has stated. While most commisars are asigned where they will be most effective or where the culture clash will not be too great, factional infighting within the Munitorium etc can lead to unsuitable postings.

depending on the sector or sub-sector it may however be a pollicy to not attach commisars to regiments from their homeworld.

Lord Commander Phyrus wrote:or they are promoted from the ranks of the Stormtroopers after serving time as a storm trooper officer.

Cite your source? I have never heard anything about this.

Ailaros wrote:Commissars aren't from regular imperial forces.

The Imperium takes in people from all over the place and turns them into the Ministorum - the Imperium's general staff. These people are responsible for everything from intelligence to logistics. It is basically the central nervous system of the imperial guard.

As such, they are also responsible for making sure that the differing disperate forces all fight together as one whole, which, along with standardizing equipment and the like, also means that the Ministorum fiercely imprints the cult of the emperor on every guard unit (so that they fight for the imperium, not just their own home planet like a big pile of disorganized militia).

The commissariat fills two roles. The first is to command absolute obedience to the central authority of the Imperium, and to look for political factioning (aka heresy) and stamp it out. The other is to serve as liason between actual ground units and staff officers elsewhere in the ministorum.

As for their battlefield role, the price of dissident ideas is the dissolution of the army, so they are given incredible power over those deemed unworthy of the Imperium. As the whole point of them is to keep forces together, they are also authorized to execute officers and NCOs who let their troops scatter and flee.

I think you're getting confused between the Departmento Munitorum (the general staff of the guard) and the Adeptus Ministorum (the church)

The Imperium takes in lots of 'staff' who run the whole galaxy - this is the Administratum. Part of this is the Departmento Munitorum - the 'general staff' of the fighting forces of the Imperium - not the Ministorum (the Ministorum is the church).

The Imperial Guard is the name given to the forces raised by the Departmento Munitorum.

The Ministorum, though, runs the Schola Progenium - a network of orphanages, where the children are raised from birth to be dedicated Imperial servants. Lots of Imperial branches recruit from the children of the Schola Progenium - including the Inquisition, the Arbites, the Adepta Sororitas, the Assassinorum, and the Departmento Munitorum, which recruits Stormtroopers and Commissars.

Neither are part of the regimental command structure - Commissars are part of the 'general staff' and work for the Departmento Munitorum directly. Stormtroopers are organised into their own regiments which are not based upon world of origin, and assigned to combat zones by the Munitorum. ('Stormtroopers' which are raised by individual worlds as part of the Imperial Guard are called Grenadiers - they are not from the Schola, but just well trained and equipped Guardsmen - the most famous examples being Cadian Kasrkin)

Everything else is correct, but while they, of course, watch out for heresy in the ranks and encourage praise in the Emperor, and are probably quite pious after being raised in a Ministorum orphanage, they are not actually 'preachers' - that's the job of the Ministorum!


EDITED as per Melissia's comment below!!

Actually the Adeptus Ministorum runs the Schola Progenium (source: Codex Imperialis, White Dwarf 115).

Regardless, Commissars are not actually a part of the Adeptus Ministorum.

ArbitorIan wrote:I think you're getting confused between the Departmento Munitorum (the general staff of the guard) and the Adeptus Ministorum (the church)

Um, yeah. This. My command of Latin is poor.

Melissia wrote:

Lord Commander Phyrus wrote:or they are promoted from the ranks of the Stormtroopers after serving time as a storm trooper officer.

Cite your source? I have never heard anything about this.

I cant' corroborate this either, but I've definitely heard this before. You can either take a bureaucrat and make him fierce on the battlefield, or you can take your hardened battlefield veteran and teach him how to shuffle paper. Either way, the end result is the same.

Melissia wrote: Still, I would think they are often assigned to units which are appropriate for their background and personality, IIRC. Such as assigning a deeply religious Commissar to a Tallarn group.

Right, or it would be convenient to send someone to a regiment from their home planet as they already speak the language. Dialectual and cultural training would be such a bother.

"Redemption Corps" by Rob Sanders. in this the commisar that gets attatched to the main protagonists unit (the Redemption corps) is promoted from a diferent storm trooper unit, the 123rd Pontifical Strikes IRC.

Melissia wrote:

Lord Commander Phyrus wrote:or they are promoted from the ranks of the Stormtroopers after serving time as a storm trooper officer.

Cite your source? I have never heard anything about this.

Codex:Imperial Guard 2nd edition.

Lord Commander Phyrus wrote:"Redemption Corps" by Rob Sanders. in this the commisar that gets attatched to the main protagonists unit (the Redemption corps) is promoted from a diferent storm trooper unit, the 123rd Pontifical Strikes IRC.

This is because the SOB need someone on hand who they can manipulate and threr just happened to be a stormtrooper regiment neerby with an officer no one would miss

sorry Ian, you cant just 'become' a commisar you have to have the training for it which you would only get in the schola progenium, and if you read the book you'll find out that Koulick Kreig had undertaken extra training in this area.... If we want to be picky about it his rank is probably something like "Commisar Leutenant" or some such, just as Gaunt is Colonel-Commissar.

Firstly, commissars are trained at a schola progenium then they become a junior commissar once trained. Then a Commissar can take them under their wing and they become a Cadet Commissar. Once their mentor deems them worthy, they are granted full commissar status. A commissar can be an officer as well in rare cases or become a lord commissar...
They are joined to a regiment by the commissiriat and can be moved from their regiment at a moments notice (read His Last Command)

Dude, dont you remember from Cadian Blood? The Commisar wasn't even from Cadia

IvanTih wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Lord Commander Phyrus wrote:or they are promoted from the ranks of the Stormtroopers after serving time as a storm trooper officer.

Cite your source? I have never heard anything about this.

Codex:Imperial Guard 2nd edition.

I believe that at least the first 3rd Ed codex had something in it to that effect, and the Imperial Guardsman's Uplifting Primer (Damocles Gulf Edition) mentions that Commissars have combat experience as Storm Troopers. Although, the way I understood it, a Commissar went into a Storm Trooper regiment as a Commissar in training to get combat experience, rather than Strom Troopers being plucked from their units and being turned into commisars.

BTW, where is all of this talk about Cadians fragging their commissars coming from? I thought it was the Catachans that were famous for doing that...

It is Catachans who were famous for it. Cadians don't do that...

I have an idea, search it up on Lexicanum

Melissia wrote:It is Catachans who were famous for it. Cadians don't do that...

generally speaking, if you aren't from cadia. you are a piece of gak in the eyes of Cadians. They don't even use non-cadian equipment. Its entirely plausible for a non cadian born commissar to receive a lasbolt to the back on 'accident'. You think they would let catachans get their own commissars too :|

Melissia wrote:It is Catachans who were famous for it. Cadians don't do that...

In Death World, catachans hate the commissar that had joined them they tried to kill him a time or two.cause he was just dead weight.

and i think the commissariat are a political branch of The high lords of Terra raised from the schoalem and and all commissar are trained on Terra and they wear the colors of Terra the black,gold and red this came from reading in the IG codex and several books. and ive read that guard regiments receive commissars from a different planet then where the regiment was drawn because it would cause a lot morale and hierarchy problems if the dude from down the street you grew up with shot your friends in the head did i rant

If i had a Commisar in my platoon i'd definently waste him before he tried killing me or my men, no matter where he was from.

And just an OTQ, Are there any women Commisars?

Riddick40k wrote:If i had a Commisar in my platoon i'd definently waste him before he tried killing me or my men, no matter where he was from.

And just an OTQ, Are there any women Commisars?

Yes they are female commissars in Gaunts Ghost the commissar general is a woman her name is balshin. an odd name might i add

I think the reason for commissars being born on a different world is so that they can maintain a professional distance from those they command and may even have to kill one day, the outsider sees most of the game and all that.

Wow, she must really like to boss men around.. BDSM!

Riddick40k wrote:Wow, she must really like to boss men around.. BDSM!

she does like to boss men around