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Real quick question, if a group of orcs has a painboy and a warboss joins the unit does he gain FNP rule also?
A friend just asked me, I play guard and have run independent char once; it was everyone's favorite commissar.

ElaborateLove wrote:Real quick question, if a group of orcs has a painboy and a warboss joins the unit does he gain FNP rule also?

Yes.

Doc's Tools say the unit gets FnP. The Warboss, while attached, is considered part of the unit.

thank you sir, and what a lovely avatar you have.

Any IC that joins the unit with a Painboy will get FNP for as long as he is attached to that unit. The IC will continue to get FNP as long as he doesn't leave the unit and the Painboy is still alive.

In CC doesnt he count as his own unit? I know in shooting he would be a member of the painboyz unit but in CC does the wording change that makes him fight on his own also make him lose the painboy buff?

He counts as part of the unit he was joined in, except you are given special permission to single him out in combat.

This is why he takes leadership checks with the rest of the unit and No Retreat! wounds with the rest of the unit as well.

He "counts as" a separate unit in CC, he isnt ACTUALLY a separate unit so would still gain the benefits.

Gwar! wrote:

ElaborateLove wrote:Real quick question, if a group of orcs has a painboy and a warboss joins the unit does he gain FNP rule also?

Yes.

Doc's Tools say the unit gets FnP. The Warboss, while attached, is considered part of the unit.

So if everyone in the ork unit get FnP then for blood angels, The Red Thirst would effect an IC that is joined with the unit. but I remember the thread where you stated that the IC does not get TRT from the unit, So which is it?

taken from http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/316153.page#1929745

DeathReaper wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

ElaborateLove wrote:Real quick question, if a group of orcs has a painboy and a warboss joins the unit does he gain FNP rule also?

Yes.

Doc's Tools say the unit gets FnP. The Warboss, while attached, is considered part of the unit.

So if everyone in the ork unit get FnP then for blood angels, The Red Thirst would effect an IC that is joined with the unit. but I remember the thread where you stated that the IC does not get TRT from the unit, So which is it?

taken from http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/316153.page#1929745

That distinction was made in that thread and elsewhere.

FNP is conferred by a wargear item that affects the entire unit.

TRT is a special rule exclusive to that unit that is not conferred to attached ICs.

Now quit bringing up old discussions in new ones that are entirely irrelevant to the old ones.

SaintHazard wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

ElaborateLove wrote:Real quick question, if a group of orcs has a painboy and a warboss joins the unit does he gain FNP rule also?

Yes.

Doc's Tools say the unit gets FnP. The Warboss, while attached, is considered part of the unit.

So if everyone in the ork unit get FnP then for blood angels, The Red Thirst would effect an IC that is joined with the unit. but I remember the thread where you stated that the IC does not get TRT from the unit, So which is it?

taken from http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/316153.page#1929745

That distinction was made in that thread and elsewhere.

FNP is conferred by a wargear item that affects the entire unit.

TRT is a special rule exclusive to that unit that is not conferred to attached ICs.

Now quit bringing up old discussions in new ones that are entirely irrelevant to the old ones.

FnP has an effect on the unit, TRT has an effect on the unit, how is it different just cause its wargear?

Edit: P.S. was just asking a question guy...

DeathReaper wrote:FnP has an effect on the unit, TRT has an effect on the unit, how is it different just cause its wargear?

If you honestly cannot see the difference, then you have bigger problems quite frankly.

Reaper - I believe that is because its a unit special rule.
Painboys give the rule to the whole unit, so he is the provider.

The BA example though is a unit in its own right with a special rule that affects only them (much like if a chappy joins death company, he wont get FNP)

However, if a priest joins a tac squad, he provides them FNP with his special rule (as it states so)

Gwar! wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:FnP has an effect on the unit, TRT has an effect on the unit, how is it different just cause its wargear?

If you honestly cannot see the difference, then you have bigger problems quite frankly.

thank you for the non response, I was just asking a question.

TRT affects a unit, the wargear affects a unit, was all i was saying.

SaintHazard wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

ElaborateLove wrote:Real quick question, if a group of orcs has a painboy and a warboss joins the unit does he gain FNP rule also?

Yes.

Doc's Tools say the unit gets FnP. The Warboss, while attached, is considered part of the unit.

So if everyone in the ork unit get FnP then for blood angels, The Red Thirst would effect an IC that is joined with the unit. but I remember the thread where you stated that the IC does not get TRT from the unit, So which is it?

taken from http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/316153.page#1929745

That distinction was made in that thread and elsewhere.

FNP is conferred by a wargear item that affects the entire unit.

TRT is a special rule exclusive to that unit that is not conferred to attached ICs.

Now quit bringing up old discussions in new ones that are entirely irrelevant to the old ones.

I would have to disagree with you that that's irrelevant. If the conclusions for questions about similar situation are different then it's perfectly reasonable to ask for clarification to ensure that they were both valid.

..I can appreciate that it's easy to assume that someone is deliberately being obtuse or awkward when they ask for a clarification/similar, but if we could please try and maintain a tad more civility it would make things much nicer wouldn't it eh ? Similarly if you wish to raise an issue you feel is connected then it would be prudent to phrase ones request in a polite manner, if only to ensure that simple misunderstandings don't escalate into rash tomfoolery. Ta.

SamplesoWoopass wrote:I would have to disagree with you that that's irrelevant. If the conclusions for questions about similar situation are different then it's perfectly reasonable to ask for clarification to ensure that they were both valid.

Except that you didn't have to sit through the seven or however many pages in that obnoxious thread. I really don't want that can of worms (which shouldn't be a can of worms in the first place, as the rules are 100% clear) opened again.

Yes- It gives FNP to the whole unit.

A quick clarification to my knowledge:

A unit with a special rule does not pass that on to any characters that join it, unless it states it in said rule. (if my Nid prime joined stealers, thier fleet would be lost, along with any special rules they dont both have, and again, like my last example of death company not giving FNP to characters that join them)

However, certain models will confer abilities (sang. priest, pain boy etc) to the unit, and also any who join it (as it states the rule affects the whole unit)

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:A quick clarification to my knowledge:

A unit with a special rule does not pass that on to any characters that join it, unless it states it in said rule. (if my Nid prime joined stealers, thier fleet would be lost, along with any special rules they dont both have, and again, like my last example of death company not giving FNP to characters that join them)

However, certain models will confer abilities (sang. priest, pain boy etc) to the unit, and also any who join it (as it states the rule affects the whole unit)

This is 100% correct.

SaintHazard wrote:
Except that you didn't have to sit through the seven or however many pages in that obnoxious thread.

Neither did you.



On topic.

To me the difference between a special rule conferred by a piece of wargear to a unit and the special rule of a unit is clear.

One transfers to any IC as he is part of the unit, and the other doesn't because the special rule doesn't specify that it transfers (rulebook, page 48)

One rule is "given" to the (entire) unit. The other "belongs" to the unit.

put it in RL terms (which explains this case a bit more clearly)

If you join a group of soldiers does that make you a soldier? No

If you join a group of soldiers with a really good doctor does that give you access to that doctor? yes....

Does the doctor have orders to prioritize the lives of the fighting soldiers over the civilian that is tagging along?

DevianID wrote:Does the doctor have orders to prioritize the lives of the fighting soldiers over the civilian that is tagging along?

Does it matter?

Oh, cool, we're in "fluffrules" territory now?

Do I get to start ranting about how my Orks never lose now?

I'm afraid not. Haven't you read the latest BL novel? Boss snikrot appears on Jerry springer to discuss his race's violent tendencies. According to a poll taken after the show, 90% of orks think that talking is the answer.