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Have never played in a 40k tournament before, but one day i will. My question is are oop figures aloud in tournaments or every tournament has its own requirements? For example can you use the the last Daemon prince they produced, the metal one, or does it have to be the new updated plastic daemon prince currently out now. Trying too figure out if i have too update my current armies to enter into a tournament.

As long as it is clear which models are which, then you can use a suitable model from any period.

I still use RT-era IG and Marines, old Nids, Genestealer Cult models, Talisman, Judge Dredd, etc. I've never had a problem.

But just to be clear:

The tournament organizer is the person who ultimately decides this, so you should definitely check with them if you are ever unsure.


But yes, I've never seen a tournament have an issue with older versions of the same model unless someone is clearly attempting to utilize it to gain an in-game advantage (like using the old 1st edition tiny Eldar Avatar model in order to hide him behind terrain and other models to get a cover save, for example).

As long as it's not a model from another manufacturer, you'll be good.

Some don't even care about that part, we allow non-GW models in our local tourneys. GW doesn't provide any prize support (and damn little rules support), so why should we limit our players model choices.

don_mondo wrote:Some don't even care about that part, we allow non-GW models in our local tourneys. GW doesn't provide any prize support (and damn little rules support), so why should we limit our players model choices.

Bear in mind that the independent tourneys have different restrictions than the grand tournaments by Games Workshop. As long as it clearly represents what it should, I've never seen and independent tournament care much about where the models came from.

With a Games Workshop tournament, you need to use GW models (Including ForgeWorld) if there is one available. They don't really care how old the model is, as long as it is one of theirs.

It's basically been said already, but generally it's going to be up to the individual tournament organizers. Even in the case of the Indy Circuit GT's directly supported with thousands of dollars of prize support from GW ... Games Workshop itself doesn't care.

We asked this question of the guy who runs the circuit from the GW end, and he goes out of his way to suggest that it wouldn't be an INDEPENDENT circuit if they tried to force us to run things a certain way.

Generally, most tournaments will NOT care what you use, so long as it is WYSIWYG and sized appropriately. This becomes irrelevant advice if you're playing in a GW-run GT, or at a local Games Workshop, where you don't even need to ask - appropriately sized, WYSIWYG GW models or bust.

what about Grey knights? you cant buy them any more, so are they tournament legal?

Grey Knights are "Current Issue" even if they're no longer available. They're the last thing GW came out with in the range, so they're legal.

GW has absolutely no authority in most tournaments.. Most models are legal as long as they have the right wargear and look appropriate

Havent been to a tournament where they run your models through a scanner to determine the proper GW to non-gw parts ratio :p

Its a competitive event after all, a model is merely a visual representation of the rules.. it has very little effect on the game itself

Wolflord Patrick wrote:Bear in mind that the independent tourneys have different restrictions than the grand tournaments by Games Workshop. As long as it clearly represents what it should, I've never seen and independent tournament care much about where the models came from.

With a Games Workshop tournament, you need to use GW models (Including ForgeWorld) if there is one available. They don't really care how old the model is, as long as it is one of theirs.

Interesting...I have been told that even though Forge World is a subsidiary of Games Workshop, it's not technically the same company, and therefore their models aren't allowed. It's something that's always kept me from buying any of their stuff.

woodbok wrote:what about Grey knights? you cant buy them any more, so are they tournament legal?

Creon wrote:Grey Knights are "Current Issue" even if they're no longer available. They're the last thing GW came out with in the range, so they're legal.

I've never seen or heard of a tournament with any rules about 'current issue'. Generally, in a GW tournament, if the model has EVER been produced by GW, it's legal. Otherwise, every SM army would become illegal every time they released a new edition and updated the line.

The grey area is usually basing. RAW, you have to glue the model to the base it came with, no other. Generally, a tournament will allow either the base the model came with OR the current-issue sized base. So, if you have old metal terminators, you can mount them on 25mm or 40mm, it's your choice.

I still use two oop Keepers of Secrets, mounted on the original square 40mm monster bases they were issued with in 1989ish. I've never had a complaint in a tournament.

One thing that aggravates me in regards to basing is the fact that GW doesn't list what base to use for each model in a codex. There are numerous codex entries that don't have models. Thunderwolf Cavalry for example. Can I just put them on any base I feel like? Simply stating the size of base to use for characters that don't have official models would get rid of this problem.

don_mondo wrote:Some don't even care about that part, we allow non-GW models in our local tourneys. GW doesn't provide any prize support (and damn little rules support), so why should we limit our players model choices.

QFT

Just make sure they are on the proper size bases. I have been to numerous tournaments and have seen people bring Other companies models, old stuff, new stuff and everything in-between. The only thing I have ever seen someone called on more than once has been bases. Over the years GW has changed basing formats for several models (Termies and Guard Hvy Weapons to name 2.) So just make sure your stuff is on the proper bases and all should be well.

beezley1981 wrote:
Interesting...I have been told that even though Forge World is a subsidiary of Games Workshop, it's not technically the same company, and therefore their models aren't allowed. It's something that's always kept me from buying any of their stuff.

I've never heard of anyone disallowing FW models - it's usually just that FW rules are disallowed. You can use the models as codex entries. You'd be absolutely fine using, say, the new Iron Armour on your marines. But you aren't allowed to bring a Caestus Assault Ram unless the TO specifically states otherwise.

People did occasionally moan (even outside tournaments) that my Deathwing terminators were still on 25mm bases, but they're actually still sold that way by GW (unlike non-DW terminators). Still, I have gradually been replacing them with 40mm bases, to quiet down the whingers and because they look better...

GW will smarten up their game once more tournaments run non-GW only policies. There is no justification for it whatsoever.

Last I remember of GW Big Grand Tournement was something like "At least 75% of your army (Or Figure/Unit) must be GW material"

Not sure if that stands.

Example, My Razorback with "Assault Cannons" (Cocktail sticks bundled together into a WW2 Tank turret) was fine because the Hull was A Rhino.

But generally Speaking any OOP models should be fine as there still GW.

If I remember my GW tourney-fu (and I haven't played in anything of theirs besides Ard Boyz in close to a decade), the rule for conversions and such is/was 50% GW or something had to have it's base as a GW model.

As to other companies models in tournaments, with GW not running much in the States, local groups and stores have pretty much had to take in upon themselves to run events. Our local groups don't care so long as you 1) base it appropriately, 2) use something of the same general size, and 3) it looks cool. Even that last one is a stretch as I've seen some hideous conversions using toys.

As to the base issue, never had someone complain about old terminators on smaller bases, or my Eldar Avatar on his 60mm, I hated the old square base he came with in the 90s, so I replaced it with two glued together dread bases (from the days when they were flat disks). Different strokes though and it's best to check with a tournament organizer before assuming something will be kosher.

The real issue in question is old termies on 25mm bases and old school rhinos that are much smaller than modern rhinos.

Termies can be rebased, but rhinos can't change size. Some players are very activly crying foul saying small rhinos are modeling for advantage. Waac ba players actively looking for old rhinos to gain an advantage are adding fuel to the fire.

Only word of advice is bases matey.

Rule is you must use the bases supplied for the models. Seems straight forward enough. However, some models (Terminators, Daemon Prince, Meganobz) have had a couple of different base sizes, so it might be worth upgrading to the larger ones, just in case.

I've not come across the rhino thing -- that's unfortunate. All the rhinos and razorbacks in my DA army are old ones, partly 'cos I like the look of them, partly 'cos they're cheaper than new ones on eBay...

GW should do what they do in warhammer - a basing chart.

schadenfreude wrote:The real issue in question is old termies on 25mm bases and old school rhinos that are much smaller than modern rhinos.

Termies can be rebased, but rhinos can't change size. Some players are very activly crying foul saying small rhinos are modeling for advantage. Waac ba players actively looking for old rhinos to gain an advantage are adding fuel to the fire.

The rhino thing is a bit of hyperbole.. The old rhino is like 3mm smaller in length than the current one and its the same width. However it LOOKS much smaller because its angled differently and yes it is a bit smaller in height but that doesnt prevent cover saves

Smaller yes.. "much" smaller is an exaggeration. Terminators arent much of an issue either considering smaller bases are generally more of a detriment than a benefit

Mr Mystery wrote:Rule is you must use the bases supplied for the models. Seems straight forward enough. However, some models (Terminators, Daemon Prince, Meganobz) have had a couple of different base sizes, so it might be worth upgrading to the larger ones, just in case.

Basing a model on a base different than the one it came with is breaking the RAW. I don't think I'd care to play in any event that tried to tell me that I had to do the direct opposite of what the rulebook says to have a legal model, and I certainly wouldn't illegally rebase my models in case a tournament decided to go with the opposite of what the rules say. If some random newbie wants to make a fuss because I use 100% GW, 100% legal models that have been based as they are for longer than he's been playing, and possibly longer than he's been alive, I'm certainly not going to give in to him.

Hmmm,

So I have a question. Base to Base contact, and measuring from base to base (like cohesiveness). This would be beneficial for a larger base, but template weapons and deep-strike, this would make smaller bases more effective.

I find 30mm bases on the internet to look better, and since I have many pits without bases, I wanted to see how this effected other players. Is it legal, will I be told I can not field my army in a tournament?

My Bikes, they are without bases, some lost, some from ebay, some built from mixed sets:

Would I have to buy normal 25mm x 70mm bases?

Could I join Tournaments without bases?

Could I purchase better looking 30mm x 80mm bases?

Could I purchase resin bases at 28mm x 72mm?

Thread is being locked due to thread necromancy.

I think given the length of time and edition changes involved we're best leaving this thread to lay in peace, feel free to start a more current/up to date on if you so desire.