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2015/01/06 21:00:59
Subject: CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
Well, I don't see how you could have a Rivet Wars painting contest without Rivet Wars minis ...
And I think 30 days is fine, generally speaking. December is just a bad time for things.
Plus, I'm not super big on converting/painting my minis for cutsey themes. A Rivet in a Santa hat throwing a snowball is good for a chuckle. But looks really out of place in the game naturally. That means I have to either paint extra/repaint - and I have sooo many to paint that I'm not keen on doing that.
2015/01/07 18:27:21
Subject: CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
I've occasionally bought minis for painting competitions, but the problem with RW is that it's so hyper stylized that you can't really say "well, I'll proxy this as a sergeant" very easily, and it looks like the cheapest RW item is $30, so there's no easy purchase to paint up a fun single mini...
I'm not so troubled by themed stuff, though- it takes more creativity, but you can usually figure out a way of getting it to fit if you do something more subtle.
Appreciate the feedback, fellas, a lot! I'll definitely keep both of those in mind when I do the next one.
I'm trying to keep the Painting contests I run for CMoN stuff focused on their board/boxed games, which does certainly limit the audience.
I was considering doing a Kaosball Coaches Bust painting contest next....but again, getting models to people. I do have some extras laying around, I think, so I could offer to mail them to perspective painters.....
2015/01/07 20:34:29
Subject: CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
Wow, a free mini would be plenty of incentive to try my hand at something. I expect CMoN could be willing to provide those if you did the leg work, since it'd be promoting their line.
Regarding themes, I'd strongly suggest either making theme optional/bonus points, a very broad/easily interpreted theme, or making there be at least one category that was themeless, because, while some people like the challenge or inspiration of a theme, some want to paint a pretty model that fits their army (as evidenced in my and Schmapdl's responses).
spiralingcadaver wrote: Wow, a free mini would be plenty of incentive to try my hand at something. I expect CMoN could be willing to provide those if you did the leg work, since it'd be promoting their line.
Regarding themes, I'd strongly suggest either making theme optional/bonus points, a very broad/easily interpreted theme, or making there be at least one category that was themeless, because, while some people like the challenge or inspiration of a theme, some want to paint a pretty model that fits their army (as evidenced in my and Schmapdl's responses).
Oh for sure. The Rivet Wars theme for the Christmas Truce is one that I really loved because it fit the game really well.
Here was the winner, by the way:
Mathieu did a really minimal amount of converting here. Changed some of the dynamite to champagne bottles. I think thats about it.
Love the piece.
2015/03/18 19:25:42
Subject: Re:CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
Anyone have answers on this, I messaged them on KS but haven't had any replies for a couple weeks. I am looking at what I would need to get without making duplicates. Even though the "Captain" graphic on the main page doesn't show this... the Pledge Manager says Captain comes with the following:
Rum & Bones Core Box
Mercenary Heroes Set #2
Helrökkers
Mercenaries Promos Set #1
Mercenaries Promos Set #2
Wellsport Brotherhood Mix
Bone Devils Mix
Sea Creatures Pack
Deck Guns
Mercenary Tide Deck
Plastic Coins
Custom Dice
That means I don't have to add-on Wellsport Brotherhood Mix and Bone Devils Mix because it is part of Captain pledge right?
How many plastic coins are in the average game, would I need to get another set?
Is the Mercenaries Heroes Set #1 Add-on the same as the Mercenaries Promos Set #1 that comes with Captain pledge?
If I get Mazu's Dreadful Curse Expansion and LaBrise Sanguine Expansion, do they have different heroes than those that come with the Mazu's Dreadful Curse Heroes Set #1 and La Brise Sanguine Heroes Set #1?
That leaves the following add-ons for completion? Luck Goddesses and Skullkickers
2015/03/20 07:00:18
Subject: CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
Doesn't the completist pledge for this one come to something like $300 again? I'd like to get it in theory, but it's clearly not like CMoN has any intention to stop pumping out boardgames anytime soon - and sadly there's only so much time to play...
Yes, $305 for everything except the dice/duplicates of coins etc.
I think that for this one, the base pledge offers more than enough variety. You could get the two expansions as well, but that costs almost as much as the base pledge for substantially less content.
We don't know their retail price yet, but I'm sure you could probably get a better price in the shop. Unless Australia is just as bad as the UK for this stuff (i.e. retail price typically just swaps the dollar sign for a pound sign).
The non-base pledge 'exclusives' are actually pretty minimal - one model for each expansion, the Luck Goddesses (which are...not really to my taste) and the Skullkickers (which are not brilliant models, and are more for fans of a fairly niche comic).
I think the pledge manager is quite clear about the difference between the add-ons and the base pledge contents. The "Heroes Sets" in the add-ons do not overlap with the base pledge "Mix" contents, or the heroes in the 2 expansions. They are extra heroes for each faction.
2015/03/23 09:34:53
Subject: CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
Australian retail is far from great. Undead Pirate models would be one of the bigger hooks for me, though I'm not sure how much the various add-ons add to the game. In Zombicide for example, the extra characters add a lot (IMO).
Well, this is billed as a DOTA-alike, where the characters (and therefore the composition of a team) have a huge impact on how the game plays.
Like a CCG, you're looking to go for a particular strategy before you begin playing, and your team make-up is chosen to match this. I actually think that having 4 distinct factions might limit them in this regard, but both expansions change the "map" that you're playing on, and the strategies that can be employed.
They did post a couple of updates concerning how you might build a team:
So you might have a support character without any direct attacks at all, that buffs your hordes. You might be all about controlling enemy heroes, with push/pull skills. You might have one hero that inflicts long-lasting statuses, and tanks that can then stop these heroes from fleeing to seek recovery.
2015/03/25 07:36:23
Subject: CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
Hm.. thanks. I'm really more interested in undead pirates, regular pirates and perhaps some sexy pirate babes than anything else from this, and I've got/got access to plenty of DOTAs on PC that require little effort to play (especially compared to a board game), yet I don't play them, either. Might end up one that's better for me to skip, depite the nice minis in it, especially as a lot of the nicer looking models are in relatively expensive add-on packs.
alanmckenzie wrote: Mine arrived yesterday. Very impressed with the quality of components.
The boxes of extra heroes and things are huge though. Didn't think I ordered too many extra add-ons, but now I'm not sure where to store it all.
Looking forward to trying it out. Not sure when, mind you.
I can't exactly rationalise this, but I'm actually rather angry at CMON for how over-packaged some of their Kickstarters are recently! World of Smog is a fairly straightforward Eurogame, but still comes in a giant deep box. The R&B Extras all come in beautiful thick boxes with full colour art, viewing windows, blurb on the back - and 80% of them are Kickstarter Exclusives and will never be sold again! The boxes can't even be used for storing things in, as they have those big viewing holes cut in the tops.
As a result, I got this truly colossal package showing up at my front door (bigger and heavier than a child), and spent a couple of hours just going through everything and removing packaging. Many models are inside a taped down plastic clamshell inside a cardboard box, inside another cardboard box, inside a layer of shrinkwrap, inside another cardboard box. All of the waste cardboard and plastic is enough to fill several bins!
I don't know if the only other alternative is the Mantic-style "toss them all in a bag", but as long as they reach me in one piece, that's essentially where they're going to end up anyway.
Oh, and the models are of really quite good quality (but certainly do lose some detail on the smaller faces), and the game is supposed to be remarkably fun, so might be worth looking out for at retail!
2015/09/02 17:05:01
Subject: CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
alanmckenzie wrote: Mine arrived yesterday. Very impressed with the quality of components.
The boxes of extra heroes and things are huge though. Didn't think I ordered too many extra add-ons, but now I'm not sure where to store it all.
Looking forward to trying it out. Not sure when, mind you.
I can't exactly rationalise this, but I'm actually rather angry at CMON for how over-packaged some of their Kickstarters are recently! World of Smog is a fairly straightforward Eurogame, but still comes in a giant deep box. The R&B Extras all come in beautiful thick boxes with full colour art, viewing windows, blurb on the back - and 80% of them are Kickstarter Exclusives and will never be sold again! The boxes can't even be used for storing things in, as they have those big viewing holes cut in the tops.
As a result, I got this truly colossal package showing up at my front door (bigger and heavier than a child), and spent a couple of hours just going through everything and removing packaging. Many models are inside a taped down plastic clamshell inside a cardboard box, inside another cardboard box, inside a layer of shrinkwrap, inside another cardboard box. All of the waste cardboard and plastic is enough to fill several bins!
I don't know if the only other alternative is the Mantic-style "toss them all in a bag", but as long as they reach me in one piece, that's essentially where they're going to end up anyway.
Oh, and the models are of really quite good quality (but certainly do lose some detail on the smaller faces), and the game is supposed to be remarkably fun, so might be worth looking out for at retail!
I know where you're coming from here. I don't mind the actual game box itself. It's quite large, larger than probably necessary, but it's a nice box and I enjoyed opening it and going through it.
The packaging for the extras however, as you say, does seem a bit wasteful. And really impractical from a storage point of view (particularly when storage at home is extremely scarce). I expect that I'll end up buying a nice little wooden box to store all the extras in but that just makes the existing packaging seem like an even bigger waste. Again, as you say, the boxes are quite nice, but I expect that the vast majority will end up in the bin. I'm not overly fussed, but I don't really like binning nice things.
As an example, here is a picture of the sea creatures box with the obligatory space marine for scale. There are only 9 small and 1 reasonably large (SM dreadnought sized) models in this massive (but nice) box....
And when we roll back to Sedition Wars, the first big CMON game, the got a load of stick for all the extras just coming in plastic bags with no packaging
so then we got nice boxes with the zombicide survivors,
and then came the plastic trays for everything (not sure which campaign introduced them) which I suspect are done to reduce the amount of breakages and thus replacements needing expensive shipping, since the thinner bits of the pvc minis are not as sturdy as unbuilt HIPS stuff 'on sprue' or metal
2015/09/02 22:03:17
Subject: Re:CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
fwiw, the Zombicide 3 extras came in a plain cardboard box with plastic inserts.
My guess for the fancy packaging is that CMON wasn't sure whether or not they'd sell the units at retail, so went with the "retail packaging" option. Dunno.
Oh yes, I'm perfectly fine with the big boxes for the main game (and 2 expansions), as there's a lot of nice stuff that has to be stored!
If you have the expansions, you can probably get away with putting the extra (non-faction) Mercs in these and the "core" extras (like the coins, dice and Sea Monsters) in the main box, and just get rid of the rest.
I agree that it's better to have nicer glossy boxes than everything being badly packed into loose bags, but somebone's paying for all of this packaging (and shipping the product in this packaging), and it isn't CMON!
It's probably just a combination of:
1) CMON Kickstarters are so successful that they produce more exclusive product than most games have entire print runs, so it's economical.
2) The factories are making similar packaging for R&B product which isn't exclusive (like the faction boosters), so this can all be part of the same order.
3) It makes it much easier to resell exclusives for a tidy profit, which encourages people to pledge for multiple extra copies up front.
Exclusive or not, Kickstarter or not, it's just nice to see boardgames and boardgame models become such slick productions, when you compare things to a mere decade ago!
2015/09/03 13:26:55
Subject: CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
That was actually one of my sticky points with Kaosball.
I have all the teams (except team #5 apparently) and I tried to convince myself to get rid of the individual team boxes, but they're just too well done. They store easily. They're clearly labeled everywhere. They're pretty perfect. But they take up a lot of space.
But I'll tell you what, I'll take a well designed, organized box insert that I may CHOOSE to throw out because I find a better solution than a box with no insert or a gakky insert that I have to find a better solution for.
2015/09/04 02:04:15
Subject: Re:CMoN Ron & Bones Kickstarter - Ended at $739K - late backer option open until 1/31/15!
Anyone know what we're supposed to do with mercenaries?
How do we integrate their cards (do we?) Do they replace the original crew or do they plop down on top? I didn't see anything about this and am trying to figure it out. I got mine in today and am super excited
Mercs can fill in for whatever position on the sip they serve- captain, quartermaster, swashbuckler... whatever. You just swap out the basic character for the job on your boat.
The tide deck for the mercs is if you want to run a full mercenary crew in lieu of a different crew (wellsport or brotherhood for example).
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Mercs can fill in for whatever position on the sip they serve- captain, quartermaster, swashbuckler... whatever. You just swap out the basic character for the job on your boat.
The tide deck for the mercs is if you want to run a full mercenary crew in lieu of a different crew (wellsport or brotherhood for example).
So basically if all of your officers are mercs you can run the merc deck instead? Sounds cool.
Angels Amaranthine - growing slowly
Currently 200pts 
Game was back and forth, but in the end the Kraken emerged and wiped me out.