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Alpharius, just because it would annoy the hell out of guilleman.

Oh and he was quite the tactical genius, as he managed to stop Horus' fleet in it's tracks, with one man fighters held together with duct tape, then landed on his flagship and went all bullet time on Horus' bolt pistol.

None of the Primarchs. I'd give the position to Malcador the Sigilite, who is my right hand man (or The Emperor myself if you ascribribe to some theories)

I put Vulkan, nice guy as shown by Salamanders (the pansies(JK), but after I polled I thought Lion. Russ also crossed my mind, for kicks. Sanguinus, had problems, Guliman, had a pride issue, Ferrus Manus, possible dual loyalty to machine god, Russ, was crazy, though not a traitor, maybe, Jagahti Khan and Corax, Corvax whatever, I don't know about. Traitor primarchs are obviously bad choices, as anybody who would turn against the emperor is not that smart of a choice. This is all in hindsight, if I had been the emperor at that point I would have chosen Guliman, as he stood out and had skills.

RayvenQ wrote:None of the Primarchs. I'd give the position to Malcador the Sigilite, who is my right hand man (or The Emperor myself if you ascribribe to some theories)

damn right i always thought that malcador was cool i posted on another thread yesterday: rate the primarchs . about how malcador is possibly the son of the emperor

Guilliman, the Primarch who could not only organize a piss-up in a brewery, but would turn a profit, and eventually end up having 50% of all the Adeptus Vintorum under his command.

nickmund wrote:cmon hardley anyone voted for magnus hes the emporers most devoted son hes probably the most powerful primarch and could woop any other primarch ass and the emperor chose him to replace him on the golden throne

My oppnion is that Magnus was a bit of a unmiature baby. I mean how can you trust a person to be Warmaster if he cant even follow your orders? When the Emperor told him no more Physersc...What did little son Magnus do? He used it anyways, also he was kinda that type of person who was "I know it all"
But he wasent the worst...I mean I would have chosen him over Angron for sure (:

I chose Sanguinus, he's gifted both in military and psychic ability and uber loyal.
However, Horus was really the ideal choice. If the Emperor had've told him the truth about his work on Terra and made him aware of the dangers of Chaos then maybe Horus wouldn't have turned. Though tbh, there are many things he should have done differently.

Sanguinius probably.

But if I was the Empress, then all Space Marines would be female seeing as they'd be based off of my genetic code, so would it be better to say Sanguinia?

Russ for the loyal Puppy he is.
I am sure Angron would love the position =P

That was a thought I pursued for a while, the notion that the geneseed replaced the male Y chromosome with an artificial chromosome, meaning that Astartes were genetically female despite appearing pheno-typically masculine thanks to their training and epigenetic tampering.

BAD2 wrote:Russ for the loyal Puppy he is.
I am sure Angron would love the position =P

If Angron had a beard I would vote for him. Just so that I could say "By Angron's Beard!" and rally the Squats.

What? Don't tell me that doesn't sound like a dwarven name, you'd be so damn wrong

I went with guillman because of his faith for the emperor but Horus was more or less the same before he betrayed him. a position of power like warmaster or any second in command would make that person more corrupted no matter his faith in the emperor

I'd vote for Rowboat Girlyman. His arrogance would cause ALL the primarchs to rebel

Perhaps the emperor would have been better served to play his lieutenants off against each other, thus limiting the power any 1 of them could acrue. For a super being the emperor was pretty dim on this point..... most dictators in the modern world understand that you dont want any of your underlings to get too strong..... so why wouldnt the emperor? Oh well I guess you have to have a story. It's a good one

I would have picked dorn if I had to choose. He's just as loyal as horus or guiliman but probably too thick skulled to be very good at rebellion if it he tried.


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Something worth considering is that maybe the Emperor didn't have 100% foresight about the whole situation. Dude was capable of making mistakes; he was only human.

I voted Angron!

But only if Emp had actually helped him win his rebellion against the slave masters and allowed him to form the nucleus of the 'new' War Hounds from his fellow gladiators.

Utterly loyal Angron would have got the Crusade done in half the time. Granted, the Emperor might have had significantly fewer subjects once he was done, but even so ...

I don't think Angron would have gotten the crusade finished at all. He would have been corrupted twice as fast as Horus. He wouldn't have bothered with Istvaan. He would have turned his bloody horde around and went right for the Emperor's throat. Dorn wouldn't have had time to fortify Terra and things would have ended much differently.

But Angron would also not have had the support of so many of the Legions. He would have to rely on very little external support and the loyalist legions would have been in a better position to respond.

Mars would probably have revolted exactly the same either way. Those guys were just lookin for an excuse to go crazy.

Nurglitch wrote:That was a thought I pursued for a while, the notion that the geneseed replaced the male Y chromosome with an artificial chromosome, meaning that Astartes were genetically female despite appearing pheno-typically masculine thanks to their training and epigenetic tampering.

Regardless of chromosomes, astartes are not human and do not reproduce, so it would probably be more accurate to say that they have no gender at all. They were once male and human, and they still resemble male humans, but in practical terms once they become astartes they are neither.

VikingScott wrote:

Æscholt wrote:

VikingScott wrote:I voted Dorn. No one could take out defences built by him.

Perturabo could, and did.

The only time I know of that the Iron Warriors attacked defences made by Dorn was the Imperial Palace which held.

The palace didn't hold, it was overrun and about to fall completely at the end. The survivors of that ongoing battle warped to Horus' battle barge, and only then barely managed to survive. (Or live on as a corpse-god, but we don't need to debate that now.)

I would go for Lion because he was good tactician and leader.

My vote is for lorgar. When wars get that big you don't need a tactician, you need some one who can push with ideas and concepts.

Viper217 wrote:

VikingScott wrote:

Æscholt wrote:

VikingScott wrote:I voted Dorn. No one could take out defences built by him.

Perturabo could, and did.

The only time I know of that the Iron Warriors attacked defences made by Dorn was the Imperial Palace which held.

The palace didn't hold, it was overrun and about to fall completely at the end. The survivors of that ongoing battle warped to Horus' battle barge, and only then barely managed to survive. (Or live on as a corpse-god, but we don't need to debate that now.)

Of course it didnt held beacuse they were outnumbered but still It did a fine job and if it be only the Iron Warriors they would have died.


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Nurglitch wrote:That was a thought I pursued for a while, the notion that the geneseed replaced the male Y chromosome with an artificial chromosome, meaning that Astartes were genetically female despite appearing pheno-typically masculine thanks to their training and epigenetic tampering.

Regardless of chromosomes, astartes are not human and do not reproduce, so it would probably be more accurate to say that they have no gender at all. They were once male and human, and they still resemble male humans, but in practical terms once they become astartes they are neither.

Hey as long they have a penis or a vag you can say female or male.

bob the heretic wrote:Hey as long they have a penis or a vag you can say female or male.

If they have anything down there it clearly doesn't function. It's been made very clear that Astartes are considered a species apart from humans, and if a species only has one gender, not to mention no sexual reproduction, it's meaningless to call it male or female.

and his cool liquid metal arm

doesn't the iron warriors warsmith honsou have one of those

The Emperor chose Horus as Warmaster for a reason. Horus was by far the most brilliant tactician out of his brothers, arguably one of the toughest in a fight, and held the closest relationship with the Emperor (akin to a Father/Son relationship). With hindsight it's easy enough to say it was a dumb choice, but who knows what that weight of power would have done to a lesser primarch? In any case, Sanguinius is a close second but only owing to the fact that he was so much like Horus. In the end however, Horus was still the obvious choice for Warmaster.

If I was the Empra:
1) I wouldn't be me.
2) I would not have the same knowlege, so would not know how badly Horus would feth gak up.
3) I would be the Empra and would have Picked Horus for the same reasons the Empra did.

From The Emperors View though, it couldn't be anyone else apart from Sanguinius.

Rowboat Girlyman was too stuck up his own arse with rivalries and general Showboating.

Dorn was, again, rivals with Puterbo, which could have caused strife (lol irony).

Horus was generally liked by all. Even the Berserker Angron had a LITTLE respect for him (and considering he hated the EMPRA from day one for not bringing STHEEL RHEIN on the enemies of his buddies and left them to die, that's no small feat).

Sanguinius would have made a good, perhaps better Warmaster, Horus himself thought so, though he might have been TOO good, if that makes any sense.

Gwar! wrote:
Sanguinius would have made a good, perhaps better Warmaster, Horus himself thought so, though he might have been TOO good, if that makes any sense.

Horus and Sanguinius were both very close and very similar, not only in doctrine and approach but also in thought. Of course, the ultimate irony would be if the roles were reversed, with Sanguinius starting the Rebellion and Horus sacrificing himself on the Bridge. It's not hard to imagine, really.

Roboute Guilliman. He was a tactical genius so if there was a rebellion he would crush it. Why do you think Horus made it so Guilliman was at the other side of the galaxy when he started the rebellion?

RaptorsTallon wrote:Roboute Guilliman. He was a tactical genius so if there was a rebellion he would crush it. Why do you think Horus made it so Guilliman was at the other side of the galaxy when he started the rebellion?

Because the Ultramarines did sweet F-All in general and had more marines than the rest of the legions put together (because they never died because they never did anything more dangerous the lace-making). Numbers > Strategy. That's why the Imperial Guard win so often.

Notice how the very moment he heard Russ was on his way back from single handedly whopping Magnus and his entire legion to the ground he bricked himself and tried to settle things with the Empra, even though he would have won had the siege simply gone on.

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and his cool liquid metal arm

doesn't the iron warriors warsmith honsou have one of those

Honsou has a Necron arm.