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Well, I used to use rogue market, but that forum seems to have slowed down to a crawl nowadays.

I see dakka has a trading section but dakka itself is not a trading website so I feel like I am more likely to get scammed here. I hear of bartertown but it seems well established and hard for newcomers to get in without people think you are just going to scam them.

idk what to use anymore.

What websites have you had most success with these days?

Well.. speaking from a personal bias..

I like Bartertown.

It is NOT "hard" to get in as a new trader.. you find that you WILL be asked by more established traders to complete your end of the deal first, but by sticking to those same established traders, you can trade with confidence.

As a rule of thumb, stick with those established folks until you build your reputation.. and soon you will be in the position of asking your trade partners to complete their end first.

In addition, we have dogged staff and really knowledgeable members as well.

Another site I have had experience on, and would recommend, would be wargameunderground.com

-Porkuslime

I've started using Bartertown as an alternate to eBay and had some good luck. 3 out of the 4 deals I've done in the last month have gone well, and the one that didn't was just due to slooooow shipping by the other party.

There is a reputable traders list to steer you in the right direction...

Other than that I don't have anything to contribute

Bartertown.

It's pure trading, well-run, and well-managed.

I trade there, have done so for years.

Never had a problem with Bartertown, made some good deals there.

I have bought titans and whatnot from USA and have always worked out great. I'm probably more confident there than ebay.

Out of interest, what is it you are selling/looking for?

We always suggest Bartertown to people, as it has the best protections in place and is a dedicated miniatures trading site. The swap shop works great for smaller trades, but you don't have the pit bulls (I mean that in a good way ) in charge of Bartertown to help you track someone down if things don't go well.

As mentioned above, if using the swap shop the reputable traders list is a great indication of who is trustworthy. Also, with the search function fixed, you can much more easily search for transaction reports to see if anything has come up in the past with someone you're thinking of trading with.

Whatever site you use, please get tracking on your packages. Jin (one of the other swapmods) sent me a package that ended up going to my neighbor's house. There'd be no way for me to know without tracking... and he's obviously a rather trustworthy trader . So you can never be too careful!

ivangterrace wrote:Well, I used to use rogue market, but that forum seems to have slowed down to a crawl nowadays.

I see dakka has a trading section but dakka itself is not a trading website so I feel like I am more likely to get scammed here. I hear of bartertown but it seems well established and hard for newcomers to get in without people think you are just going to scam them.

idk what to use anymore.

What websites have you had most success with these days?

Bartertown for miniatures. RPG.net for role playing games.

DakkaDakka has a reputation system in place that can allow you to see the people who have done trades here. It's not perfect, but it does help. And RiTides said, cover your own rear in any deal.

I do suggest Bartertown as the premier trading specific site around, and as porkuslime attested is very supportive.

Personally, I have tried to do Bartertown but have not really had much success in getting people to trade with me there. Ergo, I've stayed here on DakkaDakka for most of my trades and am attempting to establish myself within this forum for trading.

I'm still a low-ranking trader on bartertown and haven't had any problems in any trade there, or here.

The simple fact is that if you want to be a successful trader, you have to be an upstanding person and present yourself fairly and in an honest manner. That means maintaining good communication, typing intelligible and lucid sentences, and doing what you say you're going to do. If you tell someone that on Monday, you'll ship their stuff, then you stuff finishing your dailies in Azeroth and you get your ass to the post office and you ship it. And if you don't or can't, you tell them right away, you don't wait a week for them to ask you about it.

If you send someone a tell that looks like

hey wiil you take 30 for ur grey knihgts i kno ur asking for 45 but its all i have lol

or something like

Hi,

I'm interested in your Grey Knight Termie squad. I don't know how low an offer you can consider, but I'm willing to give you 35 dollars + 5 for shipping for them.

Thanks in advance for your consideration,

-Ian

it's pretty clear who you're going to want to trade with--even if you don't accept their offer.

Remember, you're doing a business transaction. Be as professional as you can, and I guarantee you'll have more success as a trader/seller/buyer.

Well, there's no a whole lot I can add thqat hasn't already been said.
Then again, almost everyone in this thread so far will tell you there's no way I'll pass by a thread on trading without chiming in if I have ANYTHING to add to it. : )

Like Porkuslime above, I'm partial to Bartertown (he and I are both Admins there). Bartertown is the oldest "gamer" trade site online, having been around since 1996. I only trade on two forums; Bartertown and DakkaDakka (and I'm not that prolific on either, especially not Dakka). Most of my time is spent on Bartertown.

I've been a staff member of BTown for years, and a member for about 8 or 9 or something. I've always been a fan of BTown. We have always had a staff who are vigilant and protective of the site. Every staff member is a fan and wants the best for the site. That's important.

RiTides calling us Pit Bulls is only a slight exaggeration (and not insulting, BTW).

You will do well on BTown if you keep the following things in mind:

1) Read the Rules. The old saying that it is "easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission" is NOT true over there. We operate on the exact opposite premise. Ignorance of the rules is not a valid excuse.

2) Read the forums. Familiarize yourself with known bad apples. We have THREE forums for the various "bad guys" we've encountered over the years. In ascendingly worse order, they are "Deadbeats & Backouts," "Bad Traders, (with subforums for resolved & unresolved issues)" and "Hall of Shame.' The HoS is an especially interesting read.
Reading those forums will (a) familiarize you with the names of people who have had problems and (b) give you an idea of what the more common problems and "scams" are in internet trades.

3) Trade carefully. As has been said, you'll be asked to ship first by many people due to a trade rating disparity (while not a RULE, it's a common convention that lower rated trader ships first, regardless of trade or sale). Stick with people of higher ratings (I'd say 50 or above, with the higher being the better) and you're less likely to end up with problems. Also, the more established traders are less likely to try to take advantage of you. Many will not let you make a trade with them if your offering something that is too horribly in their favor to be fair to you.

4) Read the rules. Yes. They're THAT important that i felt the need to say it twice. : )

5) Know your contact points: Light/Bright Green ID's are "Wathcmen," Dark Green ID's are "Moderators," Red ID's are "Administrators." Admin are the highest rank, Watchmen are the lowest. All have the best interests of the site & it's members in mind.

Additionally, none of our staff members have established negative reputations for themselves (regarding thir Honor or honesty, at least) on other sites. Generally, we're well thought of around the online gaming communities where we're known). Not all trade sites can make that claim, even regarding their own site.

I hope that helps. If you have any questions, feel free to PM either Porkuslime or me on either site, here or BTown.


Eric

And above all, make sure to seal the deal on the website you are using. Don't start a deal on Bartertown and end up on DakkaDakka using the different PM systems Ibetter way to keep track of records). Make sure everything stays on website (unless you use a site for pictures like a photobucket). E-mails, IMs, and phone calls are okay, but make sure to leave feedback on the forum the deal started with.

I think MagickalMemories could elaborate on that more with his website's own rules system there as DakkaDakka really doesn't have a rule dictating how a trade gets finished on one website.

Truly, we don't care how you communicate your deal. We prefer you keep your communications towards email and BTown, but we don't try to dictate any of that in the slightest.

Our only rule regarding it is in consideration of where the trade STARTED.

If you meet someone here, based on a Dakka trade ad, then later find out that you're both BTown members, don't go leaving a BTown reference. It wasn't a BTown trade.
Same for people who know each other locally. If you meet up at the FLGS and decide to trade, don't leave BTown ref's when you get home that night.

References are only valid for Bartertown trades, and a "Bartertown trade" is defined as one that is initiated on Bartertown.

Hope that clarifies, WarOne.

Eric

Barter-town is your best bet Ive used it many times for my own gaming needs and as a way to move old new stock for things I can sell better due to whats hot and whats not geographically. Being clear and professional as "hemingway" suggested is a very good idea! Bravo!
Eric and his crew are some of the best mods on any forum going helpfull ,considerate and established, the last one is very important to me as a trader looking to build up a reputation and feeling safe while trading back and forth is a slow but rewarding thing to have, bartertown makes it easy for the new guy and the old guy to get things done in a freindly and user freindly way. Bartertown should be your first stop its been mine now for 3 years.
Gordon at Alder Hobby

WarOne wrote:Personally, I have tried to do Bartertown but have not really had much success in getting people to trade with me there. Ergo, I've stayed here on DakkaDakka for most of my trades and am attempting to establish myself within this forum for trading.

If you have questions / need help, please post the question on Btown, and you should get pretty good advice. Establishing on a secondary site isn't as helpful, as it's not part of the site's mission. .
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hemingway wrote:The simple fact is that if you want to be a successful trader, you have to be an upstanding person and present yourself fairly and in an honest manner. That means maintaining good communication, typing intelligible and lucid sentences, and doing what you say you're going to do. If you tell someone that on Monday, you'll ship their stuff, then you stuff finishing your dailies in Azeroth and you get your ass to the post office and you ship it. And if you don't or can't, you tell them right away, you don't wait a week for them to ask you about it.

Remember, you're doing a business transaction. Be as professional as you can, and I guarantee you'll have more success as a trader/seller/buyer.

Exactly. Be crystal clear in who does what, when, and the trade goes much smoother. Try to "idiot-proof" the trade, by spelling out the details, and there's less confusion down the road.

Trade deals, while small, *are* legally-enforcible contracts.
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MagickalMemories wrote:Our only rule regarding it is in consideration of where the trade STARTED.

References are only valid for Bartertown trades, and a "Bartertown trade" is defined as one that is initiated on Bartertown.

If I multi-board broadcast, get initial interest on Dakka, but redirect and conclude the actual Deal on Btown, I'm going to treat that as a Btown deal.

It's the equivalent of "call my lawyer in the morning, to take care of the papers" after meeting a business partner for golf or dinner.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

WarOne wrote:Personally, I have tried to do Bartertown but have not really had much success in getting people to trade with me there. Ergo, I've stayed here on DakkaDakka for most of my trades and am attempting to establish myself within this forum for trading.

If you have questions / need help, please post the question on Btown, and you should get pretty good advice. Establishing on a secondary site isn't as helpful, as it's not part of the site's mission.

Correct on all counts. I don't have questions per se as I have read the rules of Bartertown and created an account. I have a reasonable understanding of how things work. And I understand DakkaDakka is not a trade website.

What I have not done is post a trade thread there. Probably won't because I will not try. Stiff rules for accuracy on trade items scared me away, especially on rule 4a. Won't chance it. My choice.

What cannot be helped are deals I tried to set up via PMs. Of the couple that I have tried, none have panned out. No one's fault really.

So unless I actually make a trade thread, probably won't increase my presence on that website. Regardless, I still support it for its efficiency and moderation.

WarOne wrote:What I have not done is post a trade thread there. Probably won't because I will not try. Stiff rules for accuracy on trade items scared me away, especially on rule 4a. Won't chance it. My choice.

What cannot be helped are deals I tried to set up via PMs. Of the couple that I have tried, none have panned out. No one's fault really.

So unless I actually make a trade thread, probably won't increase my presence on that website. Regardless, I still support it for its efficiency and moderation.

Btown Rule 4a wrote:Rule 4a: You are also responsible for accurately describing all items that you are trading or selling.
That includes version, condition, assembly status, converted or not, painted or not, any missing pieces and any other information you think might be helpful. Failure to do so may result in the other party filing a Backout Trader or Bad Trader report against you.

I think you're reading more into this than is necessary. For example, I recently bought a converted Malcadon Spyrer, which the seller accurately described it as missing the hands and having had flails attached instead. I'm negotiating over 2E Eldar Aspects, and asked my partner to confirm that the version against Stuff of Legends pictures.

When I list, it'll be like this:
1 Keeper of Secrets (stripped, missing 1 arm; can swap for additional claws)
10 Tactical Marines (NISB)
12 Fighting Uruk-Hai (painted, 2 broken pikes)
And so on.

And really, it's the same barrier you'd have on eBay (SNAD) or anywhere else, including Dakka. Worst case, attach a picture, and it becomes self-explanatory. And again, if you have questions, ask. Make a good faith effort in clearly describing things, and you should do fine.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

WarOne wrote:What I have not done is post a trade thread there. Probably won't because I will not try. Stiff rules for accuracy on trade items scared me away, especially on rule 4a. Won't chance it. My choice.

What cannot be helped are deals I tried to set up via PMs. Of the couple that I have tried, none have panned out. No one's fault really.

So unless I actually make a trade thread, probably won't increase my presence on that website. Regardless, I still support it for its efficiency and moderation.

Btown Rule 4a wrote:Rule 4a: You are also responsible for accurately describing all items that you are trading or selling.
That includes version, condition, assembly status, converted or not, painted or not, any missing pieces and any other information you think might be helpful. Failure to do so may result in the other party filing a Backout Trader or Bad Trader report against you.

I think you're reading more into this than is necessary. For example, I recently bought a converted Malcadon Spyrer, which the seller accurately described it as missing the hands and having had flails attached instead. I'm negotiating over 2E Eldar Aspects, and asked my partner to confirm that the version against Stuff of Legends pictures.

When I list, it'll be like this:
1 Keeper of Secrets (stripped, missing 1 arm; can swap for additional claws)
10 Tactical Marines (NISB)
12 Fighting Uruk-Hai (painted, 2 broken pikes)
And so on.

And really, it's the same barrier you'd have on eBay (SNAD) or anywhere else, including Dakka. Worst case, attach a picture, and it becomes self-explanatory. And again, if you have questions, ask. Make a good faith effort in clearly describing things, and you should do fine.

Call it neurotic, irrational fear, but it is basically my barrier to opening up a trade thread there on bartertown.

Fear is the mind killer.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Fear is the mind killer.

Yeah. You'd think it would be easy to copy+paste the trade list from here and zip it over to another website, then spend the five minutes it would take to get the pictures into the thread.

I'm attempting my first trade here tomorrow. Hopefully all goes well.

I've done stuff here and on Bartertown. I think they're both equally good. I haven't found anyplace else that I consider trustworthy. PLUS you have the knowledge of working with people like and respect miniatures as much as you do, or more depending.

There's also some niche sites for specific armies... theTyranidHive has a trade only section..

ive been on btown for over 10 years now. ive done alot on there, and a few on here.

Alright, gonna give a chance with a thread on the Bartertown forum

Wish me luck!

Luck!

Seconded.

Let us know if you need help.

BTW, the only thing your ad is missing is your basic sale (or trade) price.

If you post sale prices on each item, it makes it easier for people to buy from you.