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Hey, I am new to WHFB, I played a little in 7th ed with Khorne Daemons. I won almost every game I played with them without really knowing what was going on and hated it. With 8th ed having come out I have decided to give it another shot. I bought a WoC army that has Knights, Marauder/horsemen, and Chaos Warriors aplenty. My question is which Mark is the best for these units? I am assuming MoT is very powerful since I have my guys all modeled with Shield/Weapon. Or would Nurgle be a better choice? Any advice is welcome on the Marks I should give my guys. I should mention I want to give the same mark to the whole army. I don't like to mix the gods. ?

Khorne gives you more hitting power, that I find that warriors often don't need. If you do go khorne, you'll want halberds or great weapons on the warriors to maximize the damage output. GW sells both weapon sets online.

Tzeench improves the parry, but against monsters, flankers and chariots, you get no parry, the 6+ ward helps against shooting, especially when combined with the ironcurse talisman (6+ ward vs warmachines becomes 5+).

Nurgle helps against some shooting, but only helps in hand to hand against WS3 and WS6 opponents (for warriors/knights), and WS2 or WS5 opponents for Marauders/ogres.

Slaanesh isn't so hot now that terror = panic, and you already get a re-roll against panic.

Any one of the marks can work, you just need to be aware of the limitations of each mark. Also take a look at the lores of magic, if you do go all marked.




The short answer is go tzeech, all the cool kids are doing it.


-Matt

Matt has most of it right.

Do not give Warriors a GW, its not worth loosing their high Int.

Khorne gives you more hitting power and should be used with AHW or Halberd Warriors (or Flail/GW Marauders).

Nurgle's FAQ makes it -1 to hit. So it still is good, I use MoN Halberd Warriors and they are amazing.

Tzneech is good, every WoC army uses a block of 18+ to anchor their army. They are good, but don't run an entire MoT army, it gets really annoying to play against.

Slaanesh isn't as useful for Warriros but on marauders it has its uses.

Your best bet is to figure out which Marks work for you and then use a combination of them for tactical flexibility.

All the marks have their merits and each has an appropriate points cost associated with them. I think any of them could be used for the whole army theme although MoS might be less useful and MoK might be slightly more unpredictable because of frenzy.
That said I think you should go with the Chaos God you like most and/or the colours your most want to paint. Take into consideration the colours you would be using if you went with each mark and what you think would look best for your army. Be sure to check out the Character models for each of the Marked Chaos Heroes. Personally I fell in love with some of the Nurgle characters and went from there.

Shield + Hand weapon units do kind of beg to have MoT though.

In my eyes, Tzeentch warriors are cool and all, but who gives a crap when you kill everyone before they can even hit you back? Khorne gives you more attacks (with warriors, that is potentially 4 whole attacks per model. ) and makes you able to slaughter a lot more dudes.

JSK-Fox wrote:In my eyes, Tzeentch warriors are cool and all, but who gives a crap when you kill everyone before they can even hit you back? Khorne gives you more attacks (with warriors, that is potentially 4 whole attacks per model. ) and makes you able to slaughter a lot more dudes.

Because you wont. Its that simple, you may kill more dudes and win combat but you will also lose more guys to return attacks and shooting. With everyone taking a BSB and steadfast even if you win combat that unit may be sticking around for awhile. The MoT warriors will be be albe to survive the ensuing flank charges that the unit will receive better than MoK warriors.

I think you want a mix of marks. That's what I'm planning on. Khorne for hammering, Tzeentch for anvilling.

I debated nurgle and tzeentch for a long time. I ended up going nurgle because painting tzeentch warriors dont look scary at all. Blue and gold .. no thx.

Also nurgles -1 to hit for shooting and melee is amazing. IMO.

nurgle is -1WS not -1to hit in melee there is a difference. and nurgle is awsome when you pair i it up with fear/terror, reduce a unit to WS1, then give them -1 for ws0.
and its -1 to hit with ranged, which doesnt affect war machines... :-(

Nurgle does not give -1ws check the faq.

No... lixulana is pretty much exactly correct. MoN makes units targeting the bearer do so at -1WS. It is just for attacks on the MoN guy, not all the melee, but still.

ERRATA

Page 110 – The Mark of Nurgle
Change the second paragraph to “A model with the Mark of Nurgle is difficult to target. Ranged attacks that target him are at -1 To Hit. Models that target him in close combat are at -1 WS.”

Right, which can actually be worse if you have a considerably higher WS to begin with.

Yes, a -1 to hit would be a lot better over all.

What if you take a unit of Chaos worriors with MoN and put the banner of rage on them? it would be like having 2 marks on one unit.

Matt65 wrote:What if you take a unit of Chaos worriors with MoN and put the banner of rage on them? it would be like having 2 marks on one unit.

No, it would be like having a nurgle unit with a banner that makes them frenzied.

Just be sure to watch you're flanks with frenzied units. Some people (me) will take a unit of 6 harpies and go 1 wide 6 deep into your flank. When you win (you will) and when I break (I will) you're now running sideways out of the main battle field. Gives me another few turns of shooting.

Chaos has lots of good banners. If you're already going to win combat, you might be better off with something other than frenzy.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:

Matt65 wrote:What if you take a unit of Chaos worriors with MoN and put the banner of rage on them? it would be like having 2 marks on one unit.

No, it would be like having a nurgle unit with a banner that makes them frenzied.

Just be sure to watch you're flanks with frenzied units. Some people (me) will take a unit of 6 harpies and go 1 wide 6 deep into your flank. When you win (you will) and when I break (I will) you're now running sideways out of the main battle field. Gives me another few turns of shooting.

Chaos has lots of good banners. If you're already going to win combat, you might be better off with something other than frenzy.

-Matt

very good point, didnt see that one.