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Rune Priest, chooser, hurricane, living lightning 110

3 Wolf Guard, 3 combi melta 69
Lasplas 75

3 Wolf Guard, 3 combi melta 69
Lasplas 75

3 Wolf Guard, 3 combi melta 69
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

4 Long Fangs, 3 ML 90
Lasplas 75

4 Long Fangs, 3 ML 90
Lasplas 75

4 Long Fangs, 3 ML 90
Lasplas 75

= 1997

12 lasplas, 9 ML, 3 triple melta squads for that land raider and 6 flamers for the little 'uns. Is it enough?

Unreasonably and unfortunately legally, good.

Damn

Thanks

Though just the thought of the cost of building this army makes me shudder. Luckily you can scratchbuild!

Of course you'll can scratchbuild the tanks. The firsts 2 will be a little "improvised" but all the others will be better, no doubth.

But seriously think about it, before spending too much time on a list vs a lot of people will concede for no competition.

Unoriginal I admit, however it still looks competitive none-the-less.
I would however recommend MotW on the Grey Hunters at-least and more Rune Priests.

The Rune Priests should help your all ready small squads stay around for longer and MotW would provide counter-attack which is other-wise severely lacking.
I'd also recommend switching a few Las/plas Razorbacks for twin-linked Lascannons as this provides more reliability as well as more variation, rather than copy/paste.

As I said, it's un-original, un-fluffy and tedious but - sadly - it does work. Largely.

needs more targeters

Well, one major downside is that its 25 easy killpoints.

Yeah. I abandoned this list after remembering that every tournament contains at least one kill point mission. having so many armor value 11 will put you at a disadvantage in those missions if you can't close the deal by turn 4. (ie... wipe them off the table.)

Also in 6 to 8 months, you are going to start seeing 30 dark lances on the table. DE will put a hurting on you with this list.

scubasteve04 wrote:Well, one major downside is that its 25 easy killpoints.

How is scoring 3.5 - 5 killpoints a turn easy?

Thats not what I meant. I meant that each kill point was easy (4-5 strength squads, or AV 11 11 10 vehicles) and there are 25 of them.

I did not mean reaching 25 kill points would be easy. A horde army could kill less then half this army and have a single model on the table and still win.

Dark lances arent any more effective against this army than the next. My loganwing has 28 ML in it, and melta to boot. IG has lots of guns. Shooty armies are nothing new.

Putting down vehicles at range isnt too easy, you do really need to get close if you wanna kill more than 2-3 lasplas per turn. And then you enter the killzone and take 12 TL plasmaguns to the face, followed by flamers and massed bolter fire.

Plus, you have 12 av11 boxes. Losing 2-3 doesn't matter, hell, you can lose half and still pack a lot of firepower. The list has a ridiculous amount of redundancy.

MSU armies work better. 3 units of 10 will beat a large unit of 30, every time. They can be in 3 places at once, they can kill 3 enemies at once. Large units are overkill. Its far better to have several small units, who you can combine for the same task, instead of having, say, 20 bloodletters charge 10 grots (when 5 bloodletters could have done it).

Why not just use the list Stelek drafted a year ago. Its pretty much the same thing (see below):

2000 Pts - Space Wolves Roster - Maximum Overdrive

1 Rune Priest in Power Armour w/Chooser of the Slain; Tempest's Wrath; Thunderclap.

2 Wolf Guard in Power Armour w/ Combi-Meltagun x2 w/1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)
2 Wolf Guard in Power Armour w/ Combi-Meltagun x2 w/1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)
2 Wolf Guard in Power Armour w/ Combi-Meltagun x2 w/1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

5 Grey Hunters w/ Flamer w/1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)
5 Grey Hunters w/ Flamer w/1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)
5 Grey Hunters w/ Flamer w/1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)
5 Grey Hunters w/ Flamer w/1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)
5 Grey Hunters w/ Flamer w/1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)
5 Grey Hunters w/ Flamer w/1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

1 Land Speeder (Heavy Bolter; Typhoon Missile Launcher)
1 Land Speeder (Heavy Bolter; Typhoon Missile Launcher)
1 Land Speeder (Heavy Bolter; Typhoon Missile Launcher)

1 Wolf Guard in Power Armour, 2 Long Fangs w/Missile Launchers, Squad Leader in Rhino.
1 Wolf Guard in Power Armour, 2 Long Fangs w/Missile Launchers, Squad Leader in Rhino.
1 Wolf Guard in Power Armour, 2 Long Fangs w/Missile Launchers, Squad Leader in Rhino.

Total Roster Cost: 1997

Because, I've read that list before, and knew if I posted it up I would immediately be flamed to death.

And because I like to think for myself instead of copypasting. I was requested a razorspam list for SW, so I made this. Stelek's is probably better. Who knows *shrug*

I thought I was the only person in the world who owned 12 Razorbacks...

Unholy_Martyr wrote:I thought I was the only person in the world who owned 12 Razorbacks...

I am building number 8 tonight. 4 more to go...

You are not alone, my friend!!

Now, to scratchbuild the final 3 razorbacks needed for this list!

I'd put some lords on wolves in there

Oh well...I guess when you're on top you get lonely after a while...

Just had a thought: Epic Apocalypse Battle 10,000 points each side. Razorspam Vs. Thunderwolves only...

That'd be interesting to see...

10000 grots vs 50 thunderwolves??

Epic.

This comes to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TY_zITJ68k

Jabbdo wrote:Is it enough?

Yep, time for you to stop posting.

I'm just curious as to what the point is in this thread? Just to prove that something can be done? If that's the case then...congrats, you've managed to type up an incredibly unimaginative, unfluffy, spam-to-the-max, yet highly competitive list.

Does your e-peen feel bigger now?

L. Wrex

ph34r wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:Is it enough?

Yep, time for you to stop posting.

You know, I'm not exactly Jabbdo's greatest fan and I also dislike the way he constantly posts random Space Wolf lists which are commonly pretty bad and then refuses to accept criticism.

However, I won't needlessly insult him or whatever.

Put simply: Quit It. There's no need.

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:I'm just curious as to what the point is in this thread? Just to prove that something can be done? If that's the case then...congrats, you've managed to type up an incredibly unimaginative, unfluffy, spam-to-the-max, yet highly competitive list.

Does your e-peen feel bigger now?

L. Wrex

I'm sorry, aren't we meant to post up lists into a forum titled: "40k Army Lists"??

If this is the case, then I apologize.

If not, feth off, and stop trolling. This goes for ph34r too. You guys flamed my list, saying it sucked. I gave you this. What now? Sad because there's nothing you can flame here?

Id just like to point out to some people, you can read who started a topic, So if you know you dont like the person who started it for whatever reason, Dont Read The Topic, simple!

Or even, read it but do not post necessarily.

Anyway, about the list:

It's totally over-kill, I'll couldn't be able to stop a list like this for sure. Absolutely competitive, no doubth.

But, If I can.. a good rules interpreter as I think you should be will find for sure a better compromise between the pure competitivity and the background/historical side of this game.

If you only want to win some tournament let's go. If you want to win some tournament and be remembered as a smart player try to apply a personal tactic method instead of just using a self-playin' list.

What an imaginative and fluff filled list I am sure it will be good fun to play with....

Good luck finding an opponent.

This is a really good list. Will cause almost any army real problems, though I would say KP missions make MSU not the no-brainer you seem to believe.

As for this coment:

I'd also recommend switching a few Las/plas Razorbacks for twin-linked Lascannons as this provides more reliability as well as more variation, rather than copy/paste.

This is really bad advice. TL-LC has no advantages over TL AssCann, you can more reliably take down AV12 and above with the AssCann and you can take on hordes. If you're going to swap any turrets swap them for AssCanns. But I like the redundancy on a massive scale of your build.

FlingitNow wrote:

I'd also recommend switching a few Las/plas Razorbacks for twin-linked Lascannons as this provides more reliability as well as more variation, rather than copy/paste.

This is really bad advice. TL-LC has no advantages over TL AssCann, you can more reliably take down AV12 and above with the AssCann and you can take on hordes. If you're going to swap any turrets swap them for AssCanns. But I like the redundancy on a massive scale of your build.

TL-LC has advantages over an assault cannon, being range, AP and Strength.
I agree, TL Assault Cannons are very good and arguably better, but the OP has no such similar ranged weapons in his list and as I said, TL LC's are more likely/reliably going to hit than Las/plas whilst they could also provide some minor, but much needed, variation to this list.

TL-LC has advantages over an assault cannon, being range, AP and Strength.
I agree, TL Assault Cannons are very good and arguably better, but the OP has no such similar ranged weapons in his list and as I said, TL LC's are more likely/reliably going to hit than Las/plas whilst they could also provide some minor, but much needed, variation to this list.

He has plasma guns on all his razorbacks, they have identical range to the AssCann. The Strength isn't a real advantage though as rending makes the AssCann better against armour. AP is also largely irrelevant as the extra shots and rending of the AssCann makes it better against heavy infantry (and you're wasting a LC firing at that type of target). It is only the range that makes a difference and he could use the AssCann Razorbacks as his first line shield which would mitigate the range issue.

It would also give him some genuine variety in the list. Taking TL-LC would be just taking a different weapon for the sake of it. The AssCann would not only increase the reliability against armour both also give him better ranged horde control and a different gun.

But I'd suggest he stays with his current load out as it gives him more redundancy. Las-plas and Asscann are the only razorback back variants to ever be worth taking.

Jabbdo wrote:I'm sorry, aren't we meant to post up lists into a forum titled: "40k Army Lists"??

If this is the case, then I apologize.

If not, feth off, and stop trolling. This goes for ph34r too. You guys flamed my list, saying it sucked. I gave you this. What now? Sad because there's nothing you can flame here?

Just for the record I didn't 'flame' your other list. In fact, I don't think I even posted on your other list (except for the other Razorspam one). My point is, that if this is merely an extension of the 1500pt list, why not make an addendum in that thread and add the list there? Instead of creating an entirely new one just to prove you can break a codex even further?

This thread proves nothing other than you can spam Razorbacks with Space Wolves. I still don't know exactly what your trying to prove, as this was a well-known fact prior to you starting this thread, except to show all the other naysayers who slammed your other threads that you can build a spam-happy list. If thats so then congrats, you've managed it.

The list is very, very competitive and is good because of that. Outside of tournaments, however, this will see you ostracised from gaming clubs quicker than you can blink. One final thing; the reason I reacted with such virtriol is that I hate to see lists like this. They are un-imaginative, un-fun, un-fluffy and basically highlight all of the things I hate about the current internet-meta.

L. Wrex