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Im thinking of adding some more units to my ork army, when i buy a Nobz box i can turn them into flash gitz or Nobz, any information and views would be great!

P.S: its ment to be badruk with the Flash gitz sorry.

Badrukk and the Gitz are probably the biggest shame in the codex. I don't know anyone who uses them, or would even think of using them. You need to take at least 1-2 upgrades to make them any good, and they're extremely overcosted at that point.

Ghaz gives you entire army fearless for a turn, gives him a 2++ save for an entire turn, and an auto-six in Waaaagh. That's game-changing.

I wouldn't put Ghaz with a Nob Wagon though - that's too many eggs in one basket, and if it gets blown up, the Nobs have to walk slow and purposeful with Ghaz.

Whatever you do, don't get Flash Gitz. Please.


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Actually, maybe that's too harsh. Just don't get Flash Gitz if you're looking for something you want to use in games.
They offer tons of fun for converting projects etc. but they're rubbish on the battlefield.

Well they arnt rubbish, but they are not a top of the list choice. If your playing a fun game, or some story drivin thing then yea they are a blast. I personally LOVE FlashGits, and Ive seen them do some terrible things to my opponents. But on the flip side they are very costly, and to un reliable at killing troops.

Heres some tips on using them. Never EVER waste the points on Badrukk, hes just not worth it. Also never take the blastas rule. Sure it allows you to -1 from your AP roll, but uh.....if you roll 1s you suffer from gets hot. And I dont know what it is, but Gits seem to take more 1s then anything ever. When I was still play testing them, in 1 game by the 5th turn, they literally killed themselves, it was hilarious.

So take shootier and more dakka. They will come in around the cost of a terminator, but have a str6 assault 2 ap d6 weapon. They can really murder some units. Also if you can stick them in a BW for some better armor. They are a blast, but if the game matters at all, or you just want to win, they are not a good choice.

not even a question flash gitz are god awful in comparison with nobz. They need a nice update before being used.

thanks, il prob buy some fantasy black orks to make my nobz stand out and look like they are ´ard nobz (). IL give them a pain boy instead


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thanks, il prob buy some fantasy black orks to make my nobz stand out and look like they are ´ard nobz (). IL give them a pain boy instead


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thanks, il prob buy some fantasy black orks to make my nobz stand out and look like they are ´ard nobz (). IL give them a pain boy instead

Flash Gits are just too unreliable for the points you're paying. Nobz are far more better in every respect.

tko75 wrote:thanks, il prob buy some fantasy black orks to make my nobz stand out and look like they are ´ard nobz (). IL give them a pain boy instead


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thanks, il prob buy some fantasy black orks to make my nobz stand out and look like they are ´ard nobz (). IL give them a pain boy instead


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thanks, il prob buy some fantasy black orks to make my nobz stand out and look like they are ´ard nobz (). IL give them a pain boy instead

Just so you know, black orcs are a little bit smaller then a normal Nob.

By far: 10 Nobz with Gazzy! FTW!

Flashgits are nothing but.... well, a bunch of Gitz!

Skarshak wrote:By far: 10 Nobz with Gazzy! FTW!

Flashgits are nothing but.... well, a bunch of Gitz!

yea, say that when they roll good enough to matter. Ive shot the ever living hell out of HQ/terminators/sternguard squads. Yes they suck if you roll poorly and row a bad AP. Now roll average or better, and roll a 1 or 2, and tell me they are sucky. The looks on peoples faces when you tell them oh thats 7 ap1 wounds in your HQ buddy. You figure it out

hi

Ghazzgull and some nobs will wreck anything in front of them.

Demented Gamer, whats with the Hi? If you're gonna post, post something usefull.

demented_gamer wrote:hi

How helpful
Also, I think flashgitz are cool ,but not really competitive.

Seriously though post something worthwhile reading, man! Hi is for introduction forums!!!

Gitz are fluff wise cool, gamewise worse. Ghazzy is not as good in low point games, but still wrecks face.

I gave my vote to flash gits based on my imaginary projection of a 5th ed ork codex where flash gits gun upgrades are more reasonably priced and they get every wargear option nobs get including a painboy & wagon dedicated transport. The poll didn't specify that we had to vote based off the reality of what the game is now.

If you want Flash Gitz because theyre cool - just take Nobz with Ghaz BUT model them as pirate freebooters with lots of combi-shootas and PK's and big choppas. Make sure their Battlewagon has a boarding plank Their WAAAGH banner should be a Jolly Roger.

NOBZ, you will not look back. But you must get a Painboy and cybork the unit, all armed different 1 PK for ever 3-4 big choppas. Then watch almost anything you assualt vanish. Warboss should join this group for FNP.

I am planning a 5 git unit of Flash Gitz, becouse I like the way they look and modeling the guns look like fun. They might even see play once in a blue moon.

Nobz + Ghazz are definitely more points-efficient.

You know, though... my son often plays a Flash Gitz list that he came up with, inspired by me telling him (based on something I read here) that Old Zogwort goes well with Flash Gitz. The army is centred around a minimal Battlewagon that contains 10 Flash Gitz including Badrukk and a Painboy, joined to Zogwort and a KFF Big Mek. At 1500 he also has a couple of footslogging Boyz mobs, a couple of Killa Kanz, a small Loota squad and some Deffkoptas. In an Annihilation game, at least, I generally have more trouble against that list than against his supposedly more competitive Kans + Battlewagons list. Sure, I always have enough antitank to take the lone Battlewagon out on the first or second turn, but Flash Gitz aren't made useless by taking their transport out, unlike Nobz or Meganobs. They can still shoot you very effectively, and with Zogwort they might just teleport right up close to you, and they're really tough to kill with a forcefield and a Painboy, unless you have Str 8-10 large blasts. So yeah -- they are not points-efficient, they are not hugely competitive, but they are not to be totally dismissed either.

I didnt think you could fit 12 Nobz into a BW?

Nobz, no contest. One of the best units in the codex vs. one of the worst in the game. Easy.

Neither of them sound that great when you take 10 of them in a wagon though, thats way to much points. I think nob Bikers are better if your going with a deathstar.

kaiservonhugal wrote:I didnt think you could fit 12 Nobz into a BW?

You can fit 20 Nobz in a battlewagon, if you so wish. Well, you can't really, as the Nob squad can only go up to 15, but the point still stands.

EDIT: Squad cap is 10, my mistake. Good spot, Shake Zoola.

Cool for some reason I thought they toook up 2 spots.

Mike Noble wrote:Nobz, no contest. One of the best units in the codex vs. one of the worst in the game. Easy.

Neither of them sound that great when you take 10 of them in a wagon though, thats way to much points. I think nob Bikers are better if your going with a deathstar.

Yeaaaaaaaaa......one of the worst? Id say not reliable, so possibly really good unit or possibly not that good unit. But not the worst. Can the worst unit in the game kill outright an entire Terminator squad in 1 turn? I think not.

I personally think we're being alittle too harsh on flash gitz, they're unreliable sure, I've only ever seen them murder MEQ in the open, never termies (Gotta love MoT Termies) and only once make their points value.


However worst unit goes to possessed marines imo. Flashy gitz actually kill somthing without dying.

Everything has been said to be honest. Nobz are far better than flash gitz, who are widely considered to be the worst option in the ork codex, because to make them work you have to make them rediculously expensive, and even then they can be unreliable. Also badrukk, for 135pts, is worse than the flash gitz, his gun isn't all that good and he's unlikely to regain his 135pts.

What Baddruck offers is a BP and Leadership 9, his gun is good but I wouldnt pay the point just for his gun. His main job is to make sure all those points invested in the Gitz dont run away at the first sign of trouble. I like the pirate motif and so would just model Nobs as pirates and forego taking Flash Gitz.

So 135pts is worth a boss pole? Oh dear. Badrukk, is hands down, the worst entry in the entire codex. Hell Id toss him up there with the worst SC in the entire game. Hes insanely over priced, and can kill himself. Hurray. Everytime I run FlashGits, he NEVER is anywhere near the list. I used him one time and regretted it big time by the time the game ended. He is just terrible, which sucks because his mini is awesome looking, and his fluff is just cool. But his stats are horrible. He might be worth it if he was half the points

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

kaiservonhugal wrote:I didnt think you could fit 12 Nobz into a BW?

You can fit 20 Nobz in a battlewagon, if you so wish. Well, you can't really, as the Nob squad can only go up to 15, but the point still stands.

Negative on the 15...you can only have 10 nobs in a unit...Gorskar your idea that nobs count as double comes from the fact that any model in Mega Armor couts double for transport cap...

Shake Zoola wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

kaiservonhugal wrote:I didnt think you could fit 12 Nobz into a BW?

You can fit 20 Nobz in a battlewagon, if you so wish. Well, you can't really, as the Nob squad can only go up to 15, but the point still stands.

Negative on the 15...you can only have 10 nobs in a unit...Gorskar your idea that nobs count as double comes from the fact that any model in Mega Armor couts double for transport cap...

Not my idea, the other guy's. I was answering him. I know full well that Nobz are single until you given them mega armour.

You can't give nobz Mega armour.....