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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
What flyers do chaos marines have?

Marines are low on my list, I know they’re the most popular in 40k but in terms of flyers they mostly suck. Out of many flyers the only half decent ones are the FW ones, which from my understanding are mostly 30k era rather than 40k.

They have the two darts (hell blade and hell talon, one of which is a bomber) and they have the mecha-dragon which is basically a possessed hell talon. All of which are specifically unique creations of the Dark Mechanicus with no imperial “precursor” vehicle. Technically you can add the dropship/super drop pod too, for transportation missions if nothing else. Plus classic Epic had the various Tzeentchi flyers (basically the same airframes but warped into more birdlike forms) and the Silver Towers (Titan scale flying castles, with speed, manoeuvrability, firepower, and transport capacity to match) that could be drawn from if required.

I thought the chaos flyers were all flown by servitors rather than marines though?

What’s the difference between a mind-wiped servitor and a chaos marine that failed a leadership challenge?
Exactly.
Also the robo dragon is flown by a daemon and no-one questions it being in the heretic Astartes list…

 Mr_Rose wrote:
What’s the difference between a mind-wiped servitor and a chaos marine that failed a leadership challenge?
Exactly.
Also the robo dragon is flown by a daemon and no-one questions it being in the heretic Astartes list…

I had assumed when Natalie said we should have Chaos Space Marines as a faction that there might actually be Chaos Marine flyers, the same way the Imperials have the Navy flyers separate to the Astartes flyers.

I’d always considered the Hell Blade/Talon and Harbinger the mirror of the Navy rather than the Marines.

As I said previously, I think most the marine flyers are shoehorned junk anyway. I’d like to see the thunderhawk, but will be happy if they skip the chibi-hawk, chibi-talon, dog’s heads, etc. Especially when one of those dogs heads is supposed to represent an air superiority fighter, ergh.

The thing about Space Marines being separate from the IN, is that it’s a distinction that was put in place after the Heresy specifically to limit the power of both.
All the chaos dudes are a) totally anti anything that would restrict their power and b) all about rejecting the imperium’s rules—both of which align nicely with keeping everything in the same chain of command, with the marines right at the top.

Finaly, we are getting new toys! (soon)

Tau is flying in!


and more imps.


in addition, new 2p box set and new campaign book.

Finally some real transports so we don’t have to mess about with the abomination that is marauder destroyers deploying troops. I hope the issue errata. Seriously.

And, with the Tau, I'm getting into this game!

Most important - it's the cool FW flyers, not the boring and plain GW ones! yee-haw!

Wow lot's of stuff for the specialist games today, way more exciting than that lvo preview. I'm glad to see the Tau are next, will pick up some of them for sure.

Tau looks like Elite Dangerous ships. Dont feel any way about it really.

But the game needs better rules and scenarios for matched play, and the maneuvers really need an overhaul.

Ill get the imp ships for the models, not interested in buying the new book though.

Wonder if there will be cards for the new ships. Not included in the model box of course, that would be too decent.

Right now i think the game needs more forces to give us more varied "gameplay".

Yes some of the rules could be better, yes an FAQ/errata is overdue and yes some of the manouvers should be changed, but i feel that atleast the last part wont happend untill the game has seen atleast 1 year on the table.
I do feel sad for the ork players tough, as it seems they will not get new toys in this expansion. (ofc i could be wrong here, but seems solid that it will only be imps and tau this time)

I bet the next campaign book after this one will be orks vs eldar or orks vs chaos. I had a feeling they would go this route for introducing new factions. Orks will simply have to wait till late summer/fall though.

Love how they have made the FW Tau flyers not the 40k ones

Are those the Voss pattern lightnings?



Gross.

 Easy E wrote:
Are those the Voss pattern lightnings?



Gross.

Hey now. No taking my name in vain just because every frikkin sci-fi/fantasy property under the sun wants to co-opt it.

The original Lightning looked like an Aquila Lander banged an F-15. This one at least has a coherent aesthetic.

Why do they label the new imperial crafts as Adtra Militarum and not Imperial Navy? They are the same faction right?

Soulless wrote:
Why do they label the new imperial crafts as Adtra Militarum and not Imperial Navy? They are the same faction right?

Not quite, one is the air support of the ground forces; the other is the dedicated airforce. It's also a means by which GW can spread out the copious Imperial releases without having one faction dominate others by having two or three times the variety of units. This not only spreads out the factions, but also means that one faction doesn't end up with no weakness or with units that cover the same basic function and thus outdoing each other.


It's the kind of thing whereby if the game were expanded to the point where multiple factions had a dozen units each and where the game mechanics allowed for more niche functions and speciailst functions the game could well expand to larger airforces. That said I don't expect it to happen - I'd expect a moderate increase and some unique sculpts that might not appear in other scales/games and then a branch sideways into Epic (possibly).

 Overread wrote:

Soulless wrote:
Why do they label the new imperial crafts as Adtra Militarum and not Imperial Navy? They are the same faction right?

Not quite, one is the air support of the ground forces; the other is the dedicated airforce. It's also a means by which GW can spread out the copious Imperial releases without having one faction dominate others by having two or three times the variety of units. This not only spreads out the factions, but also means that one faction doesn't end up with no weakness or with units that cover the same basic function and thus outdoing each other.


It's the kind of thing whereby if the game were expanded to the point where multiple factions had a dozen units each and where the game mechanics allowed for more niche functions and speciailst functions the game could well expand to larger airforces. That said I don't expect it to happen - I'd expect a moderate increase and some unique sculpts that might not appear in other scales/games and then a branch sideways into Epic (possibly).

Okay, that sounds reasonable. Thanks for clearing that out!

But on the subject, the article does say that the new imperial ships will expand an already existing imperial force so that sounds like they ARE usable with the Navy.
Maybe they are implementing some form of squad bonus or such for "pure" lists.

Soulless wrote:
Why do they label the new imperial crafts as Adtra Militarum and not Imperial Navy? They are the same faction right?

yes it will be like AM and scions in 40k, same army, different sub branch.

if they will however seperate them in terms of rules, we wont know untill the next book is out.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The original Lightning looked like an Aquila Lander banged an F-15. This one at least has a coherent aesthetic.

What? It was great!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The original Lightning looked like an Aquila Lander banged an F-15. This one at least has a coherent aesthetic.

Let's just say, I disagree. The design is all over the place like and Avenger Strike Figher banged an Ork Fighta..... to use your analogy.

Watched the AI game on warhammerTV in rerun last night and noticed they had several craft on flightstems of various height...anyone know where to order these?

I still think the older barracuda looks better than the redesign. The newer one is flatter, with flared wing tips. The location of the turret drone things on the wings is different too. The newer one has stuff sticking out everywhere, older has more minimalism and curves.

Soulless wrote:
Watched the AI game on warhammerTV in rerun last night and noticed they had several craft on flightstems of various height...anyone know where to order these?

so far nowhere.
could be they just modifyed the stems. snip off the ball, snip the stem to desired length, reglue the ball to the stem with a solid glue joint. as it is under the plane i doubt the fogged plastic will show.

 Thargrim wrote:


I still think the older barracuda looks better than the redesign. The newer one is flatter, with flared wing tips. The location of the turret drone things on the wings is different too. The newer one has stuff sticking out everywhere, older has more minimalism and curves.

I don't know which is which, but the left one looks way more airworthy.

 Thargrim wrote:


I still think the older barracuda looks better than the redesign. The newer one is flatter, with flared wing tips. The location of the turret drone things on the wings is different too. The newer one has stuff sticking out everywhere, older has more minimalism and curves.

I think they both fit Tau.
Kinda like, the one on the left is the version they used 50 years ago, the one on the right is the current version.

After all, staying at one design for all eternity wont work.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
What flyers do chaos marines have?

Marines are low on my list, I know they’re the most popular in 40k but in terms of flyers they mostly suck. Out of many flyers the only half decent ones are the FW ones, which from my understanding are mostly 30k era rather than 40k.

They have the two darts (hell blade and hell talon, one of which is a bomber) and they have the mecha-dragon which is basically a possessed hell talon. All of which are specifically unique creations of the Dark Mechanicus with no imperial “precursor” vehicle. Technically you can add the dropship/super drop pod too, for transportation missions if nothing else. Plus classic Epic had the various Tzeentchi flyers (basically the same airframes but warped into more birdlike forms) and the Silver Towers (Titan scale flying castles, with speed, manoeuvrability, firepower, and transport capacity to match) that could be drawn from if required.

Most of the 30k stuff is still around in 40k, just rarer. Fire Raptor, Storm Eagle, Thunderhawk, Stormbird, and Xiphon could easily all show up as CSM units.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:


I think they both fit Tau.
Kinda like, the one on the left is the version they used 50 years ago, the one on the right is the current version.

Other way around. The one on the left (Tan) is the new one, the one on the right (blue) is the old one.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
Kinda like, the one on the left is the version they used 50 years ago, the one on the right is the current version.

After all, staying at one design for all eternity wont work.

Tell that to the Adeptus Mechanicus... or rather, don't.