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What Became of the emperors Power Armour? After His Battle With Horus...Was it destroyed was it stolen is it mentioned all..And the only reason I ask is that i am trying to work out a piece of fluff For relics...

IIRC it was broken down and a fragment of it was put into each set of Tactical Dreadnought armour (Terminator Armour) its in the Cross on their shoulder pads

The Crux Terminatus, displayed by Terminators on their left shoulder, contains a fragment of the Emperor's armour. And when you consider that all the Terminators in a thousand chapters have this badge, it's not likely that there's much left of it.

EmilCrane wrote:IIRC it was broken down and a fragment of it was put into each set of Tactical Dreadnought armour (Terminator Armour) its in the Cross on their shoulder pads

Yeah i feel kind of dumb for posting the thread i just read it in the codex but thanks

That's one thing I could never understand: The Emperor is the diving being who saved Mankind from damnation. Surely his armour would be preserved as a holy relic, rather than it being broke down into fragments which would be embedded into suits of basic armour? Or is this some sort of excuse GW made so they wouldn't have to make a model of him?

...Ahh but you know the emperor lived thousands of years before the heresy and i am sure he had to have more then one suit of Armour some where..What would you all say to that hypotheses


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Valkyrie wrote:That's one thing I could never understand: The Emperor is the diving being who saved Mankind from damnation. Surely his armour would be preserved as a holy relic, rather than it being broke down into fragments which would be embedded into suits of basic armour? Or is this some sort of excuse GW made so they wouldn't have to make a model of him?

I Know what you mean Looks like they would of saved it for posterity rather then send out to be destroyed again..But then yet i again i can see how it could boost a terminator to do heroic acts so he dont die and lose a piece of big E suit...

Valkyrie wrote:That's one thing I could never understand: The Emperor is the diving being who saved Mankind from damnation. Surely his armour would be preserved as a holy relic, rather than it being broke down into fragments which would be embedded into suits of basic armour? Or is this some sort of excuse GW made so they wouldn't have to make a model of him?

Do you know how many points i'd pay for a 5+ invuln?


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P.S - Fragment is obviously tiny, not like a sliver, like a speck of dust.

Well there aren't THAT many terminators at once . . . =p

But atleast they don't make a new suit of TDA for each Termie, due to passing armour on from one marine to the next. Which in itself makes me wonder how anyone gets new stuff in SM. Everything is always a couple of centuries old, if not a couple of millenia old . . . lol

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i thougth only Terminator captains got the one with emperors armor?

Space Marines dont want new stuff, they want armor with a list of acomplishments as long as their own.

Old Fluff had only the Sergeant and higher ranks having the fragment in the Crux; newer fluff just says a fragment in the Crux... so yeah could be either.

4th edition was eerily silent on the issue(at least the 4th edition SM Codex); 5th edition says all Crux carry a fragment. The 5th edition Dex also leaves no question as to Which suit of the Emperors armor was broken down and added to the Crux: it was the armor he wore while fighting Horus.

Lexicanum uses much older Fluff that had only Captains(and we can assume higher ranks) to have the Shards of the Emperor's Armor embedded(in both the listing for Terminator Armor and the Crux Terminatus). But again, this is fluff from 2nd edition I believe.

My chapter has 150 terminators. Except we do not possess the Crux Terminatus. My chapter possess an after hersey armor except they are newly made. But the materials for them are pretty hard to find.
But yes. Crux Termiantus is on almost every single terminator. But i don't like how it somehow makes a +5 Invul save... That seems like a shield. Is it like a forcefield or something?

Well I am Thinking about Just writing it up that The Emperor Had a spare suit And it got donated to a chapter to use for a relic....Hahaha the rule Fearless apply to all figures within 12" of the emperor's Pinky armour HAHAHA J/K


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Asherian Command wrote:My chapter has 150 terminators. Except we do not possess the Crux Terminatus. My chapter possess an after hersey armor except they are newly made. But the materials for them are pretty hard to find.
But yes. Crux Termiantus is on almost every single terminator. But i don't like how it somehow makes a +5 Invul save... That seems like a shield. Is it like a forcefield or something?

That is ALOT OF TERMINATORS

Yeah, there's also a lot of artistic license, even 'in game' as to how this could be explained.

First, if this was as simple as 'the armour got broken down and they STILL slice a molecule off every time they build a suit' then presumably Terminator armour during the Crusade/Heresy was just really big artificer armour? No invulnerables, right?

It's probably more of an abstract concept than a literal one - like, although the AdMech bless the armour, the Terminator suits contain something called "The Empror's Armour" - a symbol blessed by the Emperor. Or something.

Guys it's in my basement...
I can go fetch it if you like....

vignor wrote:Well I am Thinking about Just writing it up that The Emperor Had a spare suit And it got donated to a chapter to use for a relic....Hahaha the rule Fearless apply to all figures within 12" of the emperor's Pinky armour HAHAHA J/K

yeah that begs the question.... What iduiot would not make a spare armor? Espically when you are the emperor...
It really tells you how stupid people are.
But his sword and his lightning claws were taken by a Hero of the Imperium.

sn0zcumb3r wrote:Guys it's in my basement...
I can go fetch it if you like....

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Asherian Command wrote:

vignor wrote:Well I am Thinking about Just writing it up that The Emperor Had a spare suit And it got donated to a chapter to use for a relic....Hahaha the rule Fearless apply to all figures within 12" of the emperor's Pinky armour HAHAHA J/K

yeah that begs the question.... What iduiot would not make a spare armor? Espically when you are the emperor...
It really tells you how stupid people are.
But his sword and his lightning claws were taken by a Hero of the Imperium.

Yeah i know what you mean By stupid unless he fought horus with a costume Change betwen rounds

He(The Emperor) did not just have 1 suit of armor(or at least did not likely have only 1 suit); but the Crux is only embedded with the tiny fragment from the suit he wore during the battle with Horus.

"Tiny Fragment" is a very loose term, it could mean anything from the size of your pinky-nail, to just a grain of sand sized piece. If it were to mean molecules-thick then a fragmentation grenade(or bomb) would be near worthless as a few molecules flying through the air wouldn't do much damage to troops(so 40K frag grenades obviously do this definition of fragmentation, as they do 0 damage).

And as to the Invulnerable save: that is not from the Crux, it is to represent to awesome protective power of the armor itself; after all why bother with cumbersome termy armor when you could just walk on the field in artificer armor wielding almost exactly the same weapons? The only other benefits would be the move-and fire Heavies, and teleportation(which the Grey Knights proved can be done in power armor)

The tiny fragments in each Crux Terminatus have a tiny piece of the Emperor's armour in them - hence why they are priceless relics. The Emperor's armor was probably nigh-impenetrable, and he probably did some psychic wotsits with his armor to make "the job a good'un".

Artificer armor, for the sake of setting things right, is not as protective as Terminator armor - it is merely less bulky and large - but has the same armour save in-game (2+) because the difference is not great enough for it to matter.

Terminator armour is far in advance of Artificer armour in terms of what it grants, but Artificer armour is far more resplendant and will have taken much longer to create than a suit of Terminator armour would have. It is just power armour, except every single of the tiniest little details has been accounted for and meticulously worked on until it is as protective as it can be./rant

thats proably why terminators have a 5 plus invul save

Rules-wise, terminator armor in 1st ed had a 2+ normal save that could not be reduced to worse than 6+ (weapons had a minus to armor save, not penetration back then) and the option of taking refractor fields for a 5+ invulnerable save. In 2nd edition, terminator armor gave a 3+ save on 2D6 (weapons still used minus to armor save). In 3rd edition, the armor went back to a 2+ save with no invulnerable save, but that made terminators too weak (they weren't used at all in semi-serious lists) so they added back in the old 5+ that you'd get from refractor fields. They've kept it the same way through 4th and 5th.

The invulnerable save could be just because the armor is so tough, or could mean that they still have refractor fields built in, take your pick.

If the invuln came from the piece of the emporers armor.. why is it chaos terminators get the save too? even though thier armor has been salvaged, reforged, and damaged many thousands of times.

It's the equivalent of fragments of the "one true cross".

If all of those alleged splinters were put back together, the cross would be larger than an old redwood.

I forgot about the Crux Terminatus... I was gonna say isn't he wearing his armour, perched on his throne? Guess not though.
BucketWalrus, I'd imagine with Chaos Termies it's a blessing from one of the Chaotic deities.

If it was the Crux how do GK termies get it? Last I looked (wednesday) they don't have a Crux.

Oh snap! That's a good point!

They get it because awesome grey knights are awesome.

Probably because they are a chapter full of psyker and being somebody who is always in contact with Daemon, risking the piece was you know....

Darkvoidof40k wrote:They get it because awesome grey knights are awesome.

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Retrias wrote:Probably because they are a chapter full of psyker and being somebody who is always in contact with Daemon, risking the piece was you know....

You know the grey knights are the most loyal chapter in the imperium so i wouldn't know why they would not give them the crux...not a single Grey knight has ever went renegade

And to answer the question of where the invun comes from I give you chapter approved P55 "Terminator Armour is legendarily thick and heavily reinforced with armaplas and adamantium. Terminators are capable ..."

So it looks from this that is just the sheer amount of armour and the materials used, not refractors or holy relics.


But the section is titled "Crux Terminatus" so even back in 2001 they weren't certain about anything