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i would love to hear everyones oppinion on the space marines/succesor chapters, do you like them, do you hate them, if so why?

Actually i prefer IG but i started on SW and have stuck with them although i may get an IG army after mainly for collecting rather than playing.
Successor chapters are fine have nothing against them unless they are blantently Mary Sue in which case i really hate them.

I can see a thread like this just descending into a marine hate extravaganza. That being said I think they are the coolest. They are the first army I ever saw and without them I probably wouldn't have gotten into wargamming.
Many moons ago I was that 14 year old kid with the poorly painted Ultra-marines. Over the yearsI have expanded quite a bit and repainted the old suff, yet they are just as cool as the first time I opened Battle for Macragge. One thing I do wish though is that they would focus more on the roman theme with Ultra-marines, jazz them up a little bit. Less vanilla more killa.

I love marines. Marines and guard are two sides of the same coin, different aspects of the heroism it takes to defend humanity.

Without Space Marines, CSM would be nothing. They are the most worthy of opponents. I've got a lot of respect for SM's

- that was the tiny part of loyalist in me

Space Marines are perfectly fine as an army. I don't even mind that GW gives them preferential treatment, really. I dislike playing them too often, because hitting a wall of 3+ saves gets really tedious. This is actually why I stopped playing them myself.

The only problem I have with Space Marines is everyone plays them. The only think more tedious than hitting a wall of 3+ saves is knowing you'll be doing it regularly.

WarWizard91 wrote: I can see a thread like this just descending into a marine hate extravaganza. That being said I think they are the coolest. They are the first army I ever saw and without them I probably wouldn't have gotten into wargamming.
Many moons ago I was that 14 year old kid with the poorly painted Ultra-marines. Over the yearsI have expanded quite a bit and repainted the old suff, yet they are just as cool as the first time I opened Battle for Macragge. One thing I do wish though is that they would focus more on the roman theme with Ultra-marines, jazz them up a little bit. Less vanilla more killa.

Heh, My first army was SM from BFM And this isnt a hate topic, those people who are haters, it's there oppinion we dont have to agree, its just there oppinion

Funnily enough only me and one other guy plays SM regularly at my club, and even I mostly use the guard.

So we have one SM player, and he has a very fluffy raven guard force thats a blast to play against.

i love the SM fluff. the horus heresy is especially interesting.
and i do have 0ver 3000 pts of SW.

and maybe would like to start another army.

Dislike the fluff

Dislike that they are twice as cheap to play as other races

Dislike that everyone plays them and no I dont care about whatever lame fluff you have come up with for your stupid custom chapters (most peoples fluff is bad! like fan fiction bad)

I do like the models however they look great crucified on my BWs

Haters gonna hate.

I don't get why people moan about everyone else playing marines. Its their hobby too, maybe they just want to play marines. People can collect the way they want.

And normal marines have no worse fluff than anyone else.

Jubear wrote:Dislike the fluff

Dislike that they are twice as cheap to play as other races

Dislike that everyone plays them and no I dont care about whatever lame fluff you have come up with for your stupid custom chapters (most peoples fluff is bad! like fan fiction bad)

I do like the models however they look great crucified on my BWs

You're allowed to hate marines. But don't go hating on stuff that people have spent time creating.

On topic

I absolutely love the fluff. I hated them 'til I bought the BL book Dark Creed which totally changed my mind. I would like to play them but I can't justify fighting them against other marines (which everybody plays round where I live). So I'm thinking of going in the Grey Knights direction so I can always say in my mind "the other chapter has turned to Chaos and I must destroy them"

Fan fiction is evil and must be stopped as do folk who insist on explaining to me the lame fluff behind there army.

I dont give a rats ass about someone else horrible attempts to come up with a backstory for there armies when 90% of the time they dont even paint all there models

I really like Space Marines. I don't really like some of the fluff and I wish some of the attention they got went to other armies but I still like them. My only major problem with any Space Marine chapter is the Space Wolves growing wolf obsession ruining the awesome space vikings I knew and loved.

Spaces marines are space marines, they have power armour and bolters, there sexuaility good be questioned, and a chapter is a excuse for GW to make a codex for more money.

I like most of the chapters of marines, I just don't like GW poster boy Ultrasmurfs...
I orignally collected IG, I have 2000 points but got bored of them and changed to the crusadeing Black Templars, I like the fluff, they look cool and its different to the other SM's in my gaming group of black legion, tratior mairnes using Sm codex, a small force of loyal marines (unknown chapter) and now the same guy is starting iron warriors after owning 2 other SM forces but he also owns a nice sized tau army as well.

Some things that annoy me about marines is the stupidity of the new blood angel codex, come on deepstriking landraiders and a space wolf riding a giant wolf in the SW codex, apart frorm that I like SW's.

But I think Grey Knights are one of the coolest SM forces out there!

But deep down inside I know that I am guardsman forever, whats not to love about tanks?

Given that I am a fan of common humans pitted up against the deadliest monsters of 40k, I tend to completely and utterly ignore Space Marines unless they are exceptionally well written or have an outstandingly interesting concept (IE, I ignore 95% of Space Marine fluff).

I don't necessarily think they're bad, every sci-fi series of this scale is going to have their modified superhuman beings, but that is nowhere close to what interests me in science fiction. There are exceptions of course-- Salamanders (for their sense of duty and humility), Space Wolves (for their gregarious nature, and being vikings in space), and many of the better DIY chapters for example (because some of them are better writers than GW)..

I started Space Marines as my second army a few years ago and haven't looked back since. There's so much diversity of options with all of the Codexes and they're(sort of) the "good guys" even when they're executing every third person in a system for allowing heresy to take root. Go Iron Hands!

In summary: Space Marines are the best. I love playing as them and against them, now and forever.

Edited by Manchu for egregious breach of Rule #1.

Asherian Command wrote:Edited by Manchu for egregious breach of Rule #1.

Asherian, you should really calm down.

Do you know what I thought when I saw that grammatically atrocious, homophobic attempt at trolling? That it should be ignored for the nonsense that it is. Let's all take a deep breath.

Grammar review: Their, They're and There are all completely different words. It makes one's posts seem somewhat more intelligent when this fact is observed. Of course good grammar can't make up for poor content but let's walk before we run, shall we?

MiloticMaster wrote:i would love to hear everyones oppinion on the space marines/succesor chapters, do you like them, do you hate them, if so why?

I don't "hate" them. I just feel they can be overplayed at times. Most gaming stores I have regularly played at over half the people there have some form of marine army. Usually ultramsurfs. Sometimes Dark Angels. The concept of them is great. Just as said. Too many people use them though at times.

Asherian Command wrote:Edited by Manchu for egregious breach of Rule #1.

I don't believe he's saying you shouldn't make up fluff for your DIY.

I believe he's saying you shouldn't inflict it on him if he's just trying to get a game in. And I agree. Unless my opponent is Dan Abnett, I don't want to hear about his army background.

Monster Rain wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Jubear wrote:Fan fiction is evil and must be stopped as do folk who insist on explaining to me the lame fluff behind their army.

I dont give a rat's ass about someone else's horrible attempts to come up with a backstory for their armies when 90% of the time they don't even paint all their models.

Edited by Manchu for egregious breach of Rule #1.

Asherian, you should really calm down.

Do you know what I thought when I saw that grammatically atrocious, homophobic attempt at trolling? That it should be ignored for the nonsense that it is. Let's all take a deep breath.

Grammar review: Their, They're and There are all completely different words. It makes one's posts seem somewhat more intelligent when this fact is observed. Of course good grammar can't make up for poor content but let's walk before we run, shall we?

Yeah I calmed down I was a little pissed at him. But when i saw the grammar mistakes I couldn't stop laughing
Because one thing he really doesn't know anything about lore. His limited view is so Xenophobic it was almost insulting. D:
But anyway, it seems I got a little pissed off. But ITs behind me. I can go back to my Wise 16 year old mood again
As for the poster above me. You obisiovusly did not read it that well.
It says all fanfics like Dark Lord Seans are gak.
Which is utter Please do not attempt to avoid the word filter.
As this guy litterally has no idea what he is talking. (The guy i am angry at.)

Jubear wrote:Fan fiction is evil and must be stopped as do folk who insist on explaining to me the lame fluff behind there army.

I dont give a rats ass about someone else horrible attempts to come up with a backstory for there armies when 90% of the time they dont even paint all there models

Interesting fact for you on gay armies.

The ancient Spartan state thought it was heavily desirable for homosexual lovers to fight together in the same regiment. They believed that if this occurred, the warriors would fight harder in order to impress each other with their respective courage.
Funnily enough, this worked.

Problem, officer?

FURTHERMORE:
I think marines are pretty cool. Though some of the fluff annoys me, by and large I find them a fun army to read about and play.

EDIT: I see it's changed from a homophobic insult to "lame." My point still stands.

Asherian Command wrote:
As for the poster above me. You obisiovusly did not read it that well.
It says all fanfics like Dark Lord Seans are gak.

There are fanfics that aren't complete tripe?

I suppose in an infinite universe that must be true.

As for the topic itself, I like Space Marines fine. I wish they weren't played as much as they are, no matter how hypocritical that is.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Jubear wrote:Fan fiction is evil and must be stopped as do folk who insist on explaining to me the lame fluff behind there army.

I dont give a rats ass about someone else horrible attempts to come up with a backstory for there armies when 90% of the time they dont even paint all there models

Interesting fact for you on gay armies.

The ancient Spartan state thought it was heavily desirable for homosexual lovers to fight together in the same regiment. They believed that if this occurred, the warriors would fight harder in order to impress each other with their respective courage.
Funnily enough, this worked.

Problem, officer?

FURTHERMORE:
I think marines are pretty cool. Though some of the fluff annoys me, by and large I find them a fun army to read about and play.

Don't you mean the Sacred band? They weren't Spartans. D: Sorry to correct you but they beat the Spartans twice. And the Homosexual lovers Owned. And they were so good that no one could beat them. Until they fought Macedonians. And they were killed down to 1 man.
ONTOPIC:
I love space marines. But I freaking Hate the ultramarines and all the newbs that running around in my store and cheat and break models.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:EDIT: I see it's changed from a homophobic insult to "lame." My point still stands.

Yeah, the site filters those terms now I guess.

Either way, I think the point is proven.

Mmmmm. Marines. My first army. And my second. And my buddy's first and second. Because the RTB01 sets were all we could could get.

I wish people would play something besides Marines. It gets boring playing against Marines every time. Sure, it's great for my opponents because I have a batch of armies I have or am working on. But for me? All of my armies get to fight against... Marines. And occasionally Orks.

gazelle wrote:Mmmmm. Marines. My first army. And my second. And my buddy's first and second. Because the RTB01 sets were all we could could get.

I wish people would play something besides Marines. It gets boring playing against Marines every time. Sure, it's great for my opponents because I have a batch of armies I have or am working on. But for me? All of my armies get to fight against... Marines. And occasionally Orks.

I agree. Marines are too common. But Considering that Alot of my friends right now no longer play. Its rarity And i enjoy any type of game except when I face a newby Marine player that makes up rules as he goes.
I hate that D: