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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot






Maryland, USA

Does anyone here play Fast and Dirty? It was what I dabbled with briefly before returning to 40k due to a lack of thinking players in my area.

For those who have not heard of it, FAD is a sci fi / modern (i.e. shooty) game that uses a 1d6 or 2d6 roll to resolve all shooting. It's different from 40k in that you can customize what your guys are like (a big plus in my book), though it's not as intricate as some similar games. It's nice that a squad of 10 or 20 men doesn't have to roll a boat load of dice to see if they kill anything. Check it out, it's free. Forums are kinda down atm since the creator is busy making 4th edition (and real life) and a little spam bot has taken up residence...

http://www.freewebs.com/weaselfierce/

M.

Codex: Soyuzki - A fluffy guidebook to my Astra Militarum subfaction. Now version 0.6!
Another way would be to simply slide the landraider sideways like a big slowed hovercraft full of eels. -pismakron
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Out-of-the-loop from November 2010 - November 2017 so please excuse my ignorance!
 
   
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Brigadier General






Chicago

I downloaded the rules before my last computer crash, but never bothered to try them out. A few questions for you.

How does the complexity level compare to 40k?

How does it handle vehicles?

How long does a game equiavlent to a 1500pt 40k game take to completion?

I've enjoyed playing Song of Blades and Heroes for a while now, and am looking into the realm of generic (not tied to a specific miniatures set) fast-play rules sets for Sci-Fi. If it plays faster and easier than 40k, (I don't mind if it's a bit more abstract) I might give FAD a try.

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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot






Maryland, USA

Thanks for your interest; I'll try and answer your questions the best I can.

Complexity, in terms of how the rules go, I think it's slightly more complex. Units can become suppressed and pinned, which is a major part of the game's strategy.

Instead of a given model shooting and hitting based on his personal statistic alone, it's a combination of quality, volume of fire and the cover level the enemy is in. There are no buckets of dice; every squad rolls 2d6 and adds bonuses based on how many there are, the presence of machine guns, etc to get a score which is divided by the opponents cover level to determine how many enemy models are hit.

The game is not I Go U Go, but alternating activations.

Troops come in 4 quality levels: Rabble, which is like guys literally just given guns; Conscript, which is supposed to represent your average "just finished basic" style trooper; Regular, which is superior trained or seasoned troops; and Elite, which is Elite. Quality gives you bonuses to fire, to morale, and gives you a number of inches that dictate "point blank range" and how far apart the models can be when moving. This ranges from 2" at Rabble to 5" at Elite or 6" if you have power armor.

This "basic range" is multiplied by the weapon your trooper has; no weapon has a set range. F.E. a "Low Tech Rifle" like a Kar 98k or an M1 Garand multiplies your base range by x5. In the hands of a "regular" (4" base range), this gives you short range, or 20". This is doubled to 40" to find medium range, and tripled to 60" to find long range. Weapons are rather long ranged in this game; it's all about the cover.

There's a system for customizing your troops, giving them weapons, equipment and quality and then deriving a point value from it; there's also a system to settle that by rolling randomly. This is what turns most of my friends off to the game; 40k has a system where everything is given, requiring no real effort on their part.

Vehicles were kind of tacked on at the last moment a few editions ago, and the current edition under works seeks to upgrade it. It allows in it's current state battles between whole tank units, completely devoid of infantry, if the players wish it. It's ok in this edition, but the next edition is supposed to offer more flexibility in design in addition to fixing some rule issues. The "typical" game is really supposed to be vehicle light for the most part, though there are some nice

A game equal to 1500 points of 40k could take 10 minutes to two hours or more; it really depends. Units can die fast if you just leave them out in the open to get slaughtered. They can also stay at far ranges and dig into cover and be difficult to remove. On the whole I suppose it would take about a half hour if both players are on the move. I haven't done 1.5k point games in 40k I'm afraid :/

Hope this helped!

M.

Codex: Soyuzki - A fluffy guidebook to my Astra Militarum subfaction. Now version 0.6!
Another way would be to simply slide the landraider sideways like a big slowed hovercraft full of eels. -pismakron
Sometimes a little murder is necessary in this hobby. -necrontyrOG

Out-of-the-loop from November 2010 - November 2017 so please excuse my ignorance!
 
   
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Brigadier General






Chicago

Thanks M.
Sounds like a pretty good system. I'll probably pass it by for now though as I'm looking for something noticably less complex and faster than 40k.

Still, if I get the urge to put my 40k figures in an environment that's more sci-Fiction and less Sci-Fantasy I may give it a shot.

Appreciated.

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Visit the Chicago Valley Railroad!
https://chicagovalleyrailroad.blogspot.com 
   
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot






Maryland, USA

Well, it's been my experience that it is certainly faster than 40k, so there's that.

M.

Codex: Soyuzki - A fluffy guidebook to my Astra Militarum subfaction. Now version 0.6!
Another way would be to simply slide the landraider sideways like a big slowed hovercraft full of eels. -pismakron
Sometimes a little murder is necessary in this hobby. -necrontyrOG

Out-of-the-loop from November 2010 - November 2017 so please excuse my ignorance!
 
   
 
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