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@ the Callidus

Grey Knight Brother Captain kiting with Psycannon & Scourging 111 pts

(scourging is just in case she gets close)

Mistress of minis wrote:People are getting so repetitive! I had ot check the date/post time to make sure I wasnt lookin at yesterdays posts :p

Vs the Broadside- Calidus Assassin 120 pts

And she beat me to it

I can't think of anything against that, I tend to focus more on assulting and well at this point range the assassin wins most fights, and in a real game I wouldn't send my lord against her its to big a risk.

I can't think of a shooty unit to take her

DEATH89 wrote:@ the Callidus

Grey Knight Brother Captain kiting with Psycannon & Scourging 111 pts

(scourging is just in case she gets close)

You cant kite when a unit deploys by popping up right next to you- and can assault the same turn


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Toeko wrote:
I can't think of a shooty unit to take her

Its actually pretty easy

(I'll beat my own unit)

Dreadnaught- extra armor 120 pts. :p

Mistress of minis wrote:

DEATH89 wrote:

Dreadnaught- extra armor 120 pts. :p

Exorcist - 135

Shrike325 wrote:Exorcist - 135

Leman Russ 150

Predator-twin linked lascannon-105 points

Leman Russ Vanquisher w/Lascannon, 170 pts.

Just so I don't say broadsides again, and drop the points

squad of 3 Piranhas, Fusion blasters

195 pts

Battle Cannon vs AV13 > TL las vs AV 14. If you had the las sponsons it would edge to the predator- but as is

The pred has roughly a 13% chance at a glance, and a 13% chance to pen. Adding the sponson Lascannon adds 21%

For the battle cannon- counting ONLY direct hits on the scatter dice 10% glance, 11% penetrate- add in more hits for scatter rolls of 6 or less(the -3" for BS 3 keeps the template center hole on the hull- those percentages would go up).

So- without the sponsons its basically a tie- add in the sponsons and you're winning 3-1. So add the dang sponsons for 165 pts :p


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Shas'O Dorian wrote:Just so I don't say broadsides again, and drop the points

squad of 3 Piranhas, Fusion blasters

195 pts

Two Landspeeder Typhoons- 1 with a Multimelta- 195

Mistress of minis wrote:
Two Landspeeder Typhoons- 1 with a Multimelta- 195

2 squads of 2 hive guard = 200 points

incarna wrote:

Mistress of minis wrote:
Two Landspeeder Typhoons- 1 with a Multimelta- 195

2 squads of 2 hive guard = 200 points

Other than the whole range problem(HG's are only 24", Vs thTyphoon launchers 48) they could do it-if the Typhoons dont kite( they can move 12 and fire the missles- and get a 4+ save). If they somehow get within 24", its a maybe- otherwise any half competent player is gonna win with the typhoons.

Addendum- Hive Guard arent synapse critters- so theyre making Ld 7 rolls to avoid having to lurk- Which means half the time you cant move them- makes it alot easier to kite them

Mistress of minis wrote:
Other than the whole range problem(HG's are only 24", Vs thTyphoon launchers 48) they could do it-if the Typhoons dont kite( they can move 12 and fire the missles- and get a 4+ save). If they somehow get within 24", its a maybe- otherwise any half competent player is gonna win with the typhoons.

Addendum- Hive Guard arent synapse critters- so theyre making Ld 7 rolls to avoid having to lurk- Which means half the time you cant move them- makes it alot easier to kite them

Ah, forgot about the synapse. In that case, I’ll take 3 Eldar War Walkers + w/ 2 scatter lasers each. 180 points. Vehicles can only take a 4+ cover save if they move over 12” which means they can’t shoot.

Damn, as i was getting my codex you posted and becasuei didnt refresh the pagei didnt see it. Mine was against the exorsist.

Damn ninjas...

incarna wrote:
Ah, forgot about the synapse. In that case, I’ll take 3 Eldar War Walkers + w/ 2 scatter lasers each. 180 points. Vehicles can only take a 4+ cover save if they move over 12” which means they can’t shoot.

Thats correct- but the typhoons can move flat out to get out of range(or jsut deep strike out of range in the first place)- then move up to 12" to keep the warwalkers (with their 36" range) between the 37-48" sweet spot.

Let's keep things moving, 3 broadsides, 210 points.

I'm slightly confused, what unit is up to be toasted

Mistress of minis wrote:

incarna wrote:
Ah, forgot about the synapse. In that case, I’ll take 3 Eldar War Walkers + w/ 2 scatter lasers each. 180 points. Vehicles can only take a 4+ cover save if they move over 12” which means they can’t shoot.

Thats correct- but the typhoons can move flat out to get out of range(or jsut deep strike out of range in the first place)- then move up to 12" to keep the warwalkers (with their 36" range) between the 37-48" sweet spot.

There is no realistic 37"-48" sweet spot on a standard 4' by 6' table and you'd be lucky to get one round of protection before being pinned against a table edge. As for deepstriking - given the attached illustration that depicts a war walker squad movement and weapon range, I think risking a deepstrike in the safe white areas would be more benificial to the war walker player than i would be to the landspeeder player - not to mension the war walker will just move into range next round and finish the landspeeders.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Let's keep things moving, 3 broadsides, 210 points.

Lord of Change - 250pts

@ lord of change

Leman Russ Punisher
H. Bolter sponsons
Storm Bolter
H.K. Missile
220 points.

Enough shots & you'll fail the saves

Shas'O Dorian wrote:@ lord of change

Leman Russ Punisher
H. Bolter sponsons
Storm Bolter
H.K. Missile
220 points.

Enough shots & you'll fail the saves

10 Fire Dragons w/Exarch, Crack Shot, Tank Hunters

192pts

10 melta shots = dead tank

Dork Eldar wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:@ lord of change

Leman Russ Punisher
H. Bolter sponsons
Storm Bolter
H.K. Missile
220 points.

Enough shots & you'll fail the saves

10 Fire Dragons w/Exarch, Crack Shot, Tank Hunters

192pts

10 melta shots = dead tank

...ok, 12" glance range, 6" penetration range...

He is a tank. With a cannon. You are foot dragons...

/fail.

Why does everyone assume that theyre going to get to go first, have cover, get the charge, be in melta range etc etc???

I try to assume worst case scenario with a bit of logic based on the basic scenario rules like deployment zones and such.

Vs the Punisher

Ironclad- Heavy flamer, meltagun, 2 HK missiles, drop pod with Death wind missles 220 pts.

Mistress of minis wrote:Why does everyone assume that theyre going to get to go first, have cover, get the charge, be in melta range etc etc???

I try to assume worst case scenario with a bit of logic based on the basic scenario rules like deployment zones and such.

Vs the Punisher

Ironclad- Heavy flamer, meltagun, 2 HK missiles, drop pod with Death wind missles 220 pts.

Probably what with all the terminators/obliterators that have been suggested. They deepstrike in, therefor get the first shot.

Hehe- we're jsut now getting up to Terminator points values

Looks like you copy and pasted the dread I used before.

Someone didn't even put up a good response to it...

They said a ravager, just because it has 3 dark lances I s'pose...

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Looks like you copy and pasted the dread I used before.

Someone didn't even put up a good response to it...

They said a ravager, just because it has 3 dark lances I s'pose...

Yup that was me!!!!

sorry I only read your statement half assedly. I saw Dreadnought and thought Armour so I apologize for that.

Meh, in the original "Beat this unit" thread, someone always posted a crappy counter to my unit, so I dropped out of it, it was always the same person though. >.<

Back on topic. Please try to avoid debating on units. Even if the counter unit cannot beat yours in-game, don't point it out.
I'm resetting the unit to: 20x 'Ard boyz, Nob W/ Pk, Bosspole - 240

Ummmm....
I'd beat all of your units. Trusty hammer, and if that failed, a tiger torch.

In all reality I have no idea what unit I'd use. This is my only counter to all of your fury combined.

Dedrith wrote:Back on topic. Please try to avoid debating on units. Even if the counter unit cannot beat yours in-game, don't point it out.
I'm resetting the unit to: 20x 'Ard boyz, Nob W/ Pk, Bosspole - 240

So... now we are playing post-units-you-like-that-are-nearish-in-points-costs-to-the-above-poster, and if you don't like it tough?