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Mephiston 250

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55 (twin linked assault cannon)

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

Baal Predator, TLAC, dozer blade 120

Baal Predator, TLAC, dozer blade 120

Vindicator, dozer blade 150

Vindicator, dozer blade 150

= 1750

Baals zoom into midfield first turn to give the razors and vindis behind cover saves, everything hangs around at 24" and blasts away. Meph hangs around in midfield to make people not wanna come there. If something gets close, zoom away 12" while still firing at full effect.

Thoughts?

Jabbdo wrote:Mephiston 250

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

5 man assault squad, flamer, remove packs 105
Razorback, TLAC 55

Baal Predator, TLAC, dozer blade 120

Baal Predator, TLAC, dozer blade 120

Vindicator, dozer blade 150

Vindicator, dozer blade 150

= 1750

Baals zoom into midfield first turn to give the razors and vindis behind cover saves, everything hangs around at 24" and blasts away. Meph hangs around in midfield to make people not wanna come there. If something gets close, zoom away 12" while still firing at full effect.

Thoughts?

This looks evil, have you tested it yet?

Needs more Dakka...not enough Rending shots...

I've played a similar list, but it had *only* 6 TLAC and no vindis. Gonna try this one out tomorrow, I'll post up how it goes.

The list is for a comped tourney btw, only 2 of the same HS, FA and elites allowed, no restriction on troops or HQ.

Too....Much.....Cookie-cutter.....


And why bother having Assault Squads without packs? Just take Tactical Sqauds.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:Needs more Dakka...not enough Rending shots...

Is this sarcasm I am sensing?

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Squigsquasher wrote:Too....Much.....Cookie-cutter.....


And why bother having Assault Squads without packs? Just take Tactical Sqauds.

Because assault squads get a special weapon at 5man, AND they get razors for cheaper.

Ok, so I can't really comment, as I don't play the sons of Sanguinius.

However, I hate, and I mean HATE, cookie-cutter lists.

10 fast rhino chassis? I think its time to bust out the uber cheese Imperial Guard Mech Vet List...

4+ cover saves on all the tanks helps a lot when I'm not going first

I think this list could give IG a run for their money. Not as well as space wolf razorspam, but then again this list has much better mobility and torrent ability.

I'm envisioning 6 Melta Vet Squads...all in Chimeras, 2 Vendettas, A Company Command Squad with Meltas...oh and Hydra Flack Tanks with a Manticore!!! Sillyness abound!

I'd replace the Vindicators by Predators (with autocannon, 2x lascannon).
One weapon-destroyed result and the Vindicator becomes next to useless (bar contesting and tank shocking).

Autolas preds are an option, I'd just like to keep the vindis for the fear factor they generate and the duality they have. They also help a lot against 2+ saves, TWC, or other deathstar units, and the 2 of them can pretty reliably take down a land raider if needed.


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Unholy_Martyr wrote:I'm envisioning 6 Melta Vet Squads...all in Chimeras, 2 Vendettas, A Company Command Squad with Meltas...oh and Hydra Flack Tanks with a Manticore!!! Sillyness abound!

Fair enough, but bear in mind those chimera vets will have a hard time getting into range when I can back away and fire at the same speed they advance. On the first turn the only stuff that will be in range are the vendettas, the 2 squads inside, and the hydras and manticore.

Don't forgwt the 6 Multi-Lasers as well!

Unholy_Martyr wrote:Don't forgwt the 6 Multi-Lasers as well!

and 36 lasguns!

That's the kind of list that would absolutely slaughter anything I could put together... but to watch it slaughter me... would *almost* be worth it. If it was nicely painted... it would definitely be worth it.

seems like this is the norm for BA army lists recently. I like it though, seems like a very fundamental setup without getting bogged down in elite choices.

Oh, but wait. . .what's this!?. . .Oh, Dear! It's 5 BA Land Raiders with 2 Libbys each spamming Shield of Sanguinous. . .Ooooooo, you lose

So you play Blood Angels and Space Wolves. Nice!

The List has 4 Heavy Support Choices?

Overall I dont think the Individual Units are very effective.

I think you over estimate how effective str 7 weapons are. You defantly need more anti Tank because anything above 12 armor will be incredibly hard to destroy. I also dont understand why the Rhinos have Auto Cannons, If your going to move them 6 Inches then you wont make it up the Board very Quickly.

I dont think squads of 5 are effective and to me are free kill points.

Basically the strength of this list is 10 Tanks. 6 Of them are pretty easy to kill, 4 of them are a little harder. I dont see you winning any tank fights because Auto Cannons wont get the Job Done. As far as your assult squads they wont do much in groups of 5.

Smitty0305 wrote:So you play Blood Angels and Space Wolves. Nice!

The List has 4 Heavy Support Choices?

Overall I dont think the Individual Units are very effective.

I think you over estimate how effective str 7 weapons are. You defantly need more anti Tank because anything above 12 armor will be incredibly hard to destroy. I also dont understand why the Rhinos have Auto Cannons, If your going to move them 6 Inches then you wont make it up the Board very Quickly.

I dont think squads of 5 are effective and to me are free kill points.

Basically the strength of this list is 10 Tanks. 6 Of them are pretty easy to kill, 4 of them are a little harder. I dont see you winning any tank fights because Auto Cannons wont get the Job Done. As far as your assult squads they wont do much in groups of 5.

Baals are fast attack

There seems to be alot of folks commenting on this list that have not actually read the BA codex.
BTW, I love this list.

Jabbdo wrote:4+ cover saves on all the tanks helps a lot when I'm not going first

I think this list could give IG a run for their money. Not as well as space wolf razorspam, but then again this list has much better mobility and torrent ability.

This list feels absurd, looks absurd, and I'm fairly sure it is absurd. TY for not trying to run a landraider with terminators inside

Grim Smasha wrote:Oh, but wait. . .what's this!?. . .Oh, Dear! It's 5 BA Land Raiders with 2 Libbys each spamming Shield of Sanguinous. . .Ooooooo, you lose

I go and troll 1 with meph while displelling shield if possible, and drive away from the others while blasting them with the vindis and AC's and hoping for rends. Far from perfect, but a lot better than what some builds get.


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Smitty0305 wrote:So you play Blood Angels and Space Wolves. Nice!

The List has 4 Heavy Support Choices?

Overall I dont think the Individual Units are very effective.

I think you over estimate how effective str 7 weapons are. You defantly need more anti Tank because anything above 12 armor will be incredibly hard to destroy. I also dont understand why the Rhinos have Auto Cannons, If your going to move them 6 Inches then you wont make it up the Board very Quickly.

I dont think squads of 5 are effective and to me are free kill points.

Basically the strength of this list is 10 Tanks. 6 Of them are pretty easy to kill, 4 of them are a little harder. I dont see you winning any tank fights because Auto Cannons wont get the Job Done. As far as your assult squads they wont do much in groups of 5.

Baal predators are FA, and vindis are HS.

TLAC stands for twin linked assault cannon, should have made that clear, my bad.

The assault squads arent meant to do much, except sit in the tank and hope for the best, and maybe flame some GEQ's if needed.


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Thanks for all the replies guys =)

BTW Mephiston is an utter beast. Think of him as a hive tyrant, on steroids, with a thunder hammer that strikes at initiative 7, who moves as fast as cavalry, and you're getting there

Too bad he doesn't have Eternal Warrior or an Invulnerable save...saw the poor bastard get punked last night by a Hexrifle...was kind of funny.

Mephiston sat out in the open on his own will be lord of death for the wrong reason I feel. He is the only unit not sat inside armour and so anything that can't kill a razorback is going to shoot at him. I'd not bother, take some priests and maybe a librarian instead and stuff them in the razors too.

Agree you can do next to nothing against Armour 12 or above. Vindies have that vulnerable 24" range so they will need to come close and they are likely to get shot up by all the high str weapons the opponent has. By turn two you might have lost both vindicators and mephiston and then you might be in a bit of trouble. Get some lascannons out there so that even if you do keep the vindicators (and I wouldn't) then there are some other valid threats to their vehicles.

Assault cannons are str6 rending, so av12 is just as easy to kill as av11, and with rending str6 can even pen av14.

Meph steals an assault squads ride, or hides behind any tank, he's really easy to hide as he's an infantry figure.

Priests wouldnt really benefit the army as its full mech anyway, and a lib would only help by providing shield, as meph already provides psy defense.

Meph has his faults, but I personally like him. Hive Tyrants arent eternal and dont have an invul, but no one bitches about that. Meph is a hive tyrant with an extra wound, a 2+ save, and some kickass psy powers, who can get a cover save by having his left toe in cover, for which a tyrant needs a tyrant guard. When you start to think of meph as a pumped up hive tyrant, you start to realise what a bargain he really is.

That's why I don't run tyrants in my Nid list - I go for primes and attach them. Mephiston can't really hitch a ride as he needs to start off outside the dedicated transport and so loses a round. No problem with him per se, just that he is a shooting magnet in this list.

I know your list is mech, but I assumed the assault troops were likely to pop out at some time ...

Still not convinced about relying on rending on autocannons to take out armour 12+ - you're totally reliant on rolling 6s.

You're the expert though, or so it appears, as you've dismissed everyone's comments. Wonder why you even posted this list ...

ruminator wrote:That's why I don't run tyrants in my Nid list - I go for primes and attach them. Mephiston can't really hitch a ride as he needs to start off outside the dedicated transport and so loses a round. No problem with him per se, just that he is a shooting magnet in this list.

I know your list is mech, but I assumed the assault troops were likely to pop out at some time ...

Still not convinced about relying on rending on autocannons to take out armour 12+ - you're totally reliant on rolling 6s.

You're the expert though, or so it appears, as you've dismissed everyone's comments. Wonder why you even posted this list ...

Mephiston starts the game hidden behind a razor. Turn 1 he tries to cast wings. If he succeeds, he flies forwards, screening himself behind the razor. If he fails, the assault squad in the razor jumps out, and meph steals it, so he can still get forward at a respectable pace.

The troops might pop out to flame something, but they wont charge anything remotely dangerous. With 1 priest I can get 1 or max 2 squads under the bubble. Dont get me wrong, its a possibility I'm considering, but I can't really decide what I would drop to get it. Probably an assault squad+razor, giving me 160pts, so I can pick up a priest+librarian for some shieldage.

The assault cannons have 4 TL shots each, so thats likely 4 hits. Then 6's to pen against av 11. Against av12, a 6 also results in a pen thanks to rending, as it immediately bumps the result up by 1-3, resulting in a pen anyway.

Actually, no I'm not an expert. I believe I have some experience playing BA though, and dont like to consider myself a total n00b with them.

I'm not aware of having dismissed anyone's comments. If someone has suggested something, I will explain my own reasoning behind my thinking on the matter. I think that's completely justified?

I wonder what people will think when they realize those Baals could be in the enemies deployment zone Turn 1 getting side and rear armor shots with those assault cannons...doesn't look that bad now does it.

Oh, and the Short range of Vindicators, unless I'm blind deaf and dumb aren't Meltaguns only effective up to like 12" against armor 14 Targets? Whereas the Vindicator has an effective range of 36" (Seeing as Blood Angel Vindicators are Fast) against armor 14? I mean, seems like kind of a raw deal to be standing next to that Land Raider while you can loom almost on the other side of the board popping off demolisher rounds...

I played against this type of list before, RB spam. The only problem is when your razorback are destory there not much left in your army. It a semi-solid list against most armies but armies like SW, IG and not sure about the DE yet, are going give you hard time. Plus BA that all DS are going to give you a problem as well.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:I wonder what people will think when they realize those Baals could be in the enemies deployment zone Turn 1 getting side and rear armor shots with those assault cannons...doesn't look that bad now does it.

Oh, and the Short range of Vindicators, unless I'm blind deaf and dumb aren't Meltaguns only effective up to like 12" against armor 14 Targets? Whereas the Vindicator has an effective range of 36" (Seeing as Blood Angel Vindicators are Fast) against armor 14? I mean, seems like kind of a raw deal to be standing next to that Land Raider while you can loom almost on the other side of the board popping off demolisher rounds...

+1 to unholy. Vindicators are really good in this edition, it's just that you really need multiples to migitate their weaknesses.


I would personally try and squeeze some double melta into those RAS squads. Looking at that list from an opponents perspective, I would push within melta range and wreck your tanks, meanwhile my own transports would be relatively safe from the RAS pouring out. Mephiston does help, discouraging people from coming close, but he can be overcome.