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Just wanted to see who would you guys choose to be warmaster if youd be the Emperor and explain how would have changed the Imperium and would there be a rebellion?

For example I would have chosen Sanguinius for he was kind and he used his feelings and emotions to decide his choices. Even Horus thought he should have become the warmaster. I think If the Emperor would have picked him the heresy would not have been born beacsue Sanguinius would feel that only to be by the Emperors side is the only way. Also I think the Imperium would have become alot stronger beacsue Sanguinius would have made all the people more faithfull to the Emperor.

My gut said Russ, but eventually my brain was forced to go for the Lion. Brilliant tactician, loyal as all Hell.

my gut , brain said three things at once


Guiliman, Sanguinus, Lion el

Would have kept overall command, just split up the responsibilities across them.
The idea of a warmaster was the problem. When none of them could deem himself of a higher rank, less issues would arise.
It was possible for Horus to oppose the emperor because he could redistribute the imperial forces to his leisure.
Without any "warmaster", any traitor would face an overwhelming force of pro-imperial armies.

Have to vote : NO warmaster at all.

1hadhq wrote:Would have kept overall command, just split up the responsibilities across them.
The idea of a warmaster was the problem. When none of them could deem himself of a higher rank, less issues would arise.
It was possible for Horus to oppose the emperor because he could redistribute the imperial forces to his leisure.
Without any "warmaster", any traitor would face an overwhelming force of pro-imperial armies.

Have to vote : NO warmaster at all.

Although this is what would have been the best, Big E gave the position to continue on with the great crusade so he could go back to Terra and work on the Imperial Webway, thus having quicker and less dangerous travel than the warp. Of course Magnus stuffed it all up with his pyschic message so he's definatly not gonna get the possition.


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I voted Dorn. No one could take out defences built by him.

Were I in the Emperor's position, I would have chosen Horus.
Horus was the first Primarch found, and had served with the Emperor the longest. Of all the Primarchs, he was the greatest at leading, able to see how to use the specialisation of his brothers to best further the glory of the Imperium. His intelligence and natural grasp of psychology allowed him to broker truces where others would have resorted to bloodshed to bring worlds under the Emperor's rule. He was a natural choice for Warmaster, to direct the Great Crusade in the Emperor's absence.

The tragedy of his corruption and betrayal only serves to show even the greatest of us are fallible. It is only with the benefit of hindsight that one can doubt Horus, and who knows? If another had been chosen as Warmaster, he might have been seduced by the lure of Chaos and lead a Heresy of his own.

1hadhq wrote:The idea of a warmaster was the problem. When none of them could deem himself of a higher rank, less issues would arise.

I disagree. Were all Primarchs of equal rank, they would have fallen to squabbling amongst themselves, unable to agree on the best course of action to take. It was necessary that one of them be able to overrule the others, or the still young and fragile Imperium would have been torn apart from a dozen different directions.

VikingScott wrote:I voted Dorn. No one could take out defences built by him.

Perturabo could, and did.

1hadhq wrote:Would have kept overall command, just split up the responsibilities across them.
The idea of a warmaster was the problem. When none of them could deem himself of a higher rank, less issues would arise.
It was possible for Horus to oppose the emperor because he could redistribute the imperial forces to his leisure.
Without any "warmaster", any traitor would face an overwhelming force of pro-imperial armies.

Have to vote : NO warmaster at all.

Pretty smart

Dude! I am the God Emperor. At-least in my world.

Leman Russ. Who needs to think when you can crack Primarch's spine over your knee?

chowderhead13 wrote:Leman Russ. Who needs to think when you can crack Primarch's spine over your knee?

Leman Russ requires order's IMO. If it had to be someone it'd be Sanguinius or Guilliman

I picked Dorn. The Emperor made the classic mistake of promoting talent over loyal mediocrity

Æscholt wrote:

1hadhq wrote:The idea of a warmaster was the problem. When none of them could deem himself of a higher rank, less issues would arise.

I disagree. Were all Primarchs of equal rank, they would have fallen to squabbling amongst themselves, unable to agree on the best course of action to take. It was necessary that one of them be able to overrule the others, or the still young and fragile Imperium would have been torn apart from a dozen different directions.

The galaxy was nearly conquered and the Primarchs and their Legions already fought as seperate expeditions.
A overall command wasn't that neccessary anymore, as the option to split up the "cake" into sectors and make ONE primarch responsible for it
would at worst caused some minor "sub-empires" to exist. Now, Imperia are usually split up into smaller units and the actual state of the Imperium is also an organization in sectors.
Most Primarchs would rather try to outperform their brethren and impress the Emperor than debate the overall course.
The fight between military and bureaucrats otoh, could be more of an issue back in the day then....

Æscholt wrote:

VikingScott wrote:I voted Dorn. No one could take out defences built by him.

Perturabo could, and did.

The only time I know of that the Iron Warriors attacked defences made by Dorn was the Imperial Palace which held.

I say Guilliman. He was not only a warrior but a sort of, mini Emperor in himself before he was found. Although i collect BA, Sanguinus WOULD let his feelings over take him, which is frowned upon.

Captain Godfrey wrote:I say Guilliman. He was not only a warrior but a sort of, mini Emperor himself before he was found. Although i collect BA, Sanguinus WOULD let his feelings over take him, which is frowned upon.

But isnt that the point, his feelings and love for the Emperor were so strong I think it be impossible to break it.

having written the Da Rules for space marines I think Roubute has a good handle on conducting wars. Most chapters/primarchs have some sort of theme and Guilliman and the Ultramarine's seem to be tactical efficiency and military discipline.

Hi Dakka Dakka!

I chose Lorgar. I only know of him from reading posts here but I feel pity and sympathy for the tragically flawed spirituality and devotion of the Primarch. I just wonder, if the Emperor had done more than rebuke him, had spent time mending the pride and blind zeal into a real and living faith, could Lorgar have been saved? Or was he doomed and damned to be a Judas?

Even though he was one of the most infamous traitors and villains of the Empire, the good he did in planting the seed for the Imperial Cult carries on to this day, lighting the way of faith for mankind in this twilight age of Armageddon. If only the man himself had been salvaged...!

But the Emperor is wise and all knowing. "Might have beens" are no more than day dreams, day dreams are no more than infant heresies....

--- Be well, be blessed!
----- Frankie

Guilliman, no doubt whatso ever the very embodiment of "Hector" The professional General. Organised, efficient, tactical and strategic genius, superb diplomat and planetary governor forever loyal and indomitable. All the other Primarchs have serious character flaws (Russ, Lion, Sang etc), even Horus (being perfect at everything made him fundamentally imperfect if not unique) Roboutes character flaw is that he is dull.

Sanguinius, for the reasons you said.

And as someone who isn't a BA fan, thats difficult for me to say.

cmon hardley anyone voted for magnus hes the emporers most devoted son hes probably the most powerful primarch and could woop any other primarch ass and the emperor chose him to replace him on the golden throne

nickmund wrote:cmon hardley anyone voted for magnus hes the emporers most devoted son hes probably the most powerful primarch and could woop any other primarch ass and the emperor chose him to replace him on the golden throne

You do know about the council o Nekia (or however it's spelt) right?
The original version not the retconed piece of crap.

who voted for cuzre?! he was the first to turn traitor

nickmund wrote:who voted for cuzre?! he was the first to turn traitor

The first traitor was Lorgar.
The first renegade was kurze.

Lorgar turned against the Imperium.
Kurze was paranoid enough to get lost in his tactics of violence and terror.

Lorgar had turned long before kurze was accused of his unorthodox tactics.

Lorgar still believes he's right.
Kurze accepted the neccessity of a hunter sent after him. Kurze was insane, driven by visions of only bad things.

So Lorgar still lies to himself, whilst kurze accepted his fate.

1hadhq wrote:

nickmund wrote:who voted for cuzre?! he was the first to turn traitor

The first traitor was Lorgar.
The first renegade was kurze.

Lorgar turned against the Imperium.
Kurze was paranoid enough to get lost in his tactics of violence and terror.

Lorgar had turned long before kurze was accused of his unorthodox tactics.

Lorgar still believes he's right.
Kurze accepted the neccessity of a hunter sent after him. Kurze was insane, driven by visions of only bad things.

So Lorgar still lies to himself, whilst kurze accepted his fate.

hes still a crap choice for warmaster
just posted an unfinished picture im part way through drawing of curze fighting the pheonix guard on my gallery

Konrad isn't a leader type you know.

What I find funny, is , a poll where the top 5 of candidates for Warmaster are all loyalist..

Actually the awesomeness of the Angel and the organizational talent of Supersmurf N°1 lead.
Followed by a dutyful soldier, R.D.
Somewhat behind , the Lion and the Wolf.

Seems "we" want either the best organization possible or to follow the most angelic beeing available to lead against the evil spirits of the warp.
Plus, any loyal and humble servant is preferred over the ambitious warrior type.

1hadhq wrote:Konrad isn't a leader type you know.

What I find funny, is , a poll where the top 5 of candidates for Warmaster are all loyalist..

Actually the awesomeness of the Angel and the organizational talent of Supersmurf N°1 lead.
Followed by a dutyful soldier, R.D.
Somewhat behind , the Lion and the Wolf.

Seems "we" want either the best organization possible or to follow the most angelic beeing available to lead against the evil spirits of the warp.
Plus, any loyal and humble servant is preferred over the ambitious warrior type.

im for the imperium but i find the loyalist primarchs a bit boring except maby ferrus manus but thats probably because i like the iron hands


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and his cool liquid metal arm

But I find the loyalist primarchs a bit boring???

Loyalist Primarchs are boring! Only Roboute is boring! You have one who is a Lion, one who thinks he's a wolf, another who has wings on his back and can fly. Another basically thinks hes giant bloody lizard and forges metal all day, and another one thinks he's Ghenghiz Kharn. NICKMUND if that lot are boring I would love to meet your drinking buddies on a Saturday night

mwnciboo wrote:But I find the loyalist primarchs a bit boring???

Loyalist Primarchs are boring! Only Roboute is boring! You have one who is a Lion, one who thinks he's a wolf, another who has wings on his back and can fly. Another basically thinks hes giant bloody lizard and forges metal all day, and another one thinks he's Ghenghiz Kharn. NICKMUND if that lot are boring I would love to meet your drinking buddies on a Saturday night

haha they all have interesting things about them i just think the loyalist primarchs are boring compared to the traitor ones they seem to have a better story and i love the tragedy in their storys it makes them seem more like victims than villans

Agreed, you make a good point.

Big Bob Guilliman.
He's an Eisenhower; not a Patton. Exactly what the role of Warmaster requiers.