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I've always thought that superman was kind of lame. In my eyes he's hardly a hero; when batman or spider- man go to stop a bank robbery there's a chance they will be shot and killed. there is inherent risk in their actions. superman doesn't have to worry about your average bank robber having kryptonite bullets nor does he have to worry about being outmatched physically.
He also doesn't seem to have any mental hang-ups.
He's just too perfect to relate to.
On a slightly less serious note, Superman isn't supposed to be like Batman so I'm not sure it is a fair comparison. They come from two different storytelling legacies. One is founded in crime novels and the other is Mythology. He is admittedly a more difficult character to write for because of his immense powers but when a story is good it tends to be very good. His struggle are more with trying to inspire people to their better natures because he has such god-like power and yet he uses it selflessly. The best stories tend to play on that notion and show that it isn't always a simple choice for him: he does get angry, he can't always save everyone, sometimes he has to let the bad guy go because it is the right thing as opposed to the easy thing. I didn't really care for him much when I was younger but as I got older I began to appreciate that he is more complex than just being a big blue boy scout. In many ways his job is more difficult than Batman's because he is out in the open.
That being said, most stories don't utilize him well.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Yeah, like Ahtman says Superman doesn't really work on the scale of Batman and Spiderman movies, which is why you shouldn't spend time telling stories about Superman stopping robberies. That Superman Returns stopped in the middle of the plot to show him effortlessly defeating some robbers with ludicrous levels of hardware just goes to show the kind of mess that movie was*.
Instead you need to tell stories on a different level. Superman may not be in physical danger, but he might be in moral peril, or he might need to help someone else make the right choice. Or he might risk losing someone he loves.
*GG, yeah, I also kind of liked it. I mean, Bryan Singer is a top line director and he treated the material with great respect but really I don't think they ever really clarified what they wanted to do with the project and the whole thing ended up something of a structural mess. Looked good though.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Ahtman wrote:
That being said, most stories don't utilize him well.
This.
The character can, and shold be written well. I think though that a lot of the silver and especially the golden age stories have given out odd signals with regards to what he is about.
These days especially I think that he is fundamentally a decent and a ncie character makes him all the more unique, if not iconic. But that's enough about All Star Superman anyway..
And it's not like he doesn't have his own concerns and worries as well.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
MasterDRD wrote:So I heard on the radio that Christopher Nolan and Zack Snyder are re-remaking Superman. Sounds awesome.
Thoughts?
Sounds like crap. Count me out. I have no interest in Superman movies.
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I love comics, have since i was a lad, but ive no time for Superman.
Dont get me wrong, being a nerd ive read plenty of them, but i never really liked the bloke, i think Jeph Loeb and Tim Sales comics were the only ones i recall genuinelly enjoying. And that must be a while back now cos i was reading an issue in the car when my mate crashed.. what? 8 or 9 years back now?
The guy was the first and worst of the basic comic book hero. He is just.. super?
I think the endearing qualities that other heros have i.e real life problems are what makes them so popular, Marvel realised this and made a glut of them, Ironman was an alco, Spidey was a nerotic nerd who struggled to pay his rent, DD was blind etc..
But what annoys me about Superman is he was PRETENDING to be a nerd, when really he was super all along!
And i like it when spidey or batman are all beat up and they dig deep to win it.. they only introduced kryptonite back in the day because they quickly realised that a guy who can do anything gets old real quick.
And last but not least, Spidey (been my fav since i was a boy) wears a full face mask. Batman covers most of his face and masks his voice.
Superman takes his fething glasses off.
What type of investigative reporters do they have at the Globe if they cant even figure that one out?!
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thing about Supes is that his power levels have fluctuated (i.e. grown) so much over the years. Originally he took leaps of a quarter-mile and was bulletproof (and had no problem with killing, but that's another discussion). Then in the Silver Age going into the '70s, the writers seemed mostly interested in topping his last feat of strength, which eventually led to him pushing planets around. They even *halved* his powers at one point in the '70s, bringing him all the way down to "impossibly, ludicrously powerful." So no real help there. And unfortunately that power level made it into the movies, where he can turn back time, throw islands into space, etc. Which puts him at a godlike level rather than being merely inspirational and aspirational.
In comparison, that Superman animated series back in the '90s had his powers at a much more reasonable level. When he got punched in the face by a giant robot, he felt it. If Nolan/Goyer/Snyder bring the power level down well out of the godlike level, I think it'll lend itself to a more character-driven story and some action with actual tension.
I suppose you could say Superman Returns tried to be a more character-driven story, but it just hit all the wrong notes.
Kanluwen wrote:But as a sidenote, it's a Good Thing that they're using Zod for the movie.
You got anything to back that up that isn't a rumor?
Nolan and Snyder flatout saying it, along with Goyer(who's writing the script and did Batman Begins).
It was all over the articles on Monday when this story first broke.
Do you always overreact to reasonable questions? This isn't a Merchant-Ivory piece, this is a comic book movie and they are always surrounded with false information based more on hopes and dreams than any reality. The number of false claims on Batman 3 alone could stun a team of oxen in their tracks.
Zod is boring, they should have gone bigger and more original; it would be nice to get a villain that hasn't already been used once before.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I just said that Nolan and Snyder both confirmed it, along with David Goyer stating it.
And the "false claims" for Batman 3 aren't coming from Nolan or Goyer. They're coming from actor's agents, presumably to stir up interest in bringing them in for it.
As for Zod being boring...maybe. But at the same time he's a good "entry level" villain. You can't really just throw Apocalypse or Darkseid in there.
Your post had a...tone...that seemed edgy or irritated.
The original article I read didn't say anything about the script (other than it being really rough still) so when I saw another with the title "Snyder selected as Director" or variation, why would I bother to reread it? That is a pretty big piece of info, not some throwaway.
I also didn't say that the info about Batman came from Nolan or Goyer so I don't know where you got that from. You seemed to have got caught up on the words 'Batman 3' and missed the bigger point that comic book films are surrounded by rumor, regardless of the specific film, so it isn't unreasonable to want to know if there is verification.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Your post had a...tone...that seemed edgy or irritated.
The original article I read didn't say anything about the script (other than it being really rough still) so when I saw another with the title "Snyder selected as Director" or variation, why would I bother to reread it? That is a pretty big piece of info, not some throwaway.
I also didn't say that the info about Batman came from Nolan or Goyer so I don't know where you got that from. You seemed to have got caught up on the words 'Batman 3' and missed the bigger point that comic book films are surrounded by rumor, regardless of the specific film, so it isn't unreasonable to want to know if there is verification.
Then that was misreading on your part, and I should have added a smiley to prevent it!
On Monday, when SyFy's news service posted the story, there was a snippet in there from Goyer mentioning that he was beginning a script and including General Zod was the main bad guy because "Superman needs a supervillain to really shine."
It has since been redacted, to read just "Goyer is working on the script, with a villain in mind already who would properly convey a sense of danger to the Man of Steel".
As for the Batman rumors...
Very rarely do any of the rumors swirling around comic movies begin directly with the people in charge.
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Kanluwen wrote:As for the Batman rumors...
Very rarely do any of the rumors swirling around comic movies begin directly with the people in charge.
That is why I asked for confirmation. If you go back and read your post, you didn't say "Nolan stated..." you just wrote that Zod was the villain. Again, it has nothing actually to do with Batman, I could have said Iron Man, or the new Spider-Man (Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy btw).
I think the real question is this: Brandon Routh, keep or replace?
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Superman has enough movies about how he became superman. Superman Returns and Small-whatever. Ok We know how he became superman. It don't need it told to us again.
But Christopher Nolan is really good at movies and Jack Snyder. I don't like the other fail movies he made like The Spirit, the others that just sucked. Sin City was just plain stupid in my opinion. 300 was really slowed with all the slow motion effects. Too much blah blah blah talking. Dawn of the Dead was one of the movies I liked. I rather like it was just Nolan. Jack Snyder just makes fail movies.
Hopefully it won't have any crazy stupid light effects and no stupid dialogue and boring narration. I want it to be like the Dark Knight.
and Superman needs his big muscles. no lame actor with very little muscle. Make the suit look like he has big muscles.
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Warboss Narznok wrote:But Christopher Nolan is really good at movies and Jack Snyder. I don't like the other fail movies he made like The Spirit, the others that just sucked. Sin City was just plain stupid in my opinion. 300 was really slowed with all the slow motion effects. Too much blah blah blah talking. Dawn of the Dead was one of the movies I liked. I rather like it was just Nolan. Jack Snyder just makes fail movies.
I...wha..huh...the?...
For starters it is Zack Snyder. This is easy to find out because it is in the original post. Second, he had nothing to do with the Spirit or with Sin City. Those were directed by Frank Miller, and Frank Miller & Robert Rodriguez, respectively.
I have to go take an aspirin now.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
It might be good, I like Snyder's movies and Nolan seems to be at his best.
And though I liked the "new" movie because it brought me back to another time (that wonderful time of Back to the Future, Indiana Jones, etc) when I started watching movies... the choice of villain was awful.
"I'm going to land on that isl... wait... it's kryptonite... Dang!"
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I'd proffer what others have said. A superhero that is nigh omnipotent is nigh unwatchable.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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So no real help there. And unfortunately that power level made it into the movies, where he can turn back time, throw islands into space, etc. Which puts him at a godlike level rather than being merely inspirational and aspirational.
