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I remember reading that your opponents cannot gain cover saves from your own units, but can your own units like a tank or something block your LoS for firing in the first place?

You have it slightly wrong.

You do not give cover saves from models *within* the firing unit, so if model A is slightly behind model B (but can still see the target) this would not make A count as "granting cover" when determining if the majority grant cover saves.

Your own units can definitley block los, and have done since 3rd. If your LOS is blocked, you may not shoot - this is absolute.

Yes, but remember you only need to see, say a leg to shoot at them but the opponent gets a good cover save.

EagleArk needs to be more specific. His entry is true if you are looking through something "fluid", for lack of a better term, like infantry or individual approx. man sized units that make up a squad. This is not true if all you can see is a guys leg and there is a Land Raider blocking the rest of the squad. Always use a bent version of True LOS when playing 5th ed.

ComputerGeek01 wrote: This is not true if all you can see is a guys leg and there is a Land Raider blocking the rest of the squad.

Seeing only a leg of a model will allow the unit to be shot (page 16).
Unless you mean seeing with the leg. . .

any unit blocking line of los between the shooter and the target gives the target 4+ cover save. It doesn't matter if the unit blocking line of sight is friendly or enemy. Models in the shooters unit or the target unit cannot block los. if a unit has true los on any body part of a model in the target unit excluding banners, impressive wings, then only the models with los to the target can fire. target unit will get a cover save if half of the unit is in cover. so if all you see is a leg or hand on one guy in a 5 man unit they will get cover save of atleast 4+. some may even give a 3+ in that kind of situation.

Badandy wrote:any unit blocking line of los between the shooter and the target gives the target 4+ cover save. It doesn't matter if the unit blocking line of sight is friendly or enemy. Models in the shooters unit or the target unit cannot block los. if a unit has true los on any body part of a model in the target unit excluding banners, impressive wings, then only the models with los to the target can fire. target unit will get a cover save if half of the unit is in cover. so if all you see is a leg or hand on one guy in a 5 man unit they will get cover save of atleast 4+. some may even give a 3+ in that kind of situation.

Really? I thought you could shoot through your own units and still no cover save was given to the enemy.

Nope, only through models in the same unit as the shooter. Models in other units, friendly or enemy, can block LOS and/or grant cover saves.

it's supposed to emulate your troops having to take careful aim so as not to hit there own men.

Badandy wrote:any unit blocking line of los between the shooter and the target gives the target 4+ cover save. It doesn't matter if the unit blocking line of sight is friendly or enemy. Models in the shooters unit or the target unit cannot block los. if a unit has true los on any body part of a model in the target unit excluding banners, impressive wings, then only the models with los to the target can fire. target unit will get a cover save if half of the unit is in cover. so if all you see is a leg or hand on one guy in a 5 man unit they will get cover save of atleast 4+. some may even give a 3+ in that kind of situation.

I would give a 2+ in a situation were you could only see a hand or leg from a whole squad, 3+ MAYBE but 4+ is a little hard to agree with, not calling you out personally here, just sayin...

just going by RAW. i would probably go 3+ or 2+ as i have many times in the past. but i know some gamers who would say 4+ take it or leave it. not very nice!

To be fair, a leg is one of the examples. . .

and don't they say something to the effect of basically work out an agreable cover save with your opponent?

Badandy wrote:and don't they say something to the effect of basically work out an agreable cover save with your opponent?

Yes. A lot of my friends just go with the basic 4+ for all cover saves, but I like to adjust it whenever it's appropriate.

I mean that LOS to a model's leg is sufficient cause to make targeting "normal". The (terrain granting) cover save does not need to be modified because "only" the leg is seen.

if you cant see half the unit it gets a cover save. that is RAW. Its basically the same as a unit entering area terrain. if half of them are in area terrain cover saves apply.

Badandy wrote:just going by RAW. i would probably go 3+ or 2+ as i have many times in the past. but i know some gamers who would say 4+ take it or leave it. not very nice!

Well, it all depends on what is granting the cover. How much of the model(s) can be seen is irrelevant. If you can see them, you can shoot them. Then cover is determined based on the chart on page 21. According to it, the ONLY thing that grants a 3+ is fortifications. So if the unit is hiding behind a vehicle (ie a 'unit'), with just that leg sticking out, that's a 4+ cover save according to the chart. So yeah, 4+, take it or leave it.

Thanks all.

and to the other point, yes, your own tanks can very much block LOS. I used to take flagrant advantage of this fact back when I ran a lot of vehicles.

Nope, can't see me. Hidin' behind my russ.