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Just wondering if anyone have any ideas for the release for next Space Marine chapter.
I guess Dark Angels and Crimson Fists are my true favorite chapter of all marines , thus any news?

Grey knights.

reds8n wrote:Grey knights.

Blah ! i meant normal chapters not specialist like GK or Daemon Hunters

delete delete :<

Some guy I know at the design studio said that 2010's secret black box release is going to be RAINBOW WARRIORS!

Because the 40k world needs Hippy Marines....

This would fit better in 40k general IMO really.

.. I would think that post Gks the most likely chapter to be done would be the Black Templars, they'd have the oldest (marine) codex IIRC.

Didnt BT get a release not that long ago? with Sword Brotheren and such?

Did Dark Angels ever get anything after that till now?

I'm pretty certain that Codex DA was after the BT one, the BT one is a "pure" 4th edition codex IIRc, hence they have reference to target priority tests and the like.

I wanna see BT get some love, but have honestly not heard anything regarding which one may or may not be coming next - internet tomfoolery or fact.

Not including GK. I understood what you meant.

Pure speculation? Dark Angels.

Angry Marines! lol

DA need it the most, but they are probably behind BT and GK.

If it was a purely selfish answer you were after then Imperial Fists!

Sensibly, out of the current chapters with specific codices then it would hopefully be the one with the oldest codex. No idea who that would be though; Templars or Dark Angels I suppose.

I'm praying that Dark Angels get an upgrade... Terminator company with 5-man squads? terminator commander with no Iron Halo? Just let us keep the cheap venerable upgrades...

And my battle-buddy Jim is praying they don;t even think about updating Black Templars... his army is sick enough...

I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

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I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

DA and BT have already upgrade sprues and plastic kits.....looking at the rumors, it seems we get anything but marines this/next year.

Without models to justify the move from metal to plastic, DA and BT will be rather late ( if done at all ) in 5th ed.

Maybe at the end of the circle, when marines aren't that great due to 'newer super OP' codices or if GW needs a release without much risk
then we may see the DA and/or BT redone.

Actually, BA and FW's badab war cover the Meq sales.
Would guess next Power-armored codex late 2011/begin 2012.

GW may count chaos also as 'marines' and do them before any DA/BT release.

Asherian Command wrote:

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

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I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

In what way do their rules no longer work? Smoke Launchers giving glancing hits instead of penetrating? Favored Enemy to whomever? I think that I and swordbrotherjim would love to hear how Templars "need" an update...

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

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I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

In what way do their rules no longer work? Smoke Launchers giving glancing hits instead of penetrating? Favored Enemy to whomever? I think that I and swordbrotherjim would love to hear how Templars "need" an update...

Three words:
Target Priority Tests.

SaintHazard wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

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I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

In what way do their rules no longer work? Smoke Launchers giving glancing hits instead of penetrating? Favored Enemy to whomever? I think that I and swordbrotherjim would love to hear how Templars "need" an update...

Three words:
Target Priority Tests.

Thank you. Target Priority no longer exists.

Also, "Assault Ramps."

Personally I think the logical move is to just lump us DA into a new Marine Codex... we're not really unique enough to justify our own codex and we'll never fall out of date that way :p

Just chuck in Belial and Sammael as SM characters and there ya go.

Asherian Command wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

\
I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

In what way do their rules no longer work? Smoke Launchers giving glancing hits instead of penetrating? Favored Enemy to whomever? I think that I and swordbrotherjim would love to hear how Templars "need" an update...

Three words:
Target Priority Tests.

Thank you. Target Priority no longer exists.

BT FAQ says they do. Only for Templars.

Of course, it's only on infantry, Jump inf, and bikes. I've never had an issue with it, since everything I shoot with those units is always the closest.

Having to House Rule/Point to German FAQ for my Assault Vehicle Land raiders is annoying as hell though.

So the target priority test, being an obsolete rule, means the Black Templars are no longer a valid army? It's a core rule of their army (Kill 'Em All). Trust me and the people he played at 'Ard Boyz, my battle buddy Jim's Templars don't need an update. Heck, he's half afraid that they will lose some of their uniqueness, like the Emperor's Chump and the vows and such...

Neither Imperial nor Crimson Fists need their own codex, and they definitely don't need some new special character called Fist Fistavius with the Fist of Deathfist.

Personally, I'd like to see GW release PDF updates for the Black Templars and Dark Angels, then not touch Space Marines again until everything else is up to date.

AlexHolker wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see GW release PDF updates for the Black Templars and Dark Angels, then not touch Space Marines again until everything else is up to date.

That would make sense, and wouldn't require people to shell out thirty bucks for a few pages of badly-written fluff. You have to pay for quality like Wolf Wolferson, Wolf Lord of the Wolftime in Wolfville.

Black Templars will be next. The last BT release was a failure due to a Codex that wasn't broken (unlike the Armageddon sub-list, which due to its power and popularity caused BT's to get their own Codex), so no one really played them, McNeil got gak-canned from writing Codices, and GW were left with tons and tons and tons of expensive Black Templar Rhino/Land Raider door sprues that nobody wanted (note how they don't make those any more - just the icons to stick onto the doors - far smarter). This time around they have a chance to really put their plastic technology to work and make a Black Templar box that simply gaks all over the original upgrade sprue (which I still love).

So more torsos and helmets, but rather than an upgrade, they're a full box. Sadly, they'll be 5 models for the cost of 10 rather than a full 10 man box, a bit like the overpriced Death Company box, but if we're lucky, we'll get a box that has 10 models, and maybe has 8 Marines and 2 new Black Templar-specific Scouts. That would be very cool.

AlexHolker wrote:Personally, I'd like to see GW release PDF updates for the Black Templars and Dark Angels, then not touch Space Marines again until everything else is up to date.

Makes perfect sense. I mean, all companies should neglect their highest selling products to ensure that the rest get a good look at.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Makes perfect sense. I mean, all companies should neglect their highest selling products to ensure that the rest get a good look at.

Are they the highest selling product per mould machined or codex written, or only if taken in aggregate? Did more people buy the Death Company box than would have bought something like a Sisters of Battle squad?

SoloFalcon:

It isn't about needing an update to be competitive, it's about needing an update to be in line with the current ruleset, and to be in line with their current vision for how the rules work. I completely agree that BT can be a strong army, but so can Dark Eldar, and both have old codexes and will get new ones sooner rather than later. Sometimes, old codexes are also terrible armies, but not always.

I just don't see how, outside of one rule that even the FAQ addresses as working just fine as written, that the Templars need a new codex...

Nthing the whole "Black Templars updated to be in line with new codices" idea. They function pretty well at the moment, but there's stuff like storm shields, land raiders, and points costs that could be rejiggered. I think GW would rather update all Space Marine books to 5th ed standards for consistency's sake than update the DA to be competitive or something. After Templars, I could see Chaos Marines or Dark Angels coming up. They released close to each other, and are both from that mercifully short lived "minimalist" codex era.