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So I was just randomly thinking about potential scenarios in 40k the other day and I thought of this.

Would it be entirely possible that quite a few loyalits chapters running around are alpha legion succesors? How hard would it have been after the codex astartes was introduced for the legion to take 1000 of their marines, repaint their armor, give themselves a new name, and just hang around for a few centuries before going out in the open and showing themselves ?
This would also explain the lack of encounters with the legion with imperial forces... there just really are not that many renegade alpha legionnaires out there.

That would be cool in my opinion, but what do you think ?

Its possible. But I think the Alpha Legion, like the rest of the Traitor Legions, just want to feth around on daemon worlds instead of fighting the Imperium like they should.

I always thought the alpha legion never went to the eye of terror

Alpha Legion are strange ones by any astartes standard (Chaos or no). Ussually they only operate in groups of 2-3 or even alone, each building up cults or inciting violence and disrupting normaly calm/iron-fisted Imperial planets.

Contrary to what Shadowbrand said, the Alpha Legion do not seem to owe allegiance to any particular chaos god or any at all, so they wouldn't be fecking around on deamon worlds. I don't know what sort of loyalist sucessors there would be. I can imagine Alpha legion operatives sneaking in their particular strains instead of pure founding chapters, but there would have to be some sort of purpose behind it. Perhaps the Alpha legion watch and observe (mutations send chapter into panic?), then reveal to the fledgling their true ancestry in the hopes of swaying them over.

Swaying them over?

IMO, the alphas lost course in their war of secrets beneath secrets.
Maybe they don't know themselves which side they are on?

Oh that's the thing, they know exactly which side they are on. Their side.

Shadowbrand wrote:Its possible. But I think the Alpha Legion, like the rest of the Traitor Legions, just want to feth around on daemon worlds instead of fighting the Imperium like they should.

Actually Alpha legion, Word Bearers, World Eaters, Iron Warriors, and Black Legion take most part in fighting the Imperium.

Oh, No pardon what I said, The Alpha Legion has the least to do with Chaos, even less then the Night Lords who acknowledge it but know what it does to people who follow it.

And theres many theories that the Alpha Legion is on a huge under cover mission. Not with Chaos.

Also Iron Warrior's are amazing.

Typo fixed. And the Iron Warriors own your soul EF.

Shadowbrand wrote:Oh, No pardon what I said, The Alpha Legion has the least to do with Chaos, even less then the Night Lords who acknowledge it but know its there.

Wha-? The Night Lords Acknowledge Chaos...but know it's there?

And theres many theories that the Alpha Legion is on a huge under cover mission. Not with Chaos.

All of which are vicious lies and propoganda likely from the traitors themselves. Seriously though, Alpha Legion can't be pro-Imperium with all the gak they pull.

Also Iron Warrior's are amazing.

Meh.

why could they not be pro-imperium? deep cover, by definition i'd say, requires you do some things that go against your true allegiance to further your cause.
(also read Legion, it is wonderful )

We don't know what the hell the Legion is actually doing...and that's just the way they like it...

@Lord Inquisitor.
This is true, but then again I watch way too many spy movies. It's kind of like working with the enemy to know the enemy, to use this relationship against the enemy.

Lord_Inquisitor wrote:why could they not be pro-imperium? deep cover, by definition i'd say, requires you do some things that go against your true allegiance to further your cause.
(also read Legion, it is wonderful )

They've up-ended entire sectors. Maybe not Chaos, but definitely not pro-Imperium. They are the quintessential renegade.

Well, pro-humanity i think is how they were implied to be in Legion. They know that if humanity/the Emperor wins against Horus, chaos eventually consumes all of humanity. So they tried to help Horus, who would eventually defeat chaos.
...or something >_>
I kinda forget, and I think I messed something up in there...

Lord_Inquisitor wrote:Well, pro-humanity i think is how they were implied to be in Legion. They know that if humanity/the Emperor wins against Horus, chaos eventually consumes all of humanity. So they tried to help Horus, who would eventually defeat chaos.
...or something >_>
I kinda forget, and I think I messed something up in there...

Yeah, AlphariusOmegon met up with the Cabal and decided to join chaos to save the universe, so yeah. They're like the soul drinkers, being Loyalist Traitors.

idget wrote:

Lord_Inquisitor wrote:Well, pro-humanity i think is how they were implied to be in Legion. They know that if humanity/the Emperor wins against Horus, chaos eventually consumes all of humanity. So they tried to help Horus, who would eventually defeat chaos.
...or something >_>
I kinda forget, and I think I messed something up in there...

Yeah, AlphariusOmegon met up with the Cabal and decided to join chaos to save the universe, so yeah. They're like the soul drinkers, being Loyalist Traitors.

Well not Chaos but Horus' side of the heresy, but yeah it was emperor wins: Chaos slowly consumes the imperium and we have the current state of the imperium or Horus wins: Horus Rules the Imperium, overcome by what he has done and destroys the imperium, thus ridding the universe of Chaos.

Luna Havoc wrote:

idget wrote:

Lord_Inquisitor wrote:Well, pro-humanity i think is how they were implied to be in Legion. They know that if humanity/the Emperor wins against Horus, chaos eventually consumes all of humanity. So they tried to help Horus, who would eventually defeat chaos.
...or something >_>
I kinda forget, and I think I messed something up in there...

Yeah, AlphariusOmegon met up with the Cabal and decided to join chaos to save the universe, so yeah. They're like the soul drinkers, being Loyalist Traitors.

Well not Chaos but Horus' side of the heresy, but yeah it was emperor wins: Chaos slowly consumes the imperium and we have the current state of the imperium or Horus wins: Horus Rules the Imperium, overcome by what he has done and destroys the imperium, thus ridding the universe of Chaos.

All of it is lies.

Emperor wins = Mankind rules = less conflicts as the Guard and Marines cleanse the galaxy of any threats.
=> no threats = happy humans =almost nothing to feed on for chaos. But plenty of dead xenos, so its obvious why the cabal wasn't interested in this outcome. The ruinous powers would also dislike it, as they would decrease in strenght.

Horus wins = chaos consumes mankind = eternal slavery = a source of "cattle" to constantly grow for chaos.
Horus would never get free and his fellow traitors had done too much to repent. IMO, the ruinous powers blatantly deceived the cabal,
and anyone choosing to destroy his own "faction" to stop chaos ignores the fact of eldar creating a chaos "god" on their own without
humans helping them. The idea of 0 humans = 0 chaos is soo wrong.....

Captain Idaeus wrote:So I was just randomly thinking about potential scenarios in 40k the other day and I thought of this.

Would it be entirely possible that quite a few loyalits chapters running around are alpha legion succesors? How hard would it have been after the codex astartes was introduced for the legion to take 1000 of their marines, repaint their armor, give themselves a new name, and just hang around for a few centuries before going out in the open and showing themselves ?
This would also explain the lack of encounters with the legion with imperial forces... there just really are not that many renegade alpha legionnaires out there.

That would be cool in my opinion, but what do you think ?

its a cool theory it could be possible the alpha legion were pretty reluctant to turn traitor anyway

Darth Bob wrote:We don't know what the hell the Legion is actually doing...and that's just the way they like it...

This is spot on, actually, especially after LEGION came out!

1hadhq wrote:
All of it is lies.

Emperor wins = Mankind rules = less conflicts as the Guard and Marines cleanse the galaxy of any threats.
=> no threats = happy humans =almost nothing to feed on for chaos. But plenty of dead xenos, so its obvious why the cabal wasn't interested in this outcome. The ruinous powers would also dislike it, as they would decrease in strenght.

Horus wins = chaos consumes mankind = eternal slavery = a source of "cattle" to constantly grow for chaos.
Horus would never get free and his fellow traitors had done too much to repent. IMO, the ruinous powers blatantly deceived the cabal,
and anyone choosing to destroy his own "faction" to stop chaos ignores the fact of eldar creating a chaos "god" on their own without
humans helping them. The idea of 0 humans = 0 chaos is soo wrong.....

While the second one may be true - we know the first is false, because that's what the background is now!

Actually, Emperor was thrown into a coma. I don't know about you, but that's not a stunning victory in my books.

Nobody knows. Not even GW. Because it makes them more interesting to be ambiguous. We'll find out what the Alpha Legion are up to when GW advances the timeline.

In other words. Never. Basically, think of them what makes you happy, because it's not like GW will ever clarify anything.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, Emperor was thrown into a coma. I don't know about you, but that's not a stunning victory in my books.

Well, the Emperor may have been crippled, but within a couple centuries almost the entire Traitor Legions had been thoroughly defeated and driven into the Eye - the Alphas being one of the few exceptions. With or without the Emperor, Chaos wasn't going to go away. Which just shows how thoroughly the Cabal had been conned by the Ruinous Powers...

The Cabal apparantly are the reason for the alpha legions betrayal look here: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Cabal

Er, yes?

In my opinion, the Legion are playing a VERY complicated game.

They 'know' what needs to be done to save Humanity and not necessarily the Imperium (but maybe that too!), and they've got their own agenda for how to do it.

I think that The Cabal are probably on their 'to do' list as well.

But, as someone already mentioned, WE won't 'know' this unless we're somehow given more information.

A sequel to LEGION (please!) or an advancement of the timeline (most welcome, but probably bever happening!).

The Alpha Legion is completely and utterly corrupted. No matter what kind of excuses Alpharius/Omegon used to justify his betrayal ( yea, great idea...trust some xenos to defeat Chaos...oh wait...no, your actions just gave the Primordial Annihilator a 10000 years free for all...great job breaking it hero) the Alpha Legion actively advances the cause of Chaos ( Especially
now that Horus is dead and even the Cabal's utterly idiotic ( one of the weaker points of Legion if taken at face value ) plan to "save" the galaxy is no longer possible.

So, be it the destruction of the Emperor's sword of Arkos's the Faithless actions on Vraks, which helped to weaken Cadia itself, the Alpha Legion can no longer claim to be anything than pawns of Chaos.

The Alpha Legion is probably splintered now into individual warbands with differing outlooks. Some may be more loyalist, and others are totally plotting bastages.

Brotherjulian wrote: and others are totally plotting bastages.

SINDRI!

kenshin620 wrote:

Brotherjulian wrote: and others are totally plotting bastages.

SINDRI!

KingDeath wrote:The Alpha Legion is completely and utterly corrupted. No matter what kind of excuses Alpharius/Omegon used to justify his betrayal ( yea, great idea...trust some xenos to defeat Chaos...oh wait...no, your actions just gave the Primordial Annihilator a 10000 years free for all...great job breaking it hero) the Alpha Legion actively advances the cause of Chaos ( Especially
now that Horus is dead and even the Cabal's utterly idiotic ( one of the weaker points of Legion if taken at face value ) plan to "save" the galaxy is no longer possible.

So, be it the destruction of the Emperor's sword of Arkos's the Faithless actions on Vraks, which helped to weaken Cadia itself, the Alpha Legion can no longer claim to be anything than pawns of Chaos.

Pure conjecture.

For all we know, they could be in deep undercover mode too.