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Well, when you look at what other armies are getting with 6th, we're likely to get some or all of the following - large oval base kit, flyer, plastic infantry dual kit, single frame plastic character, 2-3 finecast characters, with no existing plastic being replaced with new kits.

My guesses:
Oval base kit - new dual kit monster. What it is, I have no idea. I hope it's a Dactylis/Haruspex, which means it won't be.

Flyer - Harpy. Maybe a dual kit with a few more options.

Plastic infantry dual kit - one of the current sets of Finecast units. A Guard, Vore or Thrope box. A Thrope box would also let them wipe a special character off their list, which makes it more likely.

Single frame plastic character - If they can fit it, a Tyranid Prime or Broodlord, but I have a feeling this one will be skipped for the bugs.

Finecast characters, there's plenty of choice.

I can't see them breaking this mold for Tyranids. The only thing I wouldn't be surprised at is no new oval base monster at all, since we have 4 already (5 with the Harpy), and an extra plastic infantry dual kit to bring another set of Finecast models into plastic.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Meanwhile, I am very excited for the 'Nid Wraithknight/Riptide equivalent, which is pretty much guaranteed.

It's so guaranteed, they already have it!

Spoiler:

Tyranids started the whole knight sized arms race with the Trygon.

Ah, the Trygon. give it Toxin Sacs and watch it destroy anything of similar points cost.

 -Loki- wrote:
Flyer - Harpy. Maybe a dual kit with a few more options.

Didn't they already do this?

The new Hive Tyrant comes with legs made to look like the Harpy's scything talons...I guess it doesn't come with all the guns but that's simple enough...

 -Loki- wrote:
Well, when you look at what other armies are getting with 6th, we're likely to get some or all of the following - large oval base kit, flyer, plastic infantry dual kit, single frame plastic character, 2-3 finecast characters, with no existing plastic being replaced with new kits.

My guesses:
Oval base kit - new dual kit monster. What it is, I have no idea. I hope it's a Dactylis/Haruspex, which means it won't be.

Flyer - Harpy. Maybe a dual kit with a few more options.

Plastic infantry dual kit - one of the current sets of Finecast units. A Guard, Vore or Thrope box. A Thrope box would also let them wipe a special character off their list, which makes it more likely.

Single frame plastic character - If they can fit it, a Tyranid Prime or Broodlord, but I have a feeling this one will be skipped for the bugs.

Finecast characters, there's plenty of choice.

I can't see them breaking this mold for Tyranids. The only thing I wouldn't be surprised at is no new oval base monster at all, since we have 4 already (5 with the Harpy), and an extra plastic infantry dual kit to bring another set of Finecast models into plastic.

Well, my predictions are:

Oval Base: This will probably happen, can't say what it'd be though.

Flyer: This will happen. I reckon it will be a dual kit. One option will be the Harpy, which will act as a "bomber" and specialise in taking out ground targets with large blast templates. The other will be... something, which will be a "fighter" and be more of a general fighter thing, with ability to damage enemy aircraft and ground troops alike.

Plastic Infantry Dual Kit: Again, I think this will go ahead. My guess, however, would be a Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard dual kit. It'd be very easy for them to incorporate a new unit here though.

Plastic Character: My guess is a new character. Out of the ones that currently exist though, my guess is a Prime.

Finecast Characters: Like you say, there's plenty of choice. I think the Parasite of Mortrex would be likely.

 ductvader wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Flyer - Harpy. Maybe a dual kit with a few more options.

Didn't they already do this?

The new Hive Tyrant comes with legs made to look like the Harpy's scything talons...I guess it doesn't come with all the guns but that's simple enough...

Yes, you could build something that looks like a Harpy out of the Flyrant kit.

That's not the same thing as a Harpy kit, especially since a lot of people are basing them off of Trygons.

 The Shadow wrote:
Plastic Character: My guess is a new character. Out of the ones that currently exist though, my guess is a Prime.

Seeing as the Parasite is a Shrike class Warrior already...I don't see there being another. I think Primes will be able to get wings and Parasite will get "Alpha Leader" or whatever it is to improve shrikes.

I think Red Terror...it doesn't really exist right now...even in IA...and people want it...and they want the fluff...people just like snakes...I could see them doing the ravener character or turning the Red Terror fluff into a Mawloc...which I am cool with because he was an MC that swallowed models whole.

Just wait...it'll be a pyrovore...I shall name him "Trogdor the burninator"

 ductvader wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:
Plastic Character: My guess is a new character. Out of the ones that currently exist though, my guess is a Prime.

Seeing as the Parasite is a Shrike class Warrior already...I don't see there being another. I think Primes will be able to get wings and Parasite will get "Alpha Leader" or whatever it is to improve shrikes.

I think Red Terror...it doesn't really exist right now...even in IA...and people want it...and they want the fluff...people just like snakes...I could see them doing the ravener character or turning the Red Terror fluff into a Mawloc...which I am cool with because he was an MC that swallowed models whole.

Just wait...it'll be a pyrovore...I shall name him "Trogdor the burninator"

And he'll come with wings, and a strength 6 ap3 torrent flamer

rigeld2 wrote:
That's not the same thing as a Harpy kit, especially since a lot of people are basing them off of Trygons.

I did mine cheaper and based the off old school tyrants...ripped the legs off and replaced with warrior scytals...tilted him forward...bam...insta Harpy.


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Pyrovore with wings? I imagine he'll be as agile as a flying cow.

 -Loki- wrote:
Well, when you look at what other armies are getting with 6th, we're likely to get some or all of the following - large oval base kit, flyer, plastic infantry dual kit, single frame plastic character, 2-3 finecast characters, with no existing plastic being replaced with new kits.

My guesses:
Oval base kit - new dual kit monster. What it is, I have no idea. I hope it's a Dactylis/Haruspex, which means it won't be.

Flyer - Harpy. Maybe a dual kit with a few more options.

Plastic infantry dual kit - one of the current sets of Finecast units. A Guard, Vore or Thrope box. A Thrope box would also let them wipe a special character off their list, which makes it more likely.

Single frame plastic character - If they can fit it, a Tyranid Prime or Broodlord, but I have a feeling this one will be skipped for the bugs.

Finecast characters, there's plenty of choice.

I can't see them breaking this mold for Tyranids. The only thing I wouldn't be surprised at is no new oval base monster at all, since we have 4 already (5 with the Harpy), and an extra plastic infantry dual kit to bring another set of Finecast models into plastic.

I think we'll get the Mycetic Spore instead of a 'normal' MC. It's big enough to justify the MC price tag and GW will be sick of imitators by now. They might even do a dual-kit thing with it that fulfills a terrain role, such as a spore chimney, capillary tower, etc etc. GW may view the fact that Nids can't fire with Aegis lines as an opportunity to sell something else.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see many of the current units dropped in 6E. GW have been very determined recently to only include codex units they sell models for, and I don't see them releasing new kits for all of:

Shrike
Sky-slasher
Tyranid Prime
Parasite
Doom
Ymgarls
Deathleaper and Old One Eye will probably depend on how much of the old stock they still have around to offload. However there is still a one-eyed head in the regular Carnifex box to make that.

They'll want to do a proper Shrike model, but Skyslashers will likely be dropped since that's a niche thing. They're already a Forge World model and the unit will probably just resurface in IA54, or whenever they get back to doing Nids. With that in mind, my money is on:

1) Mycetic Spore box, probably dual-kit with something similar. Could be an bulky MC, could be terrain.

2) MC flyer dual-box with Harpy and a new unit, one will be anti-air and the other anti-ground unit.

3) Redone Genestealers box with 6 models for around the same price, but with options for Ymgarls and maybe a Broodlord (I'd really love to see a new Broodlord in the style of the 2009 Space Hulk one)

4) New Warriors box with options for Shrikes and Prime, maybe Parasite

5) Doom finecast character

6) Some new finecast character, probably a re-do of the Red Terror to give them a 'fresh' new unit to sell

7) New Tyranid psychic cards

8) Maybe something original. Heh.

I like the idea of having the Warrior box set with options to make Shrikes. Though i'm sure that would give GW cause to bump the price up.

I really want to see the guards and thropes become dual sets. It just makes the most sense

All of those units can be viable by GW casting one thing...wings.

Making a wings bits sprue...or better yet...promoting the forgeworld shrike and slasher wings...suits them well enough

I can't fathom a single one of tose units going anywhere

Tyranid Prime, Ymgarls, Deathleaper, Doom, and Old One Eye are just variations of Warriors, stealers, lictors, zoeys and carnifexes...and require no new model.

I would look back at the Daemon release if you want an idea of whats coming our way...its a "fix this book now" codex with a few shiny additions.

You know while we're throwing things out there. FW did up those really big spore mine models. I'd like to see something done with that. Like a spore mine with almost the same rules as the regular ones but that doesn't blow up when it hits terrain. Maybe make them only orbital deployment and give them a stonger blast. S6 maybe? or give it options to be a different kind of spore like we used to have.

In fact even just bring the old spores back would be good too. But i just love the idea of having a few big mines just floating around the board causing havoc

 Hyrule Hero wrote:
You know while we're throwing things out there. FW did up those really big spore mine models. I'd like to see something done with that. Like a spore mine with almost the same rules as the regular ones but that doesn't blow up when it hits terrain. Maybe make them only orbital deployment and give them a stonger blast. S6 maybe? or give it options to be a different kind of spore like we used to have.

In fact even just bring the old spores back would be good too. But i just love the idea of having a few big mines just floating around the board causing havoc

I think floating spore mines that hit flyers with 2 x str7 ap4 auto hits, when the flyer gets within 2" of the mine would be nice, obviously they float around above the table kind of randomly like the current mines do. Or maybe just give them as an option to be shot from biovores. Like Flakk mines

Spore Mine Orbital Strike would be a nice buy for a prime or tyrant...but seeing as it'll be a blast if anything...not likely that it'll affect any kind of flier

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Hyrule Hero wrote:
You know while we're throwing things out there. FW did up those really big spore mine models. I'd like to see something done with that. Like a spore mine with almost the same rules as the regular ones but that doesn't blow up when it hits terrain. Maybe make them only orbital deployment and give them a stonger blast. S6 maybe? or give it options to be a different kind of spore like we used to have.

In fact even just bring the old spores back would be good too. But i just love the idea of having a few big mines just floating around the board causing havoc

I think floating spore mines that hit flyers with 2 x str7 ap4 auto hits, when the flyer gets within 2" of the mine would be nice, obviously they float around above the table kind of randomly like the current mines do. Or maybe just give them as an option to be shot from biovores. Like Flakk mines

I like this idea. It would really screw with enemy aircraft movement or it would create a target that would divert fire from other units as they rush up the board


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 ductvader wrote:
Spore Mine Orbital Strike would be a nice buy for a prime or tyrant...but seeing as it'll be a blast if anything...not likely that it'll affect any kind of flier

I agree to this too. They would need to not make it a blast but then that's what i spore is. Maybe throw in a new kind of spore that isn't a blast but is designed to hit targets and bore through them

 xttz wrote:
They might even do a dual-kit thing with it that fulfills a terrain role, such as a spore chimney, capillary tower, etc etc. GW may view the fact that Nids can't fire with Aegis lines as an opportunity to sell something else.

Making nid-specific terrain would be nice, something we can actually manually shoot. And considering Forgeworld hasn't produced spore chimneys and capillary towers in however long, I wouldn't mind some accessible terrain options without having to scour eBay for old Forgeworld or even Battle for Macragge terrain.

 ductvader wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
That's not the same thing as a Harpy kit, especially since a lot of people are basing them off of Trygons.

I did mine cheaper and based the off old school tyrants...ripped the legs off and replaced with warrior scytals...tilted him forward...bam...insta Harpy.

People made Tervigons and Tyrannofexes out of Carnifexes kitbashed with Trygons and 3rd party bits. That doesn't mean the plastic kit shouldn't have been released.

The Harpy is now an established Tyranid unit. It needs a plastic kit, or GW face the problem they had with places like chapterhouse releasing units before them (in fact, there's already a few not-Harpies on the market, just not actually sold specifically as Harpies like Chapterhouse decided to do).

The Harpy will get a kit, no doubt about it.

I now see this carnifex/trygon mash...holy F*** thats a giant model for a 4+...glad I went small with mine...I was aiming for a size right between a hive guard and a tyrant.

 ductvader wrote:
I now see this carnifex/trygon mash...holy F*** thats a giant model for a 4+...glad I went small with mine...I was aiming for a size right between a hive guard and a tyrant.

Well its description does put it as trygon size.

 xttz wrote:
I also wouldn't be surprised to see many of the current units dropped in 6E. GW have been very determined recently to only include codex units they sell models for, and I don't see them releasing new kits for all of:

Shrike
Sky-slasher
Tyranid Prime
Parasite
Doom
Ymgarls
Deathleaper and Old One Eye will probably depend on how much of the old stock they still have around to offload. However there is still a one-eyed head in the regular Carnifex box to make that.

Sky Slashers are sold by Forgeworld. Shrikes are Warriors with wings, a kit sold by Forgeworld. Forgeworld is GW, so yes, GW sells these.
Tyranid Prime is just a Tyranid Warrior, though they haven't been particularly clear on the matter. Simply putting a Tyranid Warrior in the gallery and labelling it as a Prime would suffice.
Parasite, Doom - perfect candidates for Finecast releases. In fact, rumours have suggested they're already done in Finecast.
Ymgarls are simply Genestealers with Feeder Tendrils, an option in the Genestealer box.
Deathleaper and Old One Eye have models, plus you can make Old One Eye with the Carnifex box (Carnifex, Regeneration head, Scything Talons, Crushing Claws, done).

I'd wager none of these get dropped. Sky Slashers and Shrikes are outliers in that FW does them, but it's always been this way with those, and FW is GW (like, actually GW, not even a subsidiary).

Eldercaveman wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
I now see this carnifex/trygon mash...holy F*** thats a giant model for a 4+...glad I went small with mine...I was aiming for a size right between a hive guard and a tyrant.

Well its description does put it as trygon size.

The codex never says that. It says that where a Gargoyle is a winged Termagant, a Harpy is long and sinuous like a Trygon.

rigeld2 wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Flyer - Harpy. Maybe a dual kit with a few more options.

Didn't they already do this?

The new Hive Tyrant comes with legs made to look like the Harpy's scything talons...I guess it doesn't come with all the guns but that's simple enough...

Yes, you could build something that looks like a Harpy out of the Flyrant kit.

That's not the same thing as a Harpy kit, especially since a lot of people are basing them off of Trygons.

Most of the recent conversion I've seen use the lower torso of the Hive Tyrant's flying pose and the wings, a Trygon head, and either a Carnifex or Trygon torso, like this:

So very...not my preference...to each their own.


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I made one of mine out of this guy...without the legs. Sure he's got a 12'' wingspan but I can often hide his 1-2'' body...thank goodness wings don't count for LoS.

 ductvader wrote:
So very...not my preference...to each their own.


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Spoiler:

I made one of mine out of this guy...without the legs. Sure he's got a 12'' wingspan but I can often hide his 1-2'' body...thank goodness wings don't count for LoS.

To be fair, stating you can make it out of that model doesn't help people without that model. Forgeworld discontinued it.

I was simply making a statement.

Sorry if that somehow came across as rude...or something.

It was meant to continue the discussion of sizing for the the Harpy.

Given the Harpy's statline it should be smaller than a flyrant given that it's substantially weaker in most every way.

 Kain wrote:
Given the Harpy's statline it should be smaller than a flyrant given that it's substantially weaker in most every way.

So weak that it will on average die to 1 failed grounding test and 4 autocannons, it's just a little bit too fragile for its points cost.

I don't think anyone would argue this...fliers weren't on anyone's mind when it came out...or AA.

Now the flier requires a 3+ and possible T6.

I liked the diversity of the 4+ back when it wasnt necessary

 ductvader wrote:
I don't think anyone would argue this...fliers weren't on anyone's mind when it came out...or AA.

Now the flier requires a 3+ and possible T6.

I liked the diversity of the 4+ back when it wasnt necessary

When the Harpy came out it was rubbish, 5 autocannons = dead non-Swooping Harpy.

It could also deepstrike and kill a giant mob of infantry in a turn..a Harpy can usually make its points back in a turn as long as it has a target...the only thing killing its effectiveness nowadays is interceptor.