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So, I have 7 old metal terminators with Lighting Claws and I found an old metal Terminator Captain model, you know....these guys...? (see below, chapters may vary).

Anyways, I thought to myself, hey...self....these are still decent representations of what they are. It'd be a shame to waste them! So I was kicking around some ideas and wanted to see what the general concensus was.

Ok, so 7 Lightning Claw Terminators in a Land Raider Crusader is pretty self-explanatory.
The real question is, lets say I want a Captain even though a Chaplain or Librarian might be better. I had considered just going Storm Bolter/Power Sword to keep it cheap and simple, but then it occured that the other potential 28 S4 Lightning Claw attack might have that covered, so then I was thinking, Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield as insurance for what the Terminators cant deal with (Dreadnoughts, or Kans or big 'Nids, ect..)

Any other ideas as far as it goes? Combi-Weapon/Power Fist? It's stupid you cant get a Relic Blade in Terminator Armor, what's the difference?? Again, I realize that maybe the Chaplain and Librarian might be better, but I think I want to go with a Captain (or even use him as a Chapter Master at some point) for my first HQ, and use a Librarian or Chaplain as a second in later games.

Thanks all!
T-

I would say, for your best choice, grab 2-3 TH/SS terminators for your anti-vehicle and leave the captain with a p.weap/ relic blade. He has a I5, so you should take advantage of that. If you really wanna turn him into your walker insurance, give him a TH/SS or Chainfist/SS, BUT! He can be singled out in CC, which means he can be instant deathed by pretty much any walker if he fails his armour save, which is why I say 2-3 TH/SS terminators.


p.s Are you a man? Or a dragon?










...or some kinda dragon-man?

Thanks for the reply!
I was under the impression that relic blades were NOT available if terminator
was taken.
did I read it wrong? is there a FAQ that I dont know about?
I think the idea of a Relic Blade/Storm Shield sounds pretty awesome, but thought it unavailable.

help!
T-

by the way, it's about a 50/50 mix of dragon and man, haha

Really, don't bother with the Captain model. The new Terminator Chaplain model is teh sex



You really should go with: 5 Dual LC Terminators + 2 TH/SS Terminators + Terminator Chaplain + LRC

A Dual LC Termie gets 4 attacks on the charge because he has 2 base, +1 for a pair of Lightning Claws, and +1 for charging. Then, you have to remember the Chaplain lets them re-roll "to hit" rolls in the round that they charge, and the Lightning Claws obviously re-roll "to wound" rolls.

Here's what they do:

[math-hammer]

Against MEQ:
Chaplain = 3 WS5 Power Weapon attacks at I4
3 attacks = 2 hits (3 after re-rolls)
3 hits = 1.5 wounds

5 Dual LC Terminators = 20 WS4 Power Weapon attacks at I4
20 attacks = 10 hits (15 after re-rolls)
15 hits = 7.5 wounds (11 wounds after re-rolls)

2 TH/SS Terminators = 6 WS4 double-toughness power weapon attacks at I1
6 attacks = 3 hits (4.5 after re-rolls)
4.5 hits = 4 wounds

That's 12.5 power weapon wounds at I4 and 4 double-toughness power weapon wounds at I1.

Against GEQ:
Chaplain = 3 WS5 Power Weapon attacks at I4
3 attacks = 2 hits (3 after re-rolls)
3 hits = 2 wounds

5 Dual LC Terminators = 20 WS4 Power Weapon attacks at I4
20 attacks = 13 hits (18 after re-rolls)
18 hits = 12 wounds (16 wounds after re-rolls)

2 TH/SS Terminators = 6 WS4 double-toughness power weapon attacks at I1
6 attacks = 4 hits (6 after re-rolls)
6 hits = 5 wounds

That's 18 power weapon wounds at I4 and 5 double-toughness power weapon wounds at I1.

[/math-hammer]

And of course you can send the TH/SS Termies at any nearby vehicles (multi-assault).

Good times. Back in 4th when several of us figured this out, we called it the "special delivery".

If you're playing Black Templars or Blood Angels, there are strong arguments to front load on Lightning Claws for your terminators.

If you're playing Vanilla Marines, TH/SS terminators with 1-2 LC's at most is a much stronger combo. Also, be careful of what type of character you run with them, as you don't want to leave some terminators unable to strike due to the character's higher Initiative and attacks, or leave the character to get splatted by whatever enemy you are facing because he's the easier target.

You are correct you can't take a relic blade if the Captain or Master is in TDA. If you want to use the LC Terminators and Captain then I would give the Captain a fist and shield. The fist helps with what the Claws can't take on and the shield makes your character much more survivable.

Take the things you want, try them out, and have fun. You don't HAVE to take the best of everything to play the game. Not taking the best doesn't mean you're taking the worst.

Seems cool to me I like that terminator captain guy a lot. Nice model.

IMO, the old lightning claws were ugly The only reason I'm even mentioning it is because GW's 'Lightning claws' bitz set is those old ones....And they have imperial heraldry on them already... But they're still lightning claws, so whatever floats your boat

Chaplain would be WAY better. Those rerolls are utter rape with lightning claws. Seriously.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Chaplain would be WAY better. Those rerolls are utter rape with lightning claws. Seriously.

Agreed (see my math-hammer post above).

I don't have anything more to add to the advice above, except to note that I like the Redeemer a bit more than the Crusader; and I think it can be well worth taking a slightly smaller squad to use the Redeemer.

The benefits of the crusader is being able to move 6 and fire everything, since the Pintle mount and Hurricane bolters are defensive, fire the Assault cannon as primary, and the Multi Melta on POTMS. This absolutely murders horde armies, I can see that the redeemer cannons are more useful against MEQ though.

whitedragon wrote:If you're playing Black Templars or Blood Angels, there are strong arguments to front load on Lightning Claws for your terminators.

Then (I play black templars), assault out with as many Lightning claw termies as I can fit, at the biggest baddest squad on the table. BT sword bretheren termies can take furious charge for several points a model, and the Accept any challeng Vow and you just wiped out something . 32 Power weapon attacks at S5 I5 with rerolls to hit and wound = win. I use this in pretty much all games 1500+

For a non BT player, I do agree, drop one termie and run a chaplain (maybe even with a LC for rerolls to wound) that way you can still take advantage of the reroll to hit and wound. However, I have no experience with running the TH + SS termies for the above reason (and I have the old SS), so a combination of the both may be better for a 'nilla marine player. As for blood angels, i dont know, I havent had a chance to really read through the new codex; I'll let someone else speak on that.

/2 cents

Thanks for all the replies!
Sorry for the slow reply, I dont get online as often as Id like lately!

Anyways, I definitely see the benefits to a Chaplain, I really do(!), and coincidentally, I do have the older Terminator Chaplain (which, scale-wise, would fit right in with the slightly smaller old metal termies). I just was looking at the older Captain figure and though about getting some use out of it, that's all.

I realize the Chaplain's benefits far outweigh the Captain and even the Chapter Master's own, but again, this is just for the hell of it, and not really looking to go wreck a Gamesday or Rogue Trader tourney with this army list.

I was just trying to think of the best equipment for a Captain who would accompany a squad of 7 Lightning Claw armed Terminators in a Land Raider Crusader. I guess I could go "all eggs in a basket crazy" and get a Chaplain and Captain and 6 LC armed Terminators, but I wont haha.

So the general concensus then, is a SS/Power Fist or SS/Th?


Thanks!
T-

Shoot go SS/LC

Jihallah wrote:I would say, for your best choice, grab 2-3 TH/SS terminators for your anti-vehicle and leave the captain with a Power fis . If you really wanna turn him into your walker insurance, give him a TH/SS or Chainfist/SS, BUT! He can be singled out in CC, which means he can be instant deathed by pretty much any walker if he fails his armour save, which is why I say 2-3 TH/SS terminators.

This but use the Chaplain rater than the Captain

[quote=Ed_BodgerThis but use the Chaplain rater than the Captain

Sorry to keep dragging up this post, but I dont get online as often as I used to.

Anyways, that was the point, I guess, I was trying to find a use for my Captain/Chapter Master in Terminator Armor.
I see the benefits of a Chaplain, I reaaaaaaaaaally do!, but Id run into the same problem as using a cheap Captain with Power Weapon/Storm Bolter. It's just another S4 Power Weapon added to a squad with all S4 Lightning Claws. I dont have any TH/SS's to use in this squad, so that is not an option. The only way Id be able to do that is to use a Captain/Chapter Master with a TH/SS, because I have parts for the conversion, but not for the rest of the Terminators.

Im very interested in seeing what this squad can do against anything, because the Land Raider Crusader will get them into the thick of it, while mowing down whatever it can too, and the potential to get off 28 Lightning Claw attacks is really hard to pass up! I just thought a character would be fun to use, and give the squad an extra edge.

Thanks for the replies! Anything else?
T-

It does depend on what chapter you're running.

As has been said, BT termies are insane on the charge with correct wargear and vow combinations.

One thing a BT marshal bestows to our army is LD10 - as long as he is alive, no-one is below leadership 10. And he can still be inside a LRC for your amy to benefit from this.

Im painting the army as Salamanders, though I dont have Vulkan and therefore no rules that say it's Salamanders in any way other than in looks.
One of the biggest concerns I had was having the Terminators get caught up in a combat they cant win, S4 only gets you so far, re-rolls or not...

Thanks!
T-

That's why you need a Thunder hammer/powerfist/chainfist or two. I would get at least 1 terminator with TH/SS. If you run into a wraithlord, 28 lightning claw attacks are going to do diddly as the wraithlord chuckles and cleans you up.

You can give a relic blade to the captain/chapter master for extra punch whilst keeping the initiative, AND give him meltabombs in case you run into a vehicle, and 1/2 terminators with hammers.

Hope that helps

Redeemer is actually cheaper and better (in most situations) than the Crusader.

camcam_HALO wrote:Redeemer is actually cheaper and better (in most situations) than the Crusader.

That's actually not true at all. The redeemer is highly situational and will almost never get both of it's flamers off in any one turn. The crusader on the other hand proves time and time again that it is THE best Land Raider variant in legal 40k.

if you want more Shananagins you can take Pedro Kantor for the HQ choice. he gives +1 attack to them and makes the Terminators Stubborn instead of Fearless and adds 3 PF attacks of his own.

power fist on an IC has its own problems though.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:power fist on an IC has its own problems though.

Indeed, powerfist + IC = IC in B2B + Going Last = IC taking a good chunk of hits and/or counter-powerfist to the face.

yes..... I'd probably try to do that guy in before he doz me in. poisonally.