Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Hey me and my friends were playing a game and my friends death strike missile landed on my wave serpent and since the wave serpent has the energy field special rule i thought it woul be knocked down to S8 but in the IG codex it says that its S10 all throughout the blast. We didn't know weather it stays at 10 or goes down to 8...

This should go into the YMDC (40K You Make Da Call) forum.

I would think that the S10 throughout the blast thing takes precedence... But I'm not sure either.

k thanks

I am moving the thread to YMDC.

S8, as no shot hitting the front or ides can ever be more than S8

I'd say s10.

Can you provide some basis of argument for that?

Some rules references, for example.

All the deathstrike is is a special blast - instead of dropping strength outside of the hole if it simply S10 regardless of whether you are hit by the centre of the blast or not.

The WS energy field then knocks that down to S8, as it says it works against all weapons.

Nachoman11 wrote:but in the IG codex it says that its S10 all throughout the blast.

There you go Kilkrazy
(back talking a mod aside, I can go look it up, but I'm sure someone else with do it faster)

The Deathstrike rule doesn't specifically state that it MUST be resolved at S10.

I'd argue that the WS Energy Fields are more specific, stating that all weapons above S8 are reduced to S8.

I agree all means all weapons regardless of its special rule etc.

Must say, S8... there is no doubt, ever... why is this even a discussion beyond what it is at now? No one can show you anything in the situation, rules or otherwise that says that in this specific occassion that it isn't S8. Good question thou. You should only respond if you agree to FURTHER cement said ruling, or quote something in said rules/codex's that states everyone else as being wrong. Or if you have a question.

It is S8.

The Wave Field is pretty clear.

That being said, however, if the "blast" scattered and landed behind the Serpent (so would be hitting the rear arc), I would say it would hit at S10, as the rear is not protected by the Wave Field.

Yep, if it ended up behind it would be S10, as the specific DS rules of "S10 across the blast marker" would kick in and override the normal "half strength if centre is off vehicle"

I would say it would have to be S8 unless the center of the blast marker was over the rear section of the wave serpent, or you can't tell since the marker is off the vehicle so you draw a straight line from the center of the blast to the vehicle. Ends up were it ends up.

juraigamer wrote:I would say it would have to be S8 unless the center of the blast marker was over the rear section of the wave serpent, or you can't tell since the marker is off the vehicle so you draw a straight line from the center of the blast to the vehicle. Ends up were it ends up.

Considering it's Barrage that can never fire directly, this is totaly the wrong way to do this, just so you know.

If the centre is over the Wave Serpent itself, it will hit side, no matter where over the hull the centre is. If it isn't, you measure from the centre to the Serpent to see what facing it hits.

True.

Of course what I said only means something for normal blasts. The deathstrike is Str 10 all over, so someone with even a sliver of the marker over the rear of the wave serpent could argue he gets a hit on the rear...

Remind me to not bring wave serpents out vs deathstrikes and visa versa.

You trace LoS from the center of the blast so if the center is not in the rear armor arc...the rest of where the blast touches doesnt matter...

Edit: for Barrage that is

calypso2ts wrote:You trace LoS from the center of the blast so if the center is not in the rear armor arc...the rest of where the blast touches doesnt matter...

Edit: for Barrage that is

No. Page 60 under "The centre of the blast marker ends over the vehicle's hull" says "hits from barrage weapons, however, always hit the vehicle's side armour (representing its top armour)."

Unless the hole scatters off the hull, in which case you work it out from the direction it scattered in.

Which is what we were responding to here

nosferatu1001 wrote:Unless the hole scatters off the hull, in which case you work it out from the direction it scattered in.

Which is what we were responding to here

Indeed, but I responded to the implied information that a direct hit on rear section of a vehicle would be a hit on rear armour, which it isn't

Edit: Good morning. I missed the word "arc", so yes, my comment was extraneous. Sorry, calypso2ts

How could the hole be over the serpent and the serpent only be hit by a sliver of the template?

Regardless, I was indeed speaking to cases where the WS is clipped by the death strike with the hole in the rear armor arc.

The completely correct ruling is: The centre of the blast must land behind the wave serpent for the wave serpent to suffer from str 10.

1 factor must be met for the reduce to strength 8 from strength 10: Is the weapon strength 10?

Yes.

If part of the blast hits the wave serpent, is it still strength 10?

Yes.

Where did it land?

Infront/ to the side of the serpent. It is strength 8.

Behind the wave serpent. It remains strength 10.