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Im trying to sneak a peak at the now winds of undeath vortex. Anyone able to read it or know the new rules for it? Im curious.

looks like d6 S3 hits per rank with no armor saves allowed but my resolution could be better. Boosted makes it big blast and S4 as well. That sounds nasty for horde. Also the lore attribute gives +1 wound healed to a model within 12" or to the wizard himself.

Might add this to the OP.

That could be a good deterent to people running school buses against VC. Run 5 wide 10 deep and risk 10 d6 hits, or fewer wider ranks to reduce that but not get steadfast against larger undead units.

silent25 wrote:

ph34r wrote:Mmmm I'm not so sure about that, they seem pretty solid. Besides, what are you going to do? Turn a $60 mortis engine into a spirit host?

Of course, because you sold the female vampire figs in the kits for $20 a pop on ebay

So then just sell the coven and get a mortis engine? Either way you are sacrificing a mortis engine for a spirit host.

I like the new Black Knights, Krell and the Wight Lord miniature, but everything else is a bit 'meh' for me.

The Coven and Mortis engine just have too much going on, they look too busy and not well enough integrated imho. Plus, the GW proportions on the riders looks off, yet again.

Can't wait for the book though.

Yeah, I'm not really feeling the love for any of these. The compulsory giant 2-in-1 kit looks so over the top it waltzes past "awesome" and ends up in "ridiculous".

Agamemnon2 wrote:Yeah, I'm not really feeling the love for any of these. The compulsory giant 2-in-1 kit looks so over the top it waltzes past "awesome" and ends up in "ridiculous".

You're playing a Games Workshop game.

Over the top is what they do.

And seriously - no love for the plastic Black Knights? I thought they stole the show. There's blood knight levels of detail going on in those plastics.

I just now found my jaw as these look awesome. I was kinda halfway into fantasy with Mantic to play an undead army but seeing this pulled me right into GW fantasy territory. I will have to pick up the army book and Mortis Engine if only because they look wonderful.

I like the Wight King, and the Knights are nice too (not so much the other build that kit makes though).

The Mortis Engine would be something that I'd potentially buy only to paint and display.

Any word on their magic?
Will it be as cheap and spammable in the last edition? God VC armies pisses me off when they do that!

My eyes just popped out of my rotted skull these models are flippin' great. The coven throne and vargeists in particular. Clearly GW has the Vampire Counts range on the correct heading.

Wow. I'm really surprised that they haven't updated the zombies or ghouls. I think GW keeping their ghouls to their own design and having monstrous ghouls is really interesting and brave. This is the first of the new books that I have really wanted to play before seeing the rules. I want to see if there is a skeletal themed option but if not I'm going ghouls. I really like the monstrous versions.

Holy ! Those models a fething beautiful! I hate the army book cover but damn... Nice thing that GW decided to bring Krell back and Isabella a new sculpt

kenshin620 wrote:
Speaking of which, I wonder if Nagash would come back



It would also be interesting to see what other SC get in

Second that I would like Nagash back, if only to see what the modern interpretation of this model would look like. As it is I don't think anyone wants to field this old model.

Thanks for the images:

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Urghhh that cover is horrible - do not like at all - its bad enough its still the same ol Carstein - yawn - cover but compared to previous incarnations it is awful :(

Good to see Krell - he looks good
Isabella - not at all how I imagined her - but its a great model
The Coven Throne - oh that is just gorgeous - got to get one NOW! Finally some Lahimarian love (so to speak)
Mortis Throne is alos very nice
Vargheists - pretty good - not much use to me but nicely done - same with Crypt Horrors and Wight King
Black Knights look good but not keen on the Hexwraiths

but that cover - just why :( All the great art they have access to and thats it :(

Are there going to be a cheaper Blood Knight kit? I'm disappointed at the lack of Brett or Wood Elf update.

Honestly, I like the cover...and I'm a very vocal "hater" of Blanche's work usually.

rockerbikie wrote:Are there going to be a cheaper Blood Knight kit?

Nothing from the last update is going to get updated it seems.

And the zombies are still left behind. Oh well theres always mantic

I will probably get the wight king, but I'm not too interested in any of the other releases shown so far. I was hoping for another Vampire or two. Don't like either of the Monstrous Infantry, and the big kits while technically pretty damn impressive are not to my taste.

I highly doubt that this is the entirety of it. I'm kinda hoping that, despite being so "new", Vlad and Konrad get redone. They look tiny compared to the Ghoul King from the Terrorgheist kit.

Seeing these new models only makes me even more glad I gave up on GW. What a bloated, overpriced mess. The mortis engine is a shambles, and has accident written all over it - good luck carrying that to a tournament.
The Vargeists look like a British heavy metal band from the early 1980s, and as for Isabella...reminds me of the type of women you'd see on a saturday night in any British city!
The wight king is good, but those giant ghouls are just...giant ghouls! I expect the new spells to be your typical wipe out half a regiment variety. Two 6s seems to trump skill in Warhammer fantasy.
If I were a Bretonnian player, I'd just give up hoping for a new book.

Kanluwen wrote:Honestly, I like the cover...and I'm a very vocal "hater" of Blanche's work usually.

That's not John Blanche's work it's Dave Gallagher's. I think it's ok, it needs to be fairly 'middle of the road' because of the wide variety of themes for the vampire counts. I'm more interested in how they have presented the ghouls, skeletons, zombies and Grave Guard.

Coven Throne / Mortis Engine:

- Very busy looking, lots of bits though.
- Three female vampires and a necromancer.
- You might be able to mout the Vampiresses side saddle on a nightmare.
- The Spirit bits could be used as fodder for several spirit host.
- The only thing negative I have to say is that there is so much model re-use! I see skeletons, grave guard, re-posed variants of the new plastic Banshees, the new plastic wraith, and I think I see the corpse cart driver stuck on there as well.

Vargheist:

- The poses are kind of static, but being plastic they'll just need a little reposing.
- At least I have a unit to sub my Rackham Wampyrs as, the Vargheists can stand in for my Varghulfs so that they don't all look the same.

Crypt Horrors:

- I really like these, glad that they didn't end up as patchwork horrors.


Wight King:

- Perfect.
- Slight conversion to make a banner bearer.
- Combine it with bits from the Black Knight box for a mounted Wight King.

Krell:

- I just don't like the model.
- If he has good rules I'll sub in Enigma's Primus Death
.
Isabella Von Carstein:

- Alright I guess, but who uses her anyway?
- Looks like she could readily stand in for a Lahmian Vamp though.
- I already have a far superior Mad Puppet Minitures - Vampiress and a AOW - Vampiress


Von Carstein upgrade pack:

- I like these but being fine cast they'll be over priced.


Black Knights:

- Love the Black Knight Riders and the skeletal horses especially the barding and armor.

Hexwraiths:


- The Hexwraiths are terrible as is.
- How is it that the Ghostly riders on the Mortis Thones base turned out so much better.
- But a bit of GS and judicious converting and you should be able to get them looking good.


Armybook Cover:

- Terrible. How do they choose this cover, it fails compared to the last edition.

Author:

- Phil Kelly, well that's a relief!

Sersi wrote:

Hexwraiths:


- The Hexwraiths are terrible as is.
- How is it that the Ghostly riders on the Mortis Thones base turned out so much better.
- But a bit of GS and judicious converting and you should be able to get them looking good.

I think it's the paint job. If you were to paint the horse/rider like the Army of the dead it would look alot cooler me thinks.
like this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1880009

Or this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1070187

Might have to pick a Wight King up to paint - he looks pretty good, particularly for a plastic figure.

I'm starting to think of picking up all the plastic single characters to paint...

Kanluwen wrote:Honestly, I like the cover...and I'm a very vocal "hater" of Blanche's work usually.

Only it's not Blanche's work.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Honestly, I like the cover...and I'm a very vocal "hater" of Blanche's work usually.

Only it's not Blanche's work.

Irrelevant! It still is very Blanche-like.

I like the Black Knights and the Wight King, but what I really like is the return of Heinrich Kemmler! Finally I can go back to using a Necromancer as my general.

Krell looks bloody amazing, might have to use him as a chaos char

Lockark wrote:

Sersi wrote:

Hexwraiths:


- The Hexwraiths are terrible as is.
- How is it that the Ghostly riders on the Mortis Thones base turned out so much better.
- But a bit of GS and judicious converting and you should be able to get them looking good.

I think it's the paint job. If you were to paint the horse/rider like the Army of the dead it would look alot cooler me thinks.
like this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1880009

Or this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1070187

+1 this.

'Eavy Metal & the photography department have always managed to make even the best GW models look like some form of kitten-regurditated-crapheap of epic fail. Look at how many people bemoaned the minotaurs - yet when you give them a decent colour scheme, they look damn tasty! Same for the BA/GK 'chicken bird' that the photo just kills looks-wise.

I'm definately going to pick-up at least 5 of the hexwraiths, but I'm thinking of using a more black/grey scheme with no cartoony green'ish glow.

At least GW hasn't put out any models recently that are 'LotR wood elves' bad!

Wow, quite the new range!

I dislike the over-the-top nature of the latest GW releases, though... it's such a shame because the single plastic characters they're releasing show that they can do models well and with class still, but are choosing to go in a different design direction...

Still, pretty comprehensive and vampire players will be happy with it, I'd think.