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£25 for a 96 page army book. Go crazy GW and give us 100 pages. Another blatant rip-off. If FOW can give us a hardback rulebook for the same price, which is packed full of goodies, then there is no reason for GW not to do the same.

RiTides wrote:I dislike the over-the-top nature of the latest GW releases, though... it's such a shame because the single plastic characters they're releasing show that they can do models well and with class still, but are choosing to go in a different design direction...

I concur... Mortis Engine/Coven Throne is a bit mental and not in a good way The mini Varghulfs are ok and it's good to have new Black Knights at last. I like the characters and long may the single plastic frame models continue.

My verdict is that by and large, VC now have an excellent range, though the new large multi-option kit is the most forced introduction of a big arse monster/war machine yet and doesn't impress me in the slightest.

the only thing i dont like about this release is that its right after xmas & i have a car & a tooth to fix!

Lore Attribute seems to restore a single lost wound to the caster or another friendly character with 12". Though if that's the case I'm not sure why it's called "Curse of the Undeath"... "Boon of the Undeath" would seem more appropriate

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:£25 for a 96 page army book. Go crazy GW and give us 100 pages. Another blatant rip-off. If FOW can give us a hardback rulebook for the same price, which is packed full of goodies, then there is no reason for GW not to do the same.

There is a reason

No matter what, people will buy the books

Honestly, I hate the hardcovers. At least PP gives softcover options

Plus Laminating and Spiraling is imo the best way for these books

Experiment 626 wrote:
+1 this.

'Eavy Metal & the photography department have always managed to make even the best GW models look like some form of kitten-regurditated-crapheap of epic fail. Look at how many people bemoaned the minotaurs - yet when you give them a decent colour scheme, they look damn tasty! Same for the BA/GK 'chicken bird' that the photo just kills looks-wise.

I'm definately going to pick-up at least 5 of the hexwraiths, but I'm thinking of using a more black/grey scheme with no cartoony green'ish glow.

At least GW hasn't put out any models recently that are 'LotR wood elves' bad!

Thier not ALWAYS that bad. It just seems when they screw up, they REALY screw up.

=P

The fact they painted the fire on the hexwraiths so different a colour, it makes the fact the mounts don't have fire really apparent. If the whole model is done in the army of the dead look, it won't look like such a eye sore.

Alternatively, if you are going to paint the fire a different colour, then would be a good idea to green stuff some fire onto the mounts. That way it looks more like ethereal flames, and less like the rider is suffering spontaneous combustion...

IMHO that is the biggest problem with the models, but it doesn't help the paint job is pointing this out so painfully! XD

Ugh, now I have to buy MORE VC models... Thank you GW for trying to drive me into debt further... (no seriously thank you I love VC!)

Noc

Anyone else thinking the vampire babes would make excellent models for a dark eldar pimp raider?!

Personally I am not a fan of any of the new miniatures,but then again I am not a Vampire player.

Kroothawk wrote:Personally I am not a fan of any of the new miniatures,but then again I am not a Vampire player.

None of them at all? The Black Knights are gorgeous IMHO (not so impressed with the Hex Wraith alternative) and the Wight King is another impressive single plastic miniature. I don't actively dislike the Monstrous Infantry set, but both builds are a bit underwhelming when compared to something like the River Trolls. The big kit though is rubbish and is awarded my first of 2012.

Flashman wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Personally I am not a fan of any of the new miniatures,but then again I am not a Vampire player.

None of them at all?

Some people just dont like the certain looks and themes of an army, not all that uncommon really. Its easy not to really like or care for at least one army

kenshin620 wrote:Honestly, I hate the hardcovers. At least PP gives softcover options

I like that PP gives you the option for hard or soft cover books. The hardcover books do look cool and aren't a bad option for people who want to collect them.

That's the problem, though, GW either can't "afford" to or just doesn't feel like giving you an option. "We can charge more for hardcover books? FETH IT, you're all buying hardcover now whether you want it or not, no more 'cheap' paperbacks for you freeloaders."

I also have to admit that none of the VC models particularly make me want to start a VC army. They look alright, it just doesn't make me feel like "Holy gak I must buy ALL the things!" They do look like they had more effort put into them than the Beastmen releases, though.

InventionThirteen wrote:Anyone else thinking the vampire babes would make excellent models for a dark eldar pimp raider?!

Now that is a mighty fine idea thanks

Mr Morden wrote:

InventionThirteen wrote:Anyone else thinking the vampire babes would make excellent models for a dark eldar pimp raider?!

Now that is a mighty fine idea thanks

Yes that I will be selling each one of the three for $20 a pop to pay for my Mortis Engine

As for the models, do like most the kits. Some of the dual kits are 50/50 with one build being great, the other weak. The coven/engine is crazy and it seems either people love it or hate it. I like it in all it's craziness and is better than any of the battle engines that PP put out. The bitz options alone are going to be huge. The Stonehorn/Thundertusk set was great for kitting out my Ogre army.

Love the Black Knights, but think the Hexwraiths are the weakest models of the new range. The little flames make them look stupid. Opinion may change once I see the actual plastics.

Main models I'm iffy about are Hexwraiths and Vargheists. Others look fine to me (if not, like the Wight King, amazing).

Hexwraiths don't look like burning, vengeful spirits. They look like a halloween cackling skeleton with growths. Essentially, they're too "dynamic" when compared to the other new Undead Cavalry models.

The Vargheists... they aren't bad, but if they're a replacement to the Varghulf I'll take the old ones instead. Mind, if the Varghulf is to be to Vargheists what the Shaggoth is to Dragon Ogres, I'll probably be fine with 'em.

Very iffy on the Undead Spell Lore. The signature effect isn't bad, but leaves me wary on how the Lore'll play out. Hopefully we aren't going to be seeing "7+ When the User Casts this Spell They may raise D6 Skeletons / Zombies, or one model / wound to other units", but I wouldn't put it past GW to reduce the effectiveness of Undead-raising in turn for some other focus (like an increase in buff spells).

Not a fan of these.

I do like Krell and the plastic Lord, plus the big Ghouls. They're nice.

Those models (first page) are right cool looking.

Damn it GW! I just go and finish converting 12 black knights and you release these! Ah well, maybe I can just pick up the new steeds and stick my dudes on those...

As for everything else, looks pretty good but the cover art is just terrible...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Not a fan of these.

I do like Krell and the plastic Lord, plus the big Ghouls. They're nice.

I thought you quit the game?

army310 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Not a fan of these.

I do like Krell and the plastic Lord, plus the big Ghouls. They're nice.

I thought you quit the game?

Quit warhammer = quit living without the chance of picking it up again?

Ya how he was talking about the game in the summer. I'm just surprise that he cares about any thing GW.

army310 wrote:Ya how he was talking about the game in the summer. I'm just surprise that he cares about any thing GW.

GW is an addiction, like alcohol and smoking.

Its not a big deal to get back to it

Also, im sure HBMC likes warhammer, which does not mean he have to like GW's business strategies.

Don't mind him, he's just one of those guys that thinks you have no business playing the game if you have even one negative thing to say about the company making it. If you don't love Warhammer/GW unconditionally and you can actually pick out faults, you're not good enough to call yourself a fan. lol

Besides, I don't see anywhere in his post where he said he was getting into Warhammer, just that he wasn't a fan of the models. You guys are putting words into his mouth and making assumptions based on nothing.

Sorry :<

i was just responding hypothetically to his claim.

Why are you all answering for him and blowing this way outta proportion? Im sure hes a big boy and doesnt need people answerin for him as well.

LunaHound wrote:

army310 wrote:Ya how he was talking about the game in the summer. I'm just surprise that he cares about any thing GW.

GW is an addiction, like alcohol and smoking.

Its not a big deal to get back to it

Also, im sure HBMC likes warhammer, which does not mean he have to like GW's business strategies.

It is true, it is an adiction.

Draigo wrote:Why are you all answering for him and blowing this way outta proportion? Im sure hes a big boy and doesnt need people answerin for him as well.

the only reason my answer sounds weird is because the question is weird.

geez. and im sure HBMC is fine with me answering. so you *shoo shoo

Until I say @lunahound you can quit assuming I was directing my response to you. So shoo yourself and quit thinking every post has anything to do with you.

Draigo wrote:Until I say @lunahound you can quit assuming I was directing my response to you. So shoo yourself and quit thinking every post has anything to do with you.

To be fair, without quoting, normally a message is meant for the one above....

army310 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Not a fan of these.

I do like Krell and the plastic Lord, plus the big Ghouls. They're nice.

I thought you quit the game?

Lol, I'm going to jump in and answer for H.B.M.C. too. Not playing the games doesn't preclude him from having an opinion on the models.