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Trilobite wrote:Samus Aran, your sig disagrees with you.

Right you are I was painting a unit of ultramarines at the time. I need to update that!


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Melissia wrote:Funny, I interpret it as a bunch of dudes who got mad at their dad and are now throwing an epic temper tantrum But then, you gotta admit that several of the legions (Traitor or otherwise) are pretty shallow.

That's about right. Except they're the equivalent of the biker jacket wearing, punk music-listening, acid-tripping, angsty son of the emperor, rather than the son who goes to college and gets a degree in english history, marries an ugly protestant lady and haas three kids son of the emperor.

I agree. I really only particularly like the word bearers and iron warriors. Alpha legion, night lords and emperor's children seem too particular about things to be good chaos legions, IMO.

Ewww boring IW's boooo.

I dont really count Grey Knights As SM's i mean technicly they are but ...well, SM arn't exactly knights/demon hunters leave it to the witch/demon hunters

Trilobite wrote:Ewww boring IW's boooo.

They've got some pretty amazing fluff. They themselves aren't as interesting as the firepower they use though. There's a bit about these dudes using a massive daemon cannon on it's owner, then taking down a titan with it afterwards. Awesome stuff.

Oh, and there's this other part where these guys blow up a section of their own fortress to completely destroy an army of dreadnoughts and stuff.

Based on what I've read, The CSM codex basically represents only the black legion. It can't really be used to represent armies like the night lords or death guard. The codex limits the CSM, seriously.

Yeah, Graham McNeil really likes making the Iron Warriors look cool. Well, other than the whole being completely evil thing. They're not really interesting villains, but they're fantastically fun.

SumYungGui wrote:I love seeing a space marine army. It's like a litmus test for the player. It immediately tells me who I can avoid playing and saves tons of time. It's all the same codex-hopping, no skill, internet listers out to play the latest flavor of the month strong codex in pursuit of nothing but cheese and victory everywhere you go as soon as you see power armored figures.

Saves me so many bad games by focusing in on the people who play armies they care about. Ya know the armies that actually have substance to them.

Yes, because armies like Necrons or Dark Eldar have so much DEPTH and SUBSTANCE.

Wiglaf wrote:Don´t mean to offense but I don´t understand -and I wish to- the fascination of newbies about SM, bearing in mind they initially know little about their fluff. Oversized super soldiers are regarded in popular culture as either dumb asses or the -usually dumb- villain of the movie, when not his main henchmen. What is cool about that?

They have armor. Armor is thought of as cool. So are shoulder pads (Especially among Americans, for obvious reasons). Therefore, people like Space Marines because they like armor and shoulder pads.

Dislike the players, dislike the fluff, but love the crunch.

Necroman wrote:
They have armor. Armor is thought of as cool. So are shoulder pads (Especially among Americans, for obvious reasons). Therefore, people like Space Marines because they like armor and shoulder pads.

A pretty silly looking armor, IMO.

I wonder who worked out that an order of futuristic, adoctrinated, genetically modified space knights in heavy armour should be called like the former US military or the amphibian assault British corp. Where is the point of calling someone marine if there is not even a vague aquatic element involved in the way they fight, to begin with? But hey, I´m sure their sole name -along with the big assz should pads, which are super manly- served to make thousands of american players fell in love with them at first glance.

Wiglaf wrote:I wonder who worked out that an order of futuristic, adoctrinated, genetically modified space knights in heavy armour should be called like the former US military or the amphibian assault British corp. Where is the point of calling someone marine if there is not even a vague aquatic element involved in the way they fight, to begin with? But hey, I´m sure their sole name -along with the big assz should pads, which are super manly- served to make thousands of american players fell in love with them at first glance.

Actually, it kinda does make sense, if you interpret, as many sci-fi writers do, that space is an ocean. In that way, the space marines have a similar deployment to actual marines (They serve completely different purposes, but that's neither here nor there).

More than likely, however, Games Workshop just used the name because it was cool.

Grey Templar wrote:i love my marines

i love the fact that you can make your own chapter, but this also turns into a hate thing.


90% of Self chapter makers do a horrible job. they either make their chapter 1 of the lost legions(which is ok, but you need to do a veeeeeeeery good job with fluff) or they make this horrible fluff about how their chapter is the best(bester then the UMs ) and their Chapter master beat Calgar in an arm wrestling match, they killed Ghaz and Abbadon, they hardly ever die, no gene flaws...


granted i was guilty of about 4 of these problems when i started, but have since retconned my own fluff to be more normal.



Make your own chapters with awsome fluff, but for Emprerors sake make it decent(i like my eyeballs where they are )

Yes I agree with that.
I hate seeing poorly written chapters. Like the Poke-a-dots chapter.
What a waste of a marine. At least my chapters have been either destoryed or just rotting or they are getting sliced open by each other .

Necroman wrote:
Actually, it kinda does make sense, if you interpret, as many sci-fi writers do, that space is an ocean. In that way, the space marines have a similar deployment to actual marines (They serve completely different purposes, but that's neither here nor there).

More than likely, however, Games Workshop just used the name because it was cool.

However, I think it was an awful decission. If I had a penny for every fellow player out there convinced of SM being the LITERAL interpretation, physical and moral wise of their american namesakes...such a harmful line of thought at long term.

I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Oddly enough one of the more sensible ones
Sort of joking there

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Oddly enough one of the more sensible ones
Sort of joking there

My point

I don't know how people even come up with such awful stuff

I don't mind Space Marines. The Basic idea is cool, but some of the fluff is just rediculus. Doesn't bother me, lots of other armies get stuff like that.

I supose the part that iritates me about marines is that their various "special" books just steal ideas from each other shamelessly, and end up blurring together. For example, blood Angels stealing Black Templars hat of Land Raiders as Designated Transports.

Idealy, I think marines would each have distinct playstyles, not the blurred lines we have now. Something like this:

Codex: Everything average, most capable of making a balanced army. Combat Tactics and ATSKNF

Dark Angels: Able to take all Termy, and above average shooting, but less melee emphasis. Stubborn, and ATSKNF.

Space Wolves: Able to play Large units, heavy melee focus, but Little Deepstrike or support shooting (Beyond Expensive but good Long Fangs). Furious Charge and ATSKNF.

Blood Angels: Able to take all Jump Packs, Fast Vehicles, and Lots of elite Melee units. Rather light on the shooting, however. ATSKNF and the Red Thirst Rule.

Black Templars: Cheap(ish) Land Raider Spam, mixed units, Good Melee, little support fire. Fearless and Furious Charge.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Oddly enough one of the more sensible ones
Sort of joking there

My point

I don't know how people even come up with such awful stuff

It's an odd combination of Mary Sue and a large amount of narcotics i'd guess

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Oddly enough one of the more sensible ones
Sort of joking there

My point

I don't know how people even come up with such awful stuff

It's an odd combination of Mary Sue and a large amount of narcotics i'd guess

Some people are just gifted with suckiness to answer your question Samus.

Lemme try my best to make a terrible one:

emperor's feet
- One of the lost legions
- colors are brown with black and green camo. They have yellow heads, and their icon looks like the crimson fist symbol, except it's solid black.
- live inside terra, under the emperor's holy feet. They have all manner of technology they need, so they can take any entry from any codex they want, for no points extra.
- work to protect the emperor from squats when they pop out of the sewers

gah...That's awful.

Grey Templar wrote:i love my marines

i love the fact that you can make your own chapter, but this also turns into a hate thing.


90% of Self chapter makers do a horrible job. they either make their chapter 1 of the lost legions(which is ok, but you need to do a veeeeeeeery good job with fluff) or they make this horrible fluff about how their chapter is the best(bester then the UMs ) and their Chapter master beat Calgar in an arm wrestling match, they killed Ghaz and Abbadon, they hardly ever die, no gene flaws...


granted i was guilty of about 4 of these problems when i started, but have since retconned my own fluff to be more normal.



Make your own chapters with awsome fluff, but for Emprerors sake make it decent(i like my eyeballs where they are )

QFT

Samus_aran115 wrote:Lemme try my best to make a terrible one:

emperor's feet
- One of the lost legions
- colors are brown with black and green camo. They have yellow heads, and their icon looks like the crimson fist symbol, except it's solid black.
- live inside terra, under the emperor's holy feet. They have all manner of technology they need, so they can take any entry from any codex they want, for no points extra.
- work to protect the emperor from squats when they pop out of the sewers

gah...That's awful.

Actually that was bad from the first point after that it was all just so much icing.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Lemme try my best to make a terrible one:

emperor's feet
- One of the lost legions
- colors are brown with black and green camo. They have yellow heads, and their icon looks like the crimson fist symbol, except it's solid black.
- live inside terra, under the emperor's holy feet. They have all manner of technology they need, so they can take any entry from any codex they want, for no points extra.
- work to protect the emperor from squats when they pop out of the sewers

gah...That's awful.

Nah I've heard of worse

Poke-Dots or the Knights of the Dusk (stole my chapter name)
- One of the Lost Legions
- Has a Primarch that is still living. And wings, and two relics blades.
- Has at least 20,000 Space Marines
- Has a Poke Dot Symbol
- Color Scheme Orange, Red, Blue, Green
- Has 2,000 marines per a company. Has 20 captains in each company.
- Has thousands of Grey knights.
- Has a World called Earth with an orbital defense cannon that can blow up entire solar systems.
- Somehow has a Emperor's Class Battle Ship as a command vessel
- Has 50 Battle Barges, 9,000 thunderhawks, 200 Strike Cruisers, and 5,000 strike vessels.
- Is BFF with the Ultramarines.
- Attacks at full strength all the time
- Has a concentration of over 2,000 Pyskers.
- Has a Chapter Master that is named Bob from Accounting
- Each company is named after a famous band from the 90's
- Each company specializes in one of the legion's specialties.


NOW THAT IS THE WORST CHAPTER I HAVE EVER HEARD OF!
And yes a kid at my store said this all to me. It has scared me for the rest of my life.

Can you belive this topic hasn't been mutilated more then a nurgle champion by haters O.o

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

isn't in Iron Loins

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:I don't mind Space Marines. The Basic idea is cool, but some of the fluff is just rediculus. Doesn't bother me, lots of other armies get stuff like that.

I supose the part that iritates me about marines is that their various "special" books just steal ideas from each other shamelessly, and end up blurring together. For example, blood Angels stealing Black Templars hat of Land Raiders as Designated Transports.

Idealy, I think marines would each have distinct playstyles, not the blurred lines we have now. Something like this:

Codex: Everything average, most capable of making a balanced army. Combat Tactics and ATSKNF

Dark Angels: Able to take all Termy, and above average shooting, but less melee emphasis. Stubborn, and ATSKNF.

Space Wolves: Able to play Large units, heavy melee focus, but Little Deepstrike or support shooting (Beyond Expensive but good Long Fangs). Furious Charge and ATSKNF.

Blood Angels: Able to take all Jump Packs, Fast Vehicles, and Lots of elite Melee units. Rather light on the shooting, however. ATSKNF and the Red Thirst Rule.

Black Templars: Cheap(ish) Land Raider Spam, mixed units, Good Melee, little support fire. Fearless and Furious Charge.

+1 to this post.
Give this man a cigar as he hit the nail on the head!

MiloticMaster wrote:Can you belive this topic hasn't been mutilated more then a nurgle champion by haters O.o

That's debatable.

This is how a chapter should look like.......

The Dusk Guard (Knights)

Chapter Master: Mortis Void

Homeworld: Lucaia

Geneseed: Blood Angels

Chapter No.: 162

Man-power: 1,000 – 1,200 (Unknown)

Symbol: Clouded Sun/ or the Symbol of Dusk. (fading moon upside down)

Specialty: Ship to Ship, Boarding Actions, Lightning Fast Assaults, Pyskers.

Traits: Trust your Battle Brothers,

Blood Brothers: Sword Templars (fought together during the Bloody Hand’s Rebellion) Ice Angels, The Wanderers, Storm Crusaders (fought together during the 5th War for Drancoris and aided in the Assault on Baltnis).

Not very different. Just Normal and somewhat of a specialists at certain things. But not a shooty army.
Edit:
OMG ITS MY 2124! 2 124 Which means!!! It is my chapters number and 2 leaders!

I think DIYs are fun, but only when reigned in. To make a good fanfic chapter, the best idea is to probably try and make a normal chapter (With the necessary traits from its origin legion), give it one or two divergent traits or practices, and then let it become different over time as you develop your vision.

Asherian Command wrote:Poke-Dots or the Knights of the Dusk (stole my chapter name)
- One of the Lost Legions
- Has a Primarch that is still living. And wings, and two relics blades.
- Has at least 20,000 Space Marines
- Has a Poke Dot Symbol
- Color Scheme Orange, Red, Blue, Green
- Has 2,000 marines per a company. Has 20 captains in each company.
- Has thousands of Grey knights.
- Has a World called Earth with an orbital defense cannon that can blow up entire solar systems.
- Somehow has a Emperor's Class Battle Ship as a command vessel
- Has 50 Battle Barges, 9,000 thunderhawks, 200 Strike Cruisers, and 5,000 strike vessels.
- Is BFF with the Ultramarines.
- Attacks at full strength all the time
- Has a concentration of over 2,000 Pyskers.
- Has a Chapter Master that is named Bob from Accounting
- Each company is named after a famous band from the 90's
- Each company specializes in one of the legion's specialties.

This fiction is so beautiful. I can't wait to see the Dan Abnett book chronicling their adventures!

Necroman wrote:I think DIYs are fun, but only when reigned in. To make a good fanfic chapter, the best idea is to probably try and make a normal chapter (With the necessary traits from its origin legion), give it one or two divergent traits or practices, and then let it become different over time as you develop your vision.

Asherian Command wrote:Poke-Dots or the Knights of the Dusk (stole my chapter name)
- One of the Lost Legions
- Has a Primarch that is still living. And wings, and two relics blades.
- Has at least 20,000 Space Marines
- Has a Poke Dot Symbol
- Color Scheme Orange, Red, Blue, Green
- Has 2,000 marines per a company. Has 20 captains in each company.
- Has thousands of Grey knights.
- Has a World called Earth with an orbital defense cannon that can blow up entire solar systems.
- Somehow has a Emperor's Class Battle Ship as a command vessel
- Has 50 Battle Barges, 9,000 thunderhawks, 200 Strike Cruisers, and 5,000 strike vessels.
- Is BFF with the Ultramarines.
- Attacks at full strength all the time
- Has a concentration of over 2,000 Pyskers.
- Has a Chapter Master that is named Bob from Accounting
- Each company is named after a famous band from the 90's
- Each company specializes in one of the legion's specialties.

This fiction is so beautiful. I can't wait to see the Dan Abnett book chronicling their adventures!

Yes it is a fan made chapter made by a 10 year old space marine player that lost every single game to my Plasma Fest army.

Asherian Command wrote:Yes it is a fan made chapter made by a 10 year old space marine player that lost every single game to my Plasma Fest army.

He should win a pulitzer. His chapter's THAT good.

Necroman wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Yes it is a fan made chapter made by a 10 year old space marine player that lost every single game to my Plasma Fest army.

He should win a pulitzer. His chapter's THAT good.

Yeah his chapter Master vs my Chapter Master. My Chapter Master Basically took his chapter Master's Arm and basically beat him to death with it. (I love it when I have a Apocalypse Item called Legion Relic. He didn't get that ability. And Not only that but I used my Chapter Master's Stats. WHich aren't l33t they are balanced.)
Then my 10th company vs his 1st company. Of course I win just by moving my troops back and using a ton of tanks.

Asherian Command wrote:

Necroman wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Yes it is a fan made chapter made by a 10 year old space marine player that lost every single game to my Plasma Fest army.

He should win a pulitzer. His chapter's THAT good.

Yeah his chapter Master vs my Chapter Master. My Chapter Master Basically took his chapter Master's Arm and basically beat him to death with it. (I love it when I have a Apocalypse Item called Legion Relic. He didn't get that ability. And Not only that but I used my Chapter Master's Stats. WHich aren't l33t they are balanced.)
Then my 10th company vs his 1st company. Of course I win just by moving my troops back and using a ton of tanks.

In summary:

You beat a child using made up stats and a Strategic Asset from Apocalypse and proceeded to brag about it on the internet, posting in leetspeak on top of it all.

Did I miss anything?