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Honour Guard w/2xMeltagun
-Razorback w/Las Plas, HK missle

ELITE

(5) Sternguard w/2xCombiweapon
-Razorback w/Las Plas, HK missle

TROOPS

(5)Assault Troops w/Meltagun
-Razorback w/Las Plas, HK missle

(5)Assault Troops w/Meltagun
-Razorback w/Las Plas, HK missle

(5)Assault Troops w/Meltagun
-Razorback w/Las Plas, HK missle

(5)Assault Troops w/Meltagun
-Razorback w/Las Plas, HK missle

(5)Assault Troops w/Flamer
-Razorback w/Las Plas, HK missle

(5)Assault Troops w/Flamer
-Razorback w/Las Plas, HK missle

HEAVY

(5)Devestators w/4x Missle Launcher
(5)Devestators w/4x Missle Launcher
(5)Devestators w/4x Missle Launcher

-2000pts even

Please tear this list to peices. What can it NOT shoot to bits? I'm pretty much seeing it as able to handle pretty much anything. Not much variety, but I'm not sure you need any deepstrikers or even any HtH....whatever you need to use HtH on, you shoot the heck out of then assault with some marines.

Be brutal. I wanna analyse anything people have to say.

Found Stelek's Nova Blood Angel list I see....

Actually, makes me want to try a CSM army with 4x missile havocs.

I dont see any Chaos list getting even close to this sort of firepower....and mobility.

Hmm i had a similar list to that , but it was with Assault Cannons instead.

Its amazing how cheap razorbacks are if the AM doesnt have jump packs...

I think this combo is MUCH better than Assault Cannon Razors.

You've still got the fast mobility, but here you still have LONG range and the power to punch thru heavy armour.

Then, when things get crazy and you've got to kill some models...each Razorback still has 3 high strength low ap shots...two of which are twin linked.

I think the Assault Cannon Razors pale in comparison.


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Speaking about the list itself. It seems SAFH but is it so shooty that you dont need ANY real close combat element? I'm not sure.

Plus, what happens when you run into a list that can shoot back? (mech IG?) Razors are terribly easy to pop in a Kill Point mission.

I dunno, firepower looks really powerful, and its a scary list, but.....

Why devs may i ask?
You have a highly mobile convoy of armour, then you have those at the back.

Those devs are 130 points per unit right? (dont have the dex to hand)

For those points why not get some decent armour for shooting?

Dakka pred, baal, raider, any of those should do the trick.


I see the appeal for missiles, since you have both anti-tank and infantry.
However, i think that taking something mobile with an AV would help instead.

With the devs you would have them left behind and vulnerable to attack and shooting.
Also, the las plas is throwing the list 210 points up on its own.
Why not dedicate them to a set role? (ie: 3 las, 3 assault)
Failing that, you could drop the devs and a few las-plas and take 2 more units of sterns in razors.

This guy at the store i go to did the same list (mostly) and got like 3rd place or so out of 16

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Why devs may i ask?
You have a highly mobile convoy of armour, then you have those at the back.

Those devs are 130 points per unit right? (dont have the dex to hand)

For those points why not get some decent armour for shooting?

Dakka pred, baal, raider, any of those should do the trick.


I see the appeal for missiles, since you have both anti-tank and infantry.
However, i think that taking something mobile with an AV would help instead.

With the devs you would have them left behind and vulnerable to attack and shooting.
Also, the las plas is throwing the list 210 points up on its own.
Why not dedicate them to a set role? (ie: 3 las, 3 assault)
Failing that, you could drop the devs and a few las-plas and take 2 more units of sterns in razors.

Why devs?

I'd say that 12 missles firing every turn with a range of 4 feet is pretty good for 390 pts.

....then you place them in terrain within 6" of the Honour Guards Razorback and they've also got FNP on any return fire. Making them better than pretty good....more like pretty great.

The army already has bags of mobility. Missles can hit anything on the board if placed correctly. They can be protected from assault by "cradling" them with the razorbacks...that way nothing outflanks to charge them. Seems to me that the idea of these 15 guys on foot is still pretty sound. Devestators dont need transports.

Deadshane1 wrote:I dont see any Chaos list getting even close to this sort of firepower....and mobility.

The chaos player can get marines in rhinos just the same as the BA's, just without being "Fast". This BA list is just a variation of a mech Space Wolves Razor Spam with Long Fangs, but with BA flavor thrown in. The CSM player can do this same army with Chaos Flavor, with mech'ed up Chaos Marines or Plague Marines with Dual Melta, or any other Cult you'd like, and do just about as well, just different.

Deadshane1 wrote:Found Stelek's Nova Blood Angel list I see....

Sorry, but this is not Stelek's list.
He had some more variety in his army, like MM/HF Speeders, SW Scouts, and Thunderwolf cavalry.
Variety gives the army better control over some situations.
This is why I absolutely dislike the above list.

Blood Angels Iron Horses

this would do a good job of it.
HQ
Librarian 100

Troops
Assault Squad(no jump packs) Land Raider(-35 pts for no jump packs) multimelta and sergeant Melta-Bombs 330

Assault Squad(no jump packs) Land Raider(-35 pts for no jump packs) multimelta 325

Assault Squad(no jump packs) Land Raider(-35 pts for no jump packs) multimelta 325

Assault Squad(no jump packs) Land Raider(-35 pts for no jump packs) multimelta 325

Assault Squad(no jump packs) Land Raider(-35 pts for no jump packs)multimelta 325

Heavy support
Predator Autocannon and Sponson Lascannons 135*

Predator Autocannon and Sponson Lascannons 135*
2000*

there you have it. POtMS pens 2 different AV11 tanks per turn per LR, and lascannons then its just dealing with picking off the dudes that spill out.

If I had to change anything out, it would be the deve squads for heavy bolters instead of missle. I just think these would be better options at just removing swarm type armies with easy. On top of that you already have a fair amount of long range fire support. Points saved could buy a few other options


Negative remarkes.

Small unit, easy to break and or just remove them with standard squads. I do not know all of the tactical option for the dex, but HK over power fist/power weapon imop is not correct. You need to gear up the squads a bit for hth to assist over all or you will be out meched.

wuestenfux wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:Found Stelek's Nova Blood Angel list I see....

Sorry, but this is not Stelek's list.
He had some more variety in his army, like MM/HF Speeders, SW Scouts, and Thunderwolf cavalry.
Variety gives the army better control over some situations.
This is why I absolutely dislike the above list.

Sorry, look closer.

In a post before Stelek's Nova Wolves army was chosen and evolved into what it was at Nova, he was deciding between two lists....

Blood Angels

OR

Space Wolves

The above list is a carbon copy of what he was going to begin with if he decided to go Blood Angels. Doubtless it would've evolved, but the above list is where his BA's were going to start.

Variety is great, but often in the better lists it evolves out of something much more simple and boring...like whats above.

Well, I looked at Stelek's lists. This list was on of his starting points.
If you look into his ambush tactics, you'll see that one of three elements (security units) are missing here.
I find them very vital in order to disrupt enemy plans early at the game.

I think horde orks could give this list a run for its money. Even a multi wagon ork list with a big mek might survive the shooting and get into your army. Not a given but possible.

Also, A destroyer heavy Cron list with Monos could give you some trouble.

Mech IG would be a roll off for who goes first.

Shooting Marines seems to be popular these days, and it can be effective, but what if you have that bad round of shooting just as the enemy closes.......what then.

Also, drop pod space wolves would do ok.

whitedragon wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:I dont see any Chaos list getting even close to this sort of firepower....and mobility.

The chaos player can get marines in rhinos just the same as the BA's, just without being "Fast". This BA list is just a variation of a mech Space Wolves Razor Spam with Long Fangs, but with BA flavor thrown in. The CSM player can do this same army with Chaos Flavor, with mech'ed up Chaos Marines or Plague Marines with Dual Melta, or any other Cult you'd like, and do just about as well, just different.

Despite the fact that CSM lack razors, thus you don't get that kind of fire power and you also contradicted your post by saying BA vehicles are fast which is the mobility. As such Deadshane1's post is entirely correct. SW's come close with there razorspam but they still don't have the same mobility as the BA list.

While there is a ton of fire power in this list it won't fair as well as you'd think. Against another shooting army or an army that is capable of closing with you quickly you'll be coughing up KPs too quickly to recoup them. IG can blast back at you better than you can dish out and Wolves do a similar list only better. I think if you dropped a few of the redundant squads for something with real Assault capabilities you will be giving your self a more well rounded and better list.