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No Roll for first and no Random Game length would be too funny. The game would have to change completely because that simply doesn't work.

Whatever happens, I like what these rumors are saying and to be honest, I can see them being reasonably true. It also combines a few other rumors, most notably that of the 6th ed starter set.

I call bull gak. All of that is so far fetched... That post and this thread need aborted immediately.

It all seems too complicated, it makes one wonder how long such a game would last...

6th edition 40k rumors from blood of kittens.

What!? Is some sort of divination being used ?

I seriously don't like this direction GW are taking.
For crying out loud the week before rule + the WD announcements are bad enough imho.
But this as a result? It is an abomination!
Just make a statement on the internet and spare the little cats' lives!

Don't care if they drastically reduce prices, it will not sit easy with my conscience!
Iwon't have anything to do with 40K.

I like some (like cover save down to a +5 ya!!)and the others sound odd to me, but its a rumor so I wait and see what will happen.

If these changes were true i'd likely lose interest in the game.

Ascalam wrote:If these changes were true i'd likely lose interest in the game.

Same. I want GW to write better/more clear rules, not more complicated rules. I have other game systems for that.

If these rumours are even half true I think this would be the first time since 2nd ed i was excited about buying a 40k rule set

The only really important thing convincing me is the ballistic skill change, I guess....

Yeah, some of the rule-mechanics described in that rumor seem to harken back to 2nd edition rules.

Such as assaults before shooting which was a 2nd edition rule.

But yeah, it seems there are some unneccessary rules thrown in that would complicate the system much more than usual and slow the game down, which I thought was soemthing that GW tried to avoid.

However, as someone has already mentioned, we will wait and see if any or all of these rumors come to light in 2012.

Yay, let's start the threats to quit now. It's never too early for threatening to quit.

I don't know how accurate the rumors are, but think about how drastic the changes in the new fantasy edition were. GW has proven they are not afraid to make drastic changes to the game systems. I, for one, welcome it.

Aye, plenty of folks where adamant the random charge thing wouldn't be in Fantasy when the rumour first came out.

Not suggesting this should add anything to these rumours, but Fantasy certainly just proved GW is still happy to make major changes to their systems.

I think the...nah it all BS

These all sound like good ideas.
So GW obviously won't do it.


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odmiller wrote:Yay, let's start the threats to quit now. It's never too early for threatening to quit.

k... I'll quit if these rumours aren't true!

Why are all these band-aid patches called rules reminding me of this?


These rumors look like the attempt to hammer as much from other systems (currently I'm counting 4) into the new edition as possible, which makes the horrible rules even more bloated. Will be interesting to watch how it turns out in reality.

Certainly GW are not afraid to make drastic changes. What they have consistently done, however, is moved away from adding complications to the basic play (they save the adding of complications for codices). Some of these alleged rules would require simple book-keeping or slow the pace of the game. That’s not hitherto been GW’s plan and would, for them, represent a retrograde step.

The best change (as someone said above) would indeed be to have the turn sequence be:

player 1 move, player 2 shoot, player 1 assault, player 2 move , player 1 shoot, player 2 assault.

What is allegedly proposed wouldn’t be as good as that whether the idea is greater involvement from both players (or rather less time spent before a player has to do something) or increased ‘strategy’.

The idea of bidding for first turn is excellent, as are some of the strategy options.

But the whole is somewhat unconvincing.

Eg - Why make shooting more complicated? Having variable to hit isn’t actually as simple as just giving faster movers a bonus to save.

Korraz wrote:

These rumors look like the attempt to hammer as much from other systems (currently I'm counting 4) into the new edition as possible, which makes the horrible rules even more bloated. Will be interesting to watch how it turns out in reality.

Which systems and what exactly,for my curiosity.....

ThirdUltra wrote:Such as assaults before shooting which was a 2nd edition rule

That wasn't 2nd ed, psyhic phase was before shooting and then close combat, I imagine the idea of combat before shooting is so you can't shoot and assault a unit which would explain why grey knights have strength 5 stormbolters (may as well be standard ), proper flying rules would certainly be interesting and I think would be followed by a new marine codex including storm ravens.

carmachu wrote:

Korraz wrote:

These rumors look like the attempt to hammer as much from other systems (currently I'm counting 4) into the new edition as possible, which makes the horrible rules even more bloated. Will be interesting to watch how it turns out in reality.

Which systems and what exactly,for my curiosity.....

Bidding for turns: AT-43

Differing starter sets: Privateer Press

One book for everything: Lord of the Rings

That's just without trying.

Assault before you shoot and you need 6's to hit anything fast?

If that's true (which I doubt)---guess it's going to be a good edition for DE.



I do hope they made vehicle destruction more interesting---with more degrees of affect---rather than the all/nothing it seems now.

itsonlyme wrote:

ThirdUltra wrote:Such as assaults before shooting which was a 2nd edition rule

That wasn't 2nd ed, psyhic phase was before shooting and then close combat, I imagine the idea of combat before shooting is so you can't shoot and assault a unit which would explain why grey knights have strength 5 stormbolters (may as well be standard ), proper flying rules would certainly be interesting and I think would be followed by a new marine codex including storm ravens.

Nope, Psychic Phase was last up, after all others. I remember because one knob I used to play with in Multiplayer games would always rush to 'PSYCHIC PHASE!', meaning his teammates often missed out on shooting.

Platuan4th wrote:

carmachu wrote:

Korraz wrote:

These rumors look like the attempt to hammer as much from other systems (currently I'm counting 4) into the new edition as possible, which makes the horrible rules even more bloated. Will be interesting to watch how it turns out in reality.

Which systems and what exactly,for my curiosity.....

Bidding for turns: AT-43

Differing starter sets: Privateer Press

One book for everything: Lord of the Rings

That's just without trying.

And that's a problem? Good ideas should be adopted, not discarded because someone else used them before.

I personally wouldn't mind most of the changes, especially the BS rules.

All sounds fairly interesting. If the clean-up of the rules is comprehensive enough I might actually start using my 40k minis to play 40k.

However, since the majority of GWs latest moves have been the distinct opposite of good, Ill call this a wait and see kinda deal.

His Master's Voice wrote:

And that's a problem? Good ideas should be adopted, not discarded because someone else used them before.

If the bidding is anything like AT-43, yes, it's a problem. Some armies(I'm looking at you, Karmans) simply couldn't compete in the turn bid because they just didn't have the LP or stats to match other armies(like Red Blok and their horde army with relatively inexpensive Rank 5 Officers that gave 9 LP and could bid 7 of that). Karmans were lucky if they HAD 10 LPs(and could max bid 6 with the highest rank they could bring) a turn where as Red Blok tended to have 17+ standard(which meant they could bid max every turn and never be hurting for LP for orders).

Mr Mystery wrote:Nope, Psychic Phase was last up, after all others. I remember because one knob I used to play with in Multiplayer games would always rush to 'PSYCHIC PHASE!', meaning his teammates often missed out on shooting.

Actually rally was last up *pulls out his 2nd ed rule book* as I said shooting was before hand-to-hand combat, but you are correct it was after that

AgeOfEgos wrote:Assault before you shoot and you need 6's to hit anything fast?

If that's true (which I doubt)---guess it's going to be a good edition for DE.



I do hope they made vehicle destruction more interesting---with more degrees of affect---rather than the all/nothing it seems now.

well that was only BS3 so I assume BS 4 will be hitting on 5's and BS 5 will be hitting on 4's, will make twin-linked weapons a god send, it does however make sense, what will be interesting is if being a faster vehicle makes it harder for you to hit, one of the strange ones is jump pack troops flying high, that seems very fishy, would also be very strange with interceptors , I certainly think their is a element of true to the rumours (based on a comment on warseer) so its really just a case of trying to figure out how exaggerated it is.

Platuan4th wrote:If the bidding is anything like AT-43

Have you read the rumours?

* the biggest rule changes:
- similar ballistic to hit chart as wound chart: compare BS to target’s speed and unit type. BS 3 hits moving infantry on 4+, but lightning fast jetbikes on 6+ and stationary tank on 2+… HUGE

Unbeatable Dark eldar anyone?

And those GK paladin apotecharies for 75 freaking points will become even more extinct then the falchions.

What a load of dung.

I could see GW throwing in a rule to make vehicles that didnt move get hit on a 2+ or some such. Swing the game away from vehicles (where they have been maxing sales for a while now) toward infantry, just to boost sales.