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Nvs wrote:I think it was said they were Chaos Legions and an Inquisitor book.

Per Ghost 21 lastest postings on Warseer:

Ghost 21 wrote:

wyvirn wrote:
Uhhh, we don't need need more codexes that are mostly copy pasted units so that they can have one or two unique units.

i can asure you the legion dex will have alot of varation

really its not marines of any type

and why would umbra suck? really they wouldn't

Ghost 21 wrote:sigh.....
i meant the new army is not marines of any type spikey or non
im not talking about legions

ghost21 wrote:{They allign themselves with} order (but marines thought they killed em)

ghost21;5598633 wrote:i only mean order as in they want to blat chaos

ps one person got right

edit it not squats

Ghost 21 struck down Zoats and Interex. Someone suggested Laer, Megarachnid, and Umbra.

Ghost 21 wrote:

MrSatan wrote:
I'm sure the hrud were meant to have been wiped out during the crusade?
Right Ghost?

thats correct

Sounds like a complete load of crap.

Che-Vito wrote:Sounds like a complete load of crap.

Warseer posters making up rumours? Unprecedented!

Theduke07 wrote:That would be great if the book was full color.

I was talking about the new one, which will probably be full color.



Nevertheless, $60 is *still* cheap for a hardcover tome.

Che-Vito wrote:Sounds like a complete load of crap.

So did the GK rumors but by and large they turned out to be true *shruggs shoulders*

wyomingfox wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:Sounds like a complete load of crap.

So did the GK rumors but by and large they turned out to be true *shruggs shoulders*

Yes, and no.

Did the ones near the end come close to the mark? (when there were leaked pre-release versions out in PDF format anyways...)
Yes.

Were the originally rumors close?
Not by any means.

After double checking warseer, it seems that there will in fact be three new books:

1. Chaos Legions (I assume this is Chaos Space Marine Legions, with the current book becoming a Renegades/Lost and the Damned type deal).

2. Hrud/Umbra (Ghost said subterranean dwellers who worship dark orbs and were thought to be wiped out by Space Marines).

3. Unknown, but is apparently not a Marine book or warp based...

Remember, Hrud were recently alluded to in Age of Darkness, with their background surprisingly expanded. Their weapons were described as causing 'extreme aging' - turning even Marines to old men and making tanks rust apart. - Could be an introduced hint or two.

On the other hand, I still think there's a case for one of the chaos books having a greater presence of heretics and cultists. - Maybe some 'Dark Mechanicus' too.

Stupid question, but what exactly is the difference between Chaos Legions and CSM? Would it be more like the 3.5 CSM dex with the different Legions actually represented or am I mistaking something for something else?

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:Stupid question, but what exactly is the difference between Chaos Legions and CSM? Would it be more like the 3.5 CSM dex with the different Legions actually represented or am I mistaking something for something else?

That's pretty much what they're getting at. Chaos Legions had stuff like Death Guard Terminators as opposed to Terminators who just carry around a smelly stick with a Nurgle icon on it. They had unique rules and army compositions for each of the Legions, like Iron Warriors getting 4 heavy support slots and access to Basilisks.

I'll almost buy splitting Chaos Marines and Legion Marines up, but I really don't think GW would introduce a new army to the game. They have a hard enough time keeping the current range updated so I don't think they would bring in something fully new.

Plus I just don't think the risk is worth the reward in making a new army. Well that is unless they let Matt Ward make it the most powerful army in the history of 40k. Then newbies and powergamers would buy the beejezus out of it.

Legion Marines wouldn't be a new army, they'd be a rebranding of Chaos Space Marines. It's about as dramatic as releasing a new Astartes Codex, honestly. What confounds me is why they would bother supporting Legion Marines AND Chaos Space Marines as separate books. If you take the Legion elements away from the Chaos Space Marines...what's left? Codex: Red Corsairs? As much as I like Huron and his boys, that seems rather unnecessary.

Ouroborus wrote:

Theduke07 wrote:That would be great if the book was full color.

I was talking about the new one, which will probably be full color.

Nevertheless, $60 is *still* cheap for a hardcover tome.

I feel bad getting the Warhammer rulebook cheap, since I ordered it from the UK. Nearly 500 pages, high quality full colour hardback. That sort of book would actually run the price they're asking in Australia from a normal book store.

That said, I can't read it for very long unless I'm at a table, because the thing weighs a fething ton.


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SkaerKrow wrote:Legion Marines wouldn't be a new army, they'd be a rebranding of Chaos Space Marines. It's about as dramatic as releasing a new Astartes Codex, honestly. What confounds me is why they would bother supporting Legion Marines AND Chaos Space Marines as separate books. If you take the Legion elements away from the Chaos Space Marines...what's left? Codex: Red Corsairs? As much as I like Huron and his boys, that seems rather unnecessary.

The current Chaos Codex basically is already Codex Red Corsairs, or rather, Codex Chaos Renegades. There's nothing of the old Legions in it aside from a couple of specialized squads. Codex Chaos Legions would be far more different to the Chaos Codex than the variant Space Marine codices are from Codex Space Marines.

And the great thing is they're rolled into a single book. Just like the variant Space Marine chapters should be.

SkaerKrow wrote:Legion Marines wouldn't be a new army, they'd be a rebranding of Chaos Space Marines. It's about as dramatic as releasing a new Astartes Codex, honestly. What confounds me is why they would bother supporting Legion Marines AND Chaos Space Marines as separate books. If you take the Legion elements away from the Chaos Space Marines...what's left? Codex: Red Corsairs? As much as I like Huron and his boys, that seems rather unnecessary.

There's a rather profound difference that the current codex doesn't really capture. The Legions have dedicated cult units outside of just troops, and pre-heresy wargear and organizations. Huron's forces and other renegade Space Marines (the 50+ confirmed renegade chapters plus all the uncounted companies, squads, and individuals) would really still have wargear, weapons, equipment and organization closer to that of Codex: Space Marines. Really they should be done as an addendum to that book rather than the Chaos Legions book. However, it's rather silly to see Hurons troops running around with Reaper Autocannons and TL Bolters instead of Assault Cannons and Storm Bolters and no Razorbacks, Land Speeders, newer pattern LR's, etc. I don't think they necessarily need their own book really, but a half dozen page WD article would do nicely.

I imagine Chaos Legions is the current CSM book but more fleshed out to represent the legions.

The new book would be Chaos Renegades then which will likely turn out like evil imperial guard with a small smattering of chaos marine elemtns and demons thrown in.

Ooooooh Chaos Guard. Theres something I can get behind. Maybe a 5th army behind? (No, no, I need some self control.)

Vaktathi wrote:

SkaerKrow wrote:Legion Marines wouldn't be a new army, they'd be a rebranding of Chaos Space Marines. It's about as dramatic as releasing a new Astartes Codex, honestly. What confounds me is why they would bother supporting Legion Marines AND Chaos Space Marines as separate books. If you take the Legion elements away from the Chaos Space Marines...what's left? Codex: Red Corsairs? As much as I like Huron and his boys, that seems rather unnecessary.

There's a rather profound difference that the current codex doesn't really capture. The Legions have dedicated cult units outside of just troops, and pre-heresy wargear and organizations. Huron's forces and other renegade Space Marines (the 50+ confirmed renegade chapters plus all the uncounted companies, squads, and individuals) would really still have wargear, weapons, equipment and organization closer to that of Codex: Space Marines. Really they should be done as an addendum to that book rather than the Chaos Legions book. However, it's rather silly to see Hurons troops running around with Reaper Autocannons and TL Bolters instead of Assault Cannons and Storm Bolters and no Razorbacks, Land Speeders, newer pattern LR's, etc. I don't think they necessarily need their own book really, but a half dozen page WD article would do nicely.

Yes, that pretty much sums it up!

I'd imagine that the CSM Legions book would be just that, and the Renegades Codex would be more Huron and Traitor Guard... I hope!

Basically what nobody is willing to say is that Chaos Renegades = Lost and the Damned.

chaos0xomega wrote:Basically what nobody is willing to say is that Chaos Renegades = Lost and the Damned.

Let's be honest; no one is saying it because it probably isn't the case. I would absolutely love to be wrong on that, though.

Bringing back Chaos Legions and Lost and the Damned would make a lot of fans happy.

That seems to go counter to GW corporate's apparent agenda.

Vaktathi Wrote:

There's a rather profound difference that the current codex doesn't really capture. The Legions have dedicated cult units outside of just troops, and pre-heresy wargear and organizations. Huron's forces and other renegade Space Marines (the 50+ confirmed renegade chapters plus all the uncounted companies, squads, and individuals) would really still have wargear, weapons, equipment and organization closer to that of Codex: Space Marines. Really they should be done as an addendum to that book rather than the Chaos Legions book. However, it's rather silly to see Hurons troops running around with Reaper Autocannons and TL Bolters instead of Assault Cannons and Storm Bolters and no Razorbacks, Land Speeders, newer pattern LR's, etc. I don't think they necessarily need their own book really, but a half dozen page WD article would do nicely.

As a fluff junkie that fact has always bugged me.

Personally, I'd be really surprised if GW did release more armies; they struggle to keep up as it is.

If there was a Thousand Sons dex released...I would be SO ON IT! i'd have a 2000 pt army after about a week, dont play chaos now because dont like other chaos legions, but thousand sons are legit!

Questions, if Chaos Legions does come out. Who would still play the current CSM codex?

Answer, ............not a single informed individual.

Vaktathi wrote:

SkaerKrow wrote:Legion Marines wouldn't be a new army, they'd be a rebranding of Chaos Space Marines. It's about as dramatic as releasing a new Astartes Codex, honestly. What confounds me is why they would bother supporting Legion Marines AND Chaos Space Marines as separate books. If you take the Legion elements away from the Chaos Space Marines...what's left? Codex: Red Corsairs? As much as I like Huron and his boys, that seems rather unnecessary.

There's a rather profound difference that the current codex doesn't really capture. The Legions have dedicated cult units outside of just troops, and pre-heresy wargear and organizations. Huron's forces and other renegade Space Marines (the 50+ confirmed renegade chapters plus all the uncounted companies, squads, and individuals) would really still have wargear, weapons, equipment and organization closer to that of Codex: Space Marines. Really they should be done as an addendum to that book rather than the Chaos Legions book. However, it's rather silly to see Hurons troops running around with Reaper Autocannons and TL Bolters instead of Assault Cannons and Storm Bolters and no Razorbacks, Land Speeders, newer pattern LR's, etc. I don't think they necessarily need their own book really, but a half dozen page WD article would do nicely.

We agree that there isn't two FULL books of content to be spread between the Traitor Legions and the Renegade Chapters. I'm all for them rebranding/repackaging Chaos Space Marines in a Traitor Legions book, but trying to support a current form Chaos Space Marine codex on top of that seems redundant.

Pael wrote:Questions, if Chaos Legions does come out. Who would still play the current CSM codex?

Answer, ............not a single informed individual.

doesn’t invalidate Codex Chaos Space Marines which gets extensive White Dwarf update as Codex Renegade Space Marines

Not everyone plays a Legion-based force

Baragash wrote:

Pael wrote:Questions, if Chaos Legions does come out. Who would still play the current CSM codex?

Answer, ............not a single informed individual.

doesn’t invalidate Codex Chaos Space Marines which gets extensive White Dwarf update as Codex Renegade Space Marines

Not everyone plays a Legion-based force

True but with how the renegade rules are it would be too much to resist a counts as army.

THOUSAND SONS!!!

chaos0xomega wrote:there will in fact be. . .

Really? I also heard that 6th Edition will take care of your kids, walk your dog and is good at playing the stock market.

In regards to possible new races:

ghost21 wrote:to clarify there is a traitor legion dex

there are also 2 other dexes one of chaos hateing dark orb worshiping subterainans

BrazenRogue;5598829 wrote:Given that Ghost has already pointed out that someone previously guessed correctly... yes, I'd say chaos-hating dark orb-worshiping subterraneans pretty much has to be hrud.

Certainly in keeping with the current trend of fleshing out previously-mentioned-but-scarcely-touched-upon aspects of the background. I'm really quite intrigued by what they'll do with them! Hrud have been played about with quite a bit over the years, insofar as they've been mentioned at all. They pretty much seemed to be space-skaven at first, but Xenology turned them into... well, something odd. Should be interesting to see what happens here.

And good lord are they going to hate the Plasma Siphon...

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hrud

And the second race:

Ghost 21 wrote:

Glyn wrote:
You know what everyone has missed the obvious one here that could be the other Non-marine list that is a viable option....the Adeptus Mechanicus, there's been a lot of stuff about them in recent years popping up, including descriptions of their fighting forces the Skitarii...their not strictly speaking Imperial forces their Imperial Allies, there is the schism element to their armies as well and with the rumour that super heavies are going to come more into the main lists it would make sense for them to be there.

did people like codex imperialis? if so theres your answer

In regards to 6th edition:

ghost21 wrote:there is a optional rule to restore movement values

taht rule discussion enough for ye?