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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 18:51:29
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I wonder if your ISP is blocking his domain thinking it's a spammer
that generally seems to be the main reason for not receiving email newsletters from a wide variety of sources
(PM me your email address and I'll forward mine to you if you want it?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/03 14:40:55
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Wraith
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Bought a Necromancer. Seriously love that model.
So, any chance we get the Lantern festival without shipping costs?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/03 15:04:38
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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[DCM]
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gunslingerpro wrote:Bought a Necromancer. Seriously love that model.
So, any chance we get the Lantern festival without shipping costs?
I think that's unlikely...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/03 15:06:14
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Indeed, I've already told my brother that it was his turn this time round to cough up the shipping, which will no doubt have to be paid in a short time window again, just like last time..
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 05:35:48
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Update #100. Lantern Festival - Canceled
As of this moment, I have canceled the Lantern Festival.
WHY!?
There are a lot of reasons. Most importantly, it failed to live up to my expectations.
It goes on, in detail, and people need to read this for themselves.
I did not see that coming. At all.
I understand exactly where Adam is coming from, though.
Oh, yeah, this, too...
KD:M Kickstarter 2
On November 25th, Black Friday. We will be launching our 2nd Kingdom Death: Monster campaign. The focus of the campaign will start on a reprint of the sold out Kingdom Death: Monster core set with an 1.4 ruleset. (Current version of the game is 1.31). An upgrade pack with the rulebook and updated cards will be available for existing fans.
I wonder if he'll relaunch a "proper" Lantern Festival boxed set with armor, etc. that corrects the deficiencies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 05:36:40
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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The Lantern Festival was cancelled, and those that pledged it have been issued a full refund.
As of this moment, I have canceled the Lantern Festival.
This was a very hard decision to make. It comes from a place of utmost respect and dedication to the brand... not common sense or practical business money-making logic.
Everyone is being issued a $45 refund (per pledged lantern festival) via paypal. We are covering the -11% kickstarter fees that we lost from funds collected during the 2012-2013 campaign. If you do not have a paypal account at that email address, you can easily set one up by following the instructions on your refund email from paypal.
WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE SALE OF PLEDGES. If you sold your pledge or bought a pledge from another individual, you must contact them. We can only send the refund to the official email address we have on file.
If you have any issues, need help, would prefer store credit or would simply like us to keep the money and waive your refund, please visit our support page at kingdomdeath.com/support for more information and to contact us.
I was unsatisfied with the expansion. It failed to live up to the Kingdom Death standard. In the future, it is likely that I will create another product that uses the same miniatures but it will not be the Lantern Festival I pitched in the 2012 - 2013 kickstarter. I love Kingdom Death and the sad fact is that we are all stuck with a crazy creator!
WHY!?
There are a lot of reasons. Most importantly, it failed to live up to my expectations.
That’s not a good enough reason!
I agree. I’ll elaborate. It all ties back to the essential experiences that make up Kingdom Death: Monster. Overwhelming odds, tactical strategy, evolution, surprises, accessibility, hard developmental choices and building survivor miniatures. Lantern Festival had some, but NOT all of these things.
It was pitched to EXTEND the current timeline, meaning only the small fraction of players who completed the core game could enjoy it, killing its accessibility. Most of our player base has yet to finish playing all the current expansions, which makes extending the main campaign in the way the Lantern Festival was pitched, a less than ideal choice.
Since there were no armor sets (just the twilight cloak), it led to a significant lack of accomplishment and not much evolution. The game felt incomplete when you weren’t chasing a new armor set or making hard decisions about the best gear you could make from a hand of resources. It left Lantern Festival without that feeling of evolution.
KD:M is a series of hard-fought, uphill climbs and moments of respite to recover or push the development of your settlement. Imagine a titan’s staircase. Your gaming group is trying to tackle it. After a vertical climb, you get an easier horizontal walk to recovery and start to plan the next vertical challenge. Lantern Festival lacked those horizontal moments, wherein you made major developmental choices that would affect the overall outcome.
Without all those elements in concert, it could never be a proper encore to the spectacular performance of KD:M.
To be a proper encore It would need to be more like a new core set, with the focus of the settlement shifted to be more macro, dealing with a developing town instead of a small settlement. Since that is not what was pitched, nor is it what we worked toward on its first development cycle, I am refunding everyone instead of releasing content I can’t stand behind. The realization of what this particular part of the Kingdom Death world needed to be, was simply to large in scope for the funds that were raised to create it.
Lastly, it was also just plain crazy to write a game extension BEFORE the game and its tons of expansions were in the hands of players playing the game.
Call it vanity, creator responsibility (or lack thereof), or proof of my utmost respect for our fans and player base. This was a very hard (and very expensive) decision to make. I could have just put something “all-right” out and kept the money.
When playing it safe, pulling punches and putting out content that doesn’t make me pee a little with excitement becomes the norm. I’ll let you know to the tune of “Sellout” by Reel Big Fish, silly trumpets and all. I’ll “skank” my way over to the bank and slam dunk the deposit box!
Now onto the rest of it.
Card Pack
Last campaign, we kickstarted the plastic production of many single miniatures. Some of these were included in the Survival Level reward box and others, like the Messengers and crossover projects were pledged for separately. We created challenge scenarios and released a PDF collection of them with the promise that we'd later print a physical card pack of the final versions for their gear. The challenge scenarios ended up having little to do with the core KD:M experience and while many fans appreciate them, it was clear that future development should be steered in a different direction.
We started a new round of plastic production, re-introducing several of the models again, but this time with much more interesting and campaign involved rules. I promised that we would put together a card pack that contained these new assets, for fans that already have the miniatures from the first campaign.
SO! We will be combining all of this stuff + the newly developed gear cards and assets from the miniatures that are still missing them (the messengers, etc) Into one larger card pack that will be available on our store as promised. Because I want to ensure all the content is meaningful, we were not able to complete them all in time for this update. But I expect to have it ready early next year. It is going to be printed by a more reliable printer so that the card sizes and weight remain consistent with the game cards.
This is the last outstanding part of our campaign. Although I admit I am mixed to classify it as such, since its all NEW development based on player feedback from the game and the expansions all being out in the wilds for some time. Ultimately making it more work, but better quality than it would have been. The price of the card pack will be our raw cost + shipping. We are not aiming to make a dime off of it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 05:56:33
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I'll accept the refund, but I'm pretty disappointed that he didn't have an option for pledgers who just wanted the minis.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 06:12:11
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Myrmidon Officer
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Yeah, I'm rather disappointed.
I really wanted the minis, especially the King.
I was also curious about the fluff behind the aristocratic hunters with their guns. The Manhunter and his gun pretty much lacked all fluff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 06:19:56
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Dakka Veteran
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This is bs... I'm positive this goes deeper than "he didnt like it" I suspect he was going to lose far more money on product and shipping than that $45 refund. I bought this expansion solely on the models, and yet no option to still receive them. Then he tries and peddle us a t-shirt.... and asks for people to simply donate... wtf. The cult this man has created is just nutty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 06:28:28
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Serious Squig Herder
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What were the minis that went with the Lantern Festival?
Kinda disappointed in the artbook - felt very slapped together - which would have been fine, had it come out a month or so after the KS - but having been made to wait for it for like, 4 years now was expecting a little better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 06:33:23
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Dakka Veteran
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https://boardgamegeek.com/image/2209380/kingdom-death-monster-lantern-festival-expansion
The lantern festival had alot of good stuff packed in it. Given what he has said in relation to the final price of the other expansions is why I think he couldnt take the lose on this and rather than say that, asked us to take a t-shirt or donate our money to him instead....
Automatically Appended Next Post:
UGH The t-shirt infuriates me... The fact he is trying to profit off of not delivering an expansion years after it was promised to us is beyond disrespectful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 06:57:27
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The Lantern Festival minis should have been made available, and I can't imagine the tooling and pops going to waste.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 07:02:25
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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That's assuming tooling was actually done for the Festival in the first place.
We have no way of knowing how much plastic tooling was done for it.
Plus, like you guys mentioned, with the final costs of a lot of the current expansions, wouldn't surprise me to see it return as a proper expansion with a current expansion price tag.
Hopefully not into the triple digits, but we'll see.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 07:21:57
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I think the Lantern Festival was tooled and popped - recall that Adam had taken possession of all of the sprues from the plastic factory, and transferred them to the print factory.
Even without an Armor set or fancy rules, I'd be very surprised if the King and related minis came in under $100+ USD. It's far more substantial than any of the Knight sets.
The King, Scribe and the Twilight Cloak are each comparable to a Knight set. The Hunters are comparable to the Green Armor set.
That said, the Lantern Festival seemed a rather disjointed "grab bag" of minis. Of the lot, I only wanted the Twilight Cloak.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 07:42:28
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Myrmidon Officer
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There's going to be a lot of outrage and complaints once the next Kickstarter starts at the end of this month and the Lantern Festival gets announced as a $150 boxed set.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 08:12:44
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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What if it's 3x $50 sets?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 08:13:21
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Oh "no".
I do hope that former backers don't have to pay a f*ckload for an updated rulebook and whatnot. Ditto on that promised card pack, we pledged for a lot of that gak mainly because it was supposed to have ingame content!
But I guess we can finally tick this one off as "fulfilled" on the KS site then..
So, about those instructions, maybe they'll be done in time for fulfilment of the reprint then?
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 08:20:40
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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According to Adam, the card pack will be at cost + shipping.
I assume the rulebook will be inexpensive, and hope it'll be sold at/near cost.
However, I had also hoped that the rulebook would be available as a more premium hardback version...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 08:26:34
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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A sturdier book would be neat, but I'm not exactly hopeful.
A digital rulebook would be nice though, but I doubt that fits into the mindset of the creator.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 08:45:04
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Thermo-Optical Spekter
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I am not sure it will get announced, I might be wrong, I am expecting it to break into parts and get reworked.
I am more sad than disappointed, I understand it not working as he wanted and probably tried to not kill it for a long time, but if it did no deliver what he wanted and that is opening KDM for a "grander scale", from settlement to town, then better withdraw it and rework the idea.
I am looking forward to what new he has in store for the new KDM, maybe he reworks the endgame in the new rulebook.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 08:45:14
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sigh, there's only so much that "dedication to quality" can cover.
I was mostly interested in the miniatures, I would take them without any rules at all
Not cool
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 09:24:57
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot
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Seems a bit divaish to me, and the cash grab is a little too on the nose. Needless to say I won't be having a tshirt and honestly after this one I'll have serious reservations about backing another, 4 years for incomplete fulfillment just leaves a bit of a bad taste (especially as when he redos it it'll probably be triple the price).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 09:54:15
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Crafty Bray Shaman
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I had expected Poots to ask for more money for shipping again, but this is even more disappointing, but for me, the most disappointing thing is how this has been handled.
It seems pretty clear that he is not delivering the product for financial reasons, which is entirely understandable, but the way that he has put off the announcement for so long, then tried to dress it up as something else entirely is a bit of an insult to the intelligence of the backers.
And the whole T-shirt/donation thing? Oh dear.
As others have said, we will know for sure when we see the price tags of the Lantern Festival minis when they are eventually released.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 10:12:47
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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Well, I take the refund at the very least.
But I'm not happy with this, and I'm going to be pissed if the Lantern Festival shows up in the second KS at a higher price. I'm in agreement that this feels like he saw he would lose more money on delivering the product than the refunds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 11:27:22
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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It is what it is. The fact he gave a full refund and an explanation shows he's above board.
I really don't get why people always have to read between the lines on the reason why it was canceled. Any time people get an unwelcome surprise, they have to attach evil intent to it.
Poots has always been an artist, so this has made perfect sense. He's rejected a lot of models that aren't up to standard.
Disappointing? Yes.
Unforeseen? Yes.
Ulterior underhanded motives? No.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 12:04:21
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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On the brightside, this has finally cemented me to not back the new kickstarter.
The T-shirt bit was a real slap in the face.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 12:07:28
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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He could have put together what he had and send it off to backers.
Oh, wait. That's Mantic's KS model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 12:29:37
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm sad the lantern festival isn't happening, but understand where he's coming from
the refund can hang around for the new KS or go on the card pack
and I hope any plastics already done show up eventually either as loose sprues or as part of something else
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 12:48:53
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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It's disappointing, but at least I got my money back.
Which he'll probably get back in the next KS, if he's offering monopose armour kits like that teaser suggests.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 13:31:54
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Wraith
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A bit sad, but assuming the cause as anything other than vision is pure speculation (considering the loss he willingly took on all other expansions). I mean hell, he even gave the KS fees back, which he really didn't have to do.
I've continued to buy the occassional miniature when they release, and will continue to support him if the vision and quality stays as high as it has been
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