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Was there ever a point in any of the fiction where Tyranids Collided with forces of Chaos? I have read through my 'nid codex and never saw anything on this so I don't think it ever happened. Honestly though it seems like Chaos is the only force capable of stopping them when/if they defeat the ork empire and come back 3X as big. Not to mention the whole eye of terror thing, they cant really assault that like a planet controlled by Imperial Guard.
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"Strike first, strike hard, no mercy." "We are judged in life by the evil we destroy." "I am going to drastically thin the enemies ranks."
Generally speaking, the Tyranids are incapable of "worship" in the traditional sense, and so Chaos Tyranids are impossible in the same sense that a Chaos Pigeon is impossible.
On the other hand, there are documented instances of Tyranid organisms being mutated, possessed and infected by the power of the Warp. The Daemon Hunters book documents this a few times, and Storm of Iron (good book, by the way) has the Iron Warriors infect a wounded, isolated Hive Ship with the Obliterator techno-virus.
There is no hard and fast rule on how this works - the innate Tyranid Warp-presence (dominance/overload) of their Hive Mind seems to keep the nastier effects of the Warp under control most of the time. It is sugggested that the Tyranids' resistance to the Warp is dependant on their numbers (and collected psychic strength). An infestation of Hormagaunts, for instance, would be far more likely to become carriers for a Nurgle contagion than a fully fledged invasion of a planet under the Shadow in the Warp.
That makes sense, it just seems that Chaos have a limitless supply of troops at their disposal for it feeds on the wrongdoings of man and the fact the eye of terror exists. Wich also seems that if tyranid assaulted the area they would take out the quarantine surrounding it first. (The cadian gate) this would allow black crusades to go uncontested.
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The relationship between 'nids, synapse, and the hive mind would preclude any kind of in depth corruption by the warp. A small group of bugs with no synapse would probably be as likely to develop mutations as any other animal.
Xyptc wrote:Storm of Iron (good book, by the way) has the Iron Warriors infect a wounded, isolated Hive Ship with the Obliterator techno-virus.
Err does it? I think that you might have your books mixed up there.
yeah,dont remember that in storm of iron.
I would think tyranids are boned when/if they get to the eye. because after they may kill all the CSM and cultists they are only fighting daemons. and then they arent getting new material from the warp.
ACtually the only time that I can recall it happening was in the Blood Angel book Black Tide. I do not want to spoil here but they did meet somewhat during that book, but not in the sense I think you are looking for.
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In the new Tyranid codex the map shows the hive fleet avoiding a plague world. I think the warp and Tyranids are repulsive forces to each, either the Tyranids avoiding chaos, or chaos being repressed by the hive mind. Kind of like polarities on a magnet.
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The tyranids kill and eat chaos servants just as much as anyone else. In the tyranid codex it says it took the nids 3 days to sack an Iron Warriors fortress world. And there is a quote in the 4th edition codex from a chaos sorcerer talking about how chaos needs to fight the nids before they take the galaxy that belongs to them. And chaos can corrupt isolated nids, nurgle tainted genestealers, splinter fleet sucked into warp storms come out all mutated, they hive ship in SoI.
Now daemons are another story. Tyranids would have no desire to fight daemons as there is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost with battles against them, which is why nids avoid daemon worlds and warp storms. Though Im sure chaos servants summon daemon incursions to defend there worlds against nids from time to time so conflicts between the 2 would be inevitable.
Now if nids find away to not only feed off biological matter but also the warp/soul energy (feeding the hive minds psychic might) of daemons then chaos and the warp as a whole will be in ALOT of trouble.
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On the same principle as daemons, tyranids also avoid 'crons due to lack of biomass.
I don't think that tyranids can be tainted by chaos in the psychic sense. Nurgle/Tzeentch may be able to corrupt them physically by say spreading a virus or some other stuff that causes mutation, but mentally they still are only capable of doing exactly what the hive mind tells them to do. This I base on the fact that the shadow in the warp is essentially a null zone that precedes the tyranid invasion.
And that is why you hear people yelling FOR THE EMPEROR rather than FOR LOGICAL AND QUANTIFIABLE BASED DECISIONS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE MAJORITY!
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daveNYC wrote:The Craftworld guys, who are such stick-in-the-muds that they manage to make the Ultramarines look like an Ibiza nightclub that spiked its Red Bull with LSD.
Leigen_Zero wrote:On the same principle as daemons, tyranids also avoid 'crons due to lack of biomass.
I don't think that tyranids can be tainted by chaos in the psychic sense. Nurgle/Tzeentch may be able to corrupt them physically by say spreading a virus or some other stuff that causes mutation, but mentally they still are only capable of doing exactly what the hive mind tells them to do. This I base on the fact that the shadow in the warp is essentially a null zone that precedes the tyranid invasion.
Agreed, but I dont believe its a "null zone" like in a pariah or blank sense. I think just the massive psychic presence of the hive mind overshadows everything else in the warp. Thats just my interpratation and since the codex is vagee on the shadow Ill just leave it at that. lol
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Tyranids are were immune to the Nurgle's diseases when they fighted with Death Guard in Eye of Terror Codex which implies that the Hive Mind protects them against that kind of attacks.
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IvanTih wrote:Tyranids are were immune to the Nurgle's diseases when they fighted with Death Guard in Eye of Terror Codex which implies that the Hive Mind protects them against that kind of attacks.
Yes but we were refering to nids who get seperated from the main hive fleets are the ones that can fall to corruption.
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IvanTih wrote:Tyranids are were immune to the Nurgle's diseases when they fighted with Death Guard in Eye of Terror Codex which implies that the Hive Mind protects them against that kind of attacks.
Yes but we were refering to nids who get seperated from the main hive fleets are the ones that can fall to corruption.
I know.
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actiondan wrote:According to popular belief I cannot use drop pods because only the Imperium can organize itself enough to put 10 men in a container and fire it at a planet.
It would seem that the Hive mind is almost a god. It can stop its armies from being tainted by chaos at all, psykers that have looked at it have been killed or driven insane (save two i think is the number?). Not to mention the age it has to be. Please mention anything that disproves this, it seems quite God-like IMO.
"Strike first, strike hard, no mercy." "We are judged in life by the evil we destroy." "I am going to drastically thin the enemies ranks."
xXSir MontyXx wrote:It would seem that the Hive mind is almost a god. It can stop its armies from being tainted by chaos at all, psykers that have looked at it have been killed or driven insane (save two i think is the number?). Not to mention the age it has to be. Please mention anything that disproves this, it seems quite God-like IMO.
Before anyone goes anywhere near that question, can you define "god" for us in your context?
As much as id love to see a Khornifex,it just wont happen that way tyranid would devour the entire galaxy and probably just move on leaving the chaos gods to wither and die.
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Before anyone goes anywhere near that question, can you define "god" for us in your context?
Well, I would say. An immortal being with almost limitless power and influence. The ALMOST being the fact that gods dont control free will EXCEPT the hive mind it would seem. Wich is why I said it could be ALMOST a god. (MAYBE).
"Strike first, strike hard, no mercy." "We are judged in life by the evil we destroy." "I am going to drastically thin the enemies ranks."
JazzyJ wrote:As much as id love to see a Khornifex,it just wont happen that way tyranid would devour the entire galaxy and probably just move on leaving the chaos gods to wither and die.
idk brother, the minions of khorne seem to be doing a-okay in that picture, especially considering slaughter and warfare only feeds them.
actiondan wrote:According to popular belief I cannot use drop pods because only the Imperium can organize itself enough to put 10 men in a container and fire it at a planet.
Before anyone goes anywhere near that question, can you define "god" for us in your context?
Well, I would say. An immortal being with almost limitless power and influence. The ALMOST being the fact that gods dont control free will EXCEPT the hive mind it would seem. Wich is why I said it could be ALMOST a god. (MAYBE).
Mmm, though of course since the Hive Mind "entity" is quite literally the collected minds of the Tyranid race, quite how much it "controls" the Tyranids is open for debate, given that they are the same thing. That would be like saying your brain controls your free will - in a sense, yes... but equally "well, duh?".
I think they key thing to remember here is that the Tyranid Hive Mind is not seperated from the Tyranid race in the same way that the Chaos Gods, Gork & Mork, Khaine etc are seperated from the powers that create them. If you're going to call it a "god", then you're essentially calling the Tyranid race as a whole a "god".
Really I would just stay away from that word altogether in this context - it's doubtful that the concept is applicable.
I see what you mean, im going to read up more on the hive mind. I always thought of the hive mind as an actual being not just a collective conciousness. I should have worded my statement better as well, when I was typing my "almost god message" I was thinking something more like the Emperor of humanity, because if either were to die than both races would be flung into the dark ages. (no warp travel will bring any civilization in this universe crashing down.) Point being I always pictured the hive mind as the same as the emperor, God-like and followed as such with unending loyalty. With a few differences I know.
"Strike first, strike hard, no mercy." "We are judged in life by the evil we destroy." "I am going to drastically thin the enemies ranks."
This is our galaxy. Ours to corrupt. Ours to enslave. The gods will not be denied their prize.
- Xerxeth, Sorcerer of the Black Legio, Codex Tyranids 4th Ed.
Spoiler:
Word Bearers: Dark Disciple has a Chaos warband attempting to retrieve information on an artifact from a world on the eve of a Tyrranid invasion. Great fun is had by all, especially Kol Badar.
In Space Wolves: Ragnar's Claw a Genestealer brood seems to have been tainted by Nurgle, although that was due to *somewhat* unusual circumstances- the Broodlord had a fragment of this Eldar talisman that had been used to banish a Great Unclean One, you see...
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xXSir MontyXx wrote:I see what you mean, im going to read up more on the hive mind. I always thought of the hive mind as an actual being not just a collective conciousness. I should have worded my statement better as well, when I was typing my "almost god message" I was thinking something more like the Emperor of humanity, because if either were to die than both races would be flung into the dark ages. (no warp travel will bring any civilization in this universe crashing down.) Point being I always pictured the hive mind as the same as the emperor, God-like and followed as such with unending loyalty. With a few differences I know.
Xyptc wrote:Storm of Iron (good book, by the way) has the Iron Warriors infect a wounded, isolated Hive Ship with the Obliterator techno-virus.
Err does it? I think that you might have your books mixed up there.
yeah,dont remember that in storm of iron.
try reading SoI again
it is pretty clear that it was hive ship carrying titans
Will do, has been a little while since i've read it, think it's about time that I gave this classic a reread
The way that I interpret the Hive Mind is that it is the brain and the Tyranids are it's appendages, hence why if a Synapse creature gets disconnected from the Hive Mind it will revert to it's instinctive behaviour. The Tyranid creatures in Salamander appear to have been there on the planet for sometime and have formed their own way of live. I guess that as soon as the Hive Mind got back in range then it would assimilate them back into itself, if they weren't to devolved or changed, like the Ymgarl Genestealers.
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