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This might become a heated debate, but I want it to be simple and pure.

What do you prefer to use? Shootas or Sluggas.

I go with Sluggas, although I acknowledge Shootas can be quite nice. So I field them.

However although some people go with a mix. Some people go with only Sluggas or Shootas.

Let's take a look at them closely.

Ork Boyz are cheap and nifty and they stand at the following...
WS: 4 BS: 2 S: 3 T: 4 W: 1 I: 2 A: 2 Ld: 7 Sv: 6+

Things to note on them: Slugga and Choppa count as 2 close combat weapons meaning they get 2 extra attacks. As compared to a Shoota who will only get 3 attacks altogether.

Weapons: Shoota Range 18" Str 4 AP 6 Assault 2 Slugga Range 12" Str 4 AP 6 Pistol

So clearly the Shoota has more range than the Slugga, now if I'm correct you want your Boyz to go in for the charge. Although what makes the difference in what Boy to go with is probably with the army list and game type. Shootas will probably excel in objective games, as where Sluggas will excel in annihilation type games.

I personally like attacking a lot, however I like shooting if I can, although I need to be closer as compared to Shootas who can gain and extra 6" in range.

How does one fix this? Well maybe a well rounded mix of Shootas and Sluggas.

My Verdict: Neutral for they both do well. However I will prefer the Slugga as a main troop choice. i.e. My Trukks would be nothing but Sluggas.

So I ask Dakka and the fellow Ork players... Shootas or Sluggas?

I prefer shootas for foot sloggers, and sluggas for truck or battlewagon boyz.

Generally, I like shootas better. But I will field them both depending on what I am facing and if I what works pointwise if I can also afford the transport. If I can afford the battlewagon, I'll take the choppers.

I think it's more a general outlook. I see Shootas doing far better in objectives.

However I really like beating down people with Choppas not guns.

i field all slugga just because of the extra close kombi attack and there bs2 they cant do much with gunz

plaugerat wrote:i field all slugga just because of the extra close kombi attack and there bs2 they cant do much with gunz

Preference of melee too, eh?

Take a 2:1 ratio of sluggas to shootas. That way you still have both. As someone who regularly plays against orks I really consider sluggas more of a threat; especially to my guardsman. I've had entire platoons destroyed in cc with sluggas. I find that with bs2 shootas dont hit very much and if they keep their distance I can usually take them out before they do much damage. The same goes for my sm.

capt. tyco wrote:Take a 2:1 ratio of sluggas to shootas. That way you still have both. As someone who regularly plays against orks I really consider sluggas more of a threat; especially to my guardsman. I've had entire platoons destroyed in cc with sluggas. I find that with bs2 shootas dont hit very much and if they keep their distance I can usually take them out before they do much damage. The same goes for my sm.

That's what I do.

My general purpose Ork list has a variety of transports with Slugga squads inside, backed up by a full 30-man mob of Shootas with 3 Big ones in it. If I spread them out and/or conga line I can threaten a surprising amount of the board with just one Troop choice, and it's still under 200pts. Sure, with BS2 they may not hit that often, but you can still throw some wounds on enemy infantry, and your opponent is usually so distracted by the massive mob in the center of the board that he won't be focusing all of his fire on the transports, which is what I want. An ordinary Bolter can wreck a Trukk, but if those Bolters are attacking my Shoota Boyz, that's still an advantage for me.

So, in summary, both troop types have distinct uses, and there's no need to pick one or the other exclusively.

I prefer to use all of the orks with sluggaz for the extra close combat attack cause if i send in a bunch of bikers to preoccupy all of the units my enemy has i can slowly but steadily move my boyz up and by the time my boyz are close ive lost some of the bikers and can start a waaagh! and tear up the rest of the units cause with 30 boyz you can probably get 20 in close combat based on the enemy unit size and if you initiate the assault that will be 4 close combat attacks each for a total of 80 attacks if only 20 boyz are in base contact or within 2" of one that is. The odds will be in your favor.

I use shoota boyz on foot or in a battlewagon, and hard slugga boyz in a trukk. They've all worked out really well for me, but I haven't tried a lot of other configurations.

Im a fan of shootas in general...my boyz just wanna beat stuff down...they dont care how...my trukks carry sluggas but i have found that an assault 2 weapon on 20 guys will generate a decent number of hits usually and they still function well in CC...my trukks stay as sluggas cause you need minimum 15 to 20 shootas to really do anything with them...12 shootas aint gonna do much...

Both types are awesome i just prefer shootas overall!

The_Savior wrote:
Things to note on them: Slugga and Choppa count as 2 close combat weapons meaning they get 2 extra attacks. As compared to a Shoota who will only get 3 attacks altogether.

Just a note: having two CCWs is only 1 extra attack. Though I assume you meant this as how many attacks they get on the charge (4 vs 3). But it is important to keep the difference in mind, because when receiving the charge, slugga boyz get 3 attacks compared to shootas only getting 2.

Kolath wrote:

The_Savior wrote:
Things to note on them: Slugga and Choppa count as 2 close combat weapons meaning they get 2 extra attacks. As compared to a Shoota who will only get 3 attacks altogether.

Just a note: having two CCWs is only 1 extra attack. Though I assume you meant this as how many attacks they get on the charge (4 vs 3). But it is important to keep the difference in mind, because when receiving the charge, slugga boyz get 3 attacks compared to shootas only getting 2.

Thanks, I was tired. I even felt when I wrote it I messed up on something.

But yes Sluggas trump over Shootas on the charge.

Like a lot of the lads here, I generally go slugga/angry goddamned blade for my mounted Boyz. I keep my shoota equipped Boyz in one of those horridly oversized mobs, usually 26 or so, with a couple of big shootas in for good measure. Throw that much dakka down range and even Terminators will have to think twice.

It all depends on how you want to use your boys.
If they are a power-klaw delivery system, the go sluggas. If you want to hold an objective, push something off an objective, or run around doing drive-byes, then go with shootas.

I like mixing. It makes me feel comfortable.

Mix. Whether it actually plays that way or not, I feel like it gives more flexibility. Unless one option obviously outperforms the other in most situations (I still consider the debate a toss-up/too circumstantial), it just doesn't make sense not to give yourself options. Plus, it gives a bit more variety for the aesthetic/fluffy/"oh I have to paint all this" side of things.

oadie wrote:Mix. Whether it actually plays that way or not, I feel like it gives more flexibility. Unless one option obviously outperforms the other in most situations (I still consider the debate a toss-up/too circumstantial), it just doesn't make sense not to give yourself options. Plus, it gives a bit more variety for the aesthetic/fluffy/"oh I have to paint all this" side of things.

Shootas will prove more worthy in objective games, you'll be surprised how far 18" shots will go.

notabot187 wrote:I prefer shootas for foot sloggers, and sluggas for truck or battlewagon boyz.

+1

Steelmage99 wrote:

notabot187 wrote:I prefer shootas for foot sloggers, and sluggas for truck or battlewagon boyz.

+1

So in retrospect, running get range, if riding a trukk bring da pain?

Trukk boyz get sluggas but foot/battlewagon boyz get shootas.

Shootas in a wagon have the option of not getting out and still being able to do damage but will still get 60 attacks on a assault.

Turkk boyz are better off with sluggas so you get a little more punch out of them in CC.

Foot boyz should have shootas. Any smart player will just sit back letting you creep across the field shooting at the the whole time. Shoota boyz mobs get 9 shots at 36 inch, 52 at 18 inch, 1 at 12 so shootas can extend your reach.

The only problem about sluggas is that if the orks don't get to charge, they are only s3, meaning that they get 1 s4 and 3 s3 attacks, as opposed to 2 s4 and 2 s3 attacks.

My new list is all shoota boyz.

JSK-Fox wrote:The only problem about sluggas is that if the orks don't get to charge, they are only s3, meaning that they get 1 s4 and 3 s3 attacks, as opposed to 2 s4 and 2 s3 attacks.

Err what?

They'd get 4 S4 attacks on the charge. Not 2 S4 and 2 S3.

I prefer shootas on boyz but dont mind sluggas.

very fun to use 20 shootas in a battlewagon

I am with the shootas unless they are trukk boyz, in a small unit you need all the attacks you can get in melee IMO.

My favorite unit is 18-19 boyz with shootas , a Nob with PK, Pole, and Big Shoota riding in a BattleWagon. 36-38 str 4 shots and 3 str 5 shots will make people change there mind about Ork Shooting. My favorite was playing in a match against Eldar. He set up his Avatar right out front 24" on turn one it march him forward, I rolled on 6" and dropped him right there. I wasn't 100% sure but I swear he wiped a tear out of his eye LOL

When I do my Orks, it will be Sluggas on foot for me. I will have enough dakka coming from my bikes and buggies to keep the heat off them long enough for them to close with the enemy. That's the theory anyway...

Massive Slugga Charge!! but definently from TRukks, i wouldn't waste a battlewagon on normal Boyz

my brother usually has his mobs running cross the field with slugga choppa setup. and trucks loaded with shootas zooming around for harassment. It's actuall quite effective.