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wighti wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Anyone else catch the mention of 'Hypermorphs'?

Aberrants have been upgraded with a brand new kit, featuring a host of grisly customisation options, a choice of weapons and mutated brethren known as Hypermorphs – especially “gifted” Aberrants with special weapon options of their own, from their mutated tails to signposts.

Could this mean Abberants are going to be a double kit and this is a new unit? They sound unique

Think thats fairly given with the hypermorph being an sargeant upgrade they previously didnt have

That makes sense, so it would be like an optional upgrade to Abberants to give them a sergeant equivalent?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Facebook picture detailing the SW Lieutenant's loadout. Sorry!

Spoiler:

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Who is Haldor Icepelt?

Battle Leaders are Huskarls--senior members of the Wolf Guard and respected members of their Wolf Lord's war council. Battle Leaders are often given command of a strike force of the Great Company's warriors in the absence of its Wolf Lord. As a Primaris Battle Leader, Haldor Icepelt holds a rank roughly equivalent to a Primaris Lieutenant in other Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes.

Haldor Icepelt hails from Ragnar Blackmane's Great Company. In battle, Icepelt wields a bolt carbine(!!!) and a large power axe called Fellcleaver.

I'm wondering if Lieutenants, in general, are going to get access to more kit options with a generic boxed set coming sometime soon-ish.

I would reaaaaaaaaallly like to see a "primaris commander" box ala the old space marine force commander

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm wondering if Lieutenants, in general, are going to get access to more kit options with a generic boxed set coming sometime soon-ish.

I really hope so! The abysmal weapon options of the characters is my biggest gripe about the Primaris.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm wondering if Lieutenants, in general, are going to get access to more kit options with a generic boxed set coming sometime soon-ish.

I really hope so! The abysmal weapon options of the characters is my biggest gripe about the Primaris.

I think it's a common gripe of a lot of us. more specialist troops is something we can work with, but being able to customize your hero is a biiiiig part of 40k. at least for marines

BrianDavion wrote:


I think it's a common gripe of a lot of us. more specialist troops is something we can work with, but being able to customize your hero is a biiiiig part of 40k. at least for marines

Yep. I don't mind the monoweapon units, but characters are something you really need to be able to customise. It is also a bit surreal that an Intercessor sergeant (which has gak weapon options) still has more weapon option than a Primaris Lieutenant.

 Crimson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


I think it's a common gripe of a lot of us. more specialist troops is something we can work with, but being able to customize your hero is a biiiiig part of 40k. at least for marines

Yep. I don't mind the monoweapon units, but characters are something you really need to be able to customise. It is also a bit surreal that an Intercessor sergeant (which has gak weapon options) still has more weapon option than a Primaris Lieutenant.

I'm curious if the carbine is going to be master crafted.

You can make some pretty nasty combos with the abominant. A unit of maxed aberrants with picks, abominant and primus will be hitting on 2s with 2x attacks per model and exploding hits on a 5+. Combine that with either might from beyond or the primus’ ambush control abilities and you can make it even nastier. Or just put the unit in a transport and drive it right up the board.

 Asmodas wrote:
You can make some pretty nasty combos with the abominant. A unit of maxed aberrants with picks, abominant and primus will be hitting on 2s with 2x attacks per model and exploding hits on a 5+. Combine that with either might from beyond or the primus’ ambush control abilities and you can make it even nastier. Or just put the unit in a transport and drive it right up the board.

The exploding rule works on an unmodified dice role. Still strong tought. And maybe even more intersting weapon rule if it is also applied to the Acolytes or genestealers.

GunSmith wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:
You can make some pretty nasty combos with the abominant. A unit of maxed aberrants with picks, abominant and primus will be hitting on 2s with 2x attacks per model and exploding hits on a 5+. Combine that with either might from beyond or the primus’ ambush control abilities and you can make it even nastier. Or just put the unit in a transport and drive it right up the board.

The exploding rule works on an unmodified dice role. Still strong tought. And maybe even more intersting weapon rule if it is also applied to the Acolytes or genestealers.

Good catch. Still, use it with might from beyond to boost the aberrants to S6 and +1 attacks per model and you can have that unit pumping out a ton of attacks. Could be quite good against anything T6 or less.

So about that Power Axe. Is the Large just a descriptor, or are Primaris Melee weapons going to get a +1 as well as their shooting weapons.

 skullking wrote:

Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.

Has anyone heard anything about what these 'Other cults' are? Is there a chance we could get something other than orks, Genestealers, and SW?

 BrookM wrote:
First Space Wolves preview: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/15/15th-aug-codex-space-wolves-preview-hunters-unleashed-and-datasheets-galoregw-homepage-post-3/

Good to see plenty of regular SM units making their way into the codex for the first time as well as the Primaris units.

 skullking wrote:

 skullking wrote:

Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.

Has anyone heard anything about what these 'Other cults' are? Is there a chance we could get something other than orks, Genestealers, and SW?

I don't think they'd be full armies, but I would not be surprised if November sees some releases of some kits that would be big for Christmas.

Justyn wrote:
So about that Power Axe. Is the Large just a descriptor, or are Primaris Melee weapons going to get a +1 as well as their shooting weapons.

likely just a descriptor, but given the axe has a name I suppose it's possiable the axe is eaither mastercrafted or a frost axe.

I doubt it though, so far the canon marine Lt Loadouts have been a Mastercrafted bolt rifle (auto or stalker) and pistol, that may replace the rifle with a power sword, Dark Angels can take a plasma Pistol as well or replacing their bolt pistol apparently (I'm curious if that was intended for everyone, codex space wolves will suggest one way or another I suspect ) now let's examine the Space Wolf Leuitenant in this context.

right first of all let's compare power swords and power axes. Powersword S - AP -3 D: 1. Power Axe: S +1. AP-2 D 1. This is honestly a preferance thing although I hear Power Axes are the better choice according to the mathhammer people (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

Now here is where things get intreasting... the Bolt Carbine is a 24 inch, assault 2 gun. stat wise it's the same as the auto bolt rifle. although the Primaris Lt autobolt rifle is master crafted. so assuming the carbine isn't, the standard autogun Leuitenant will have better ranged firepower, but the SW Lt will be the best over all Leuitenant. if the axe or gun are master crafted, the SW Leuitenant will become the undisputed best Primaris Lt avaliable right now.



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 Kanluwen wrote:

 skullking wrote:

 skullking wrote:

Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.

Has anyone heard anything about what these 'Other cults' are? Is there a chance we could get something other than orks, Genestealers, and SW?

I don't think they'd be full armies, but I would not be surprised if November sees some releases of some kits that would be big for Christmas.

I could see some form of "the Lost and the Damned" coming out.

likely just a descriptor, but given the axe has a name I suppose it's possiable the axe is eaither mastercrafted or a frost axe.

I doubt it though, so far the canon marine Lt Loadouts have been a Mastercrafted bolt rifle (auto or stalker) and pistol, that may replace the rifle with a power sword, Dark Angels can take a plasma Pistol as well or replacing their bolt pistol apparently (I'm curious if that was intended for everyone, codex space wolves will suggest one way or another I suspect ) now let's examine the Space Wolf Leuitenant in this context.

right first of all let's compare power swords and power axes. Powersword S - AP -3 D: 1. Power Axe: S +1. AP-2 D 1. This is honestly a preferance thing although I hear Power Axes are the better choice according to the mathhammer people (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

Now here is where things get intreasting... the Bolt Carbine is a 24 inch, assault 2 gun. stat wise it's the same as the auto bolt rifle. although the Primaris Lt autobolt rifle is master crafted. so assuming the carbine isn't, the standard autogun Leuitenant will have better ranged firepower, but the SW Lt will be the best over all Leuitenant. if the axe or gun are master crafted, the SW Leuitenant will become the undisputed best Primaris Lt avaliable right now.

The real questions are "Is the extra wound worth the loss of wargear choices? and "Will he get the Wolf Guard keyword"?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 skullking wrote:

 skullking wrote:

Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.

Has anyone heard anything about what these 'Other cults' are? Is there a chance we could get something other than orks, Genestealers, and SW?

I don't think they'd be full armies, but I would not be surprised if November sees some releases of some kits that would be big for Christmas.

I could see some form of "the Lost and the Damned" coming out.

Maybe. I doubt it though.

I could see a thing being added for "Lost and the Damned" to replace <Regiment> ala "Brood Brothers" though.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 skullking wrote:

 skullking wrote:

Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.

Has anyone heard anything about what these 'Other cults' are? Is there a chance we could get something other than orks, Genestealers, and SW?

I don't think they'd be full armies, but I would not be surprised if November sees some releases of some kits that would be big for Christmas.

Black Legion was mentioned as threatening vigilus. Chaos cultists could use a multipart kit, and it would not be hard to modify the assets from the cawdor gangers to chaos.

Justyn wrote:

likely just a descriptor, but given the axe has a name I suppose it's possiable the axe is eaither mastercrafted or a frost axe.

I doubt it though, so far the canon marine Lt Loadouts have been a Mastercrafted bolt rifle (auto or stalker) and pistol, that may replace the rifle with a power sword, Dark Angels can take a plasma Pistol as well or replacing their bolt pistol apparently (I'm curious if that was intended for everyone, codex space wolves will suggest one way or another I suspect ) now let's examine the Space Wolf Leuitenant in this context.

right first of all let's compare power swords and power axes. Powersword S - AP -3 D: 1. Power Axe: S +1. AP-2 D 1. This is honestly a preferance thing although I hear Power Axes are the better choice according to the mathhammer people (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

Now here is where things get intreasting... the Bolt Carbine is a 24 inch, assault 2 gun. stat wise it's the same as the auto bolt rifle. although the Primaris Lt autobolt rifle is master crafted. so assuming the carbine isn't, the standard autogun Leuitenant will have better ranged firepower, but the SW Lt will be the best over all Leuitenant. if the axe or gun are master crafted, the SW Leuitenant will become the undisputed best Primaris Lt avaliable right now.

The real questions are "Is the extra wound worth the loss of wargear choices? and "Will he get the Wolf Guard keyword"?

Suppose it depends, if you for example where inclined to just run a Lt with a Power Axe and bolt gun anyway it might be, keep in mind you also get a second attack with a Primaris Lt.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 skullking wrote:

 skullking wrote:

Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.

Has anyone heard anything about what these 'Other cults' are? Is there a chance we could get something other than orks, Genestealers, and SW?

I don't think they'd be full armies, but I would not be surprised if November sees some releases of some kits that would be big for Christmas.

Black Legion was mentioned as threatening vigilus. Chaos cultists could use a multipart kit, and it would not be hard to modify the assets from the cawdor gangers to chaos.

Yup.

Like I said, I've been kinda/sorta thinking that November and December might end up being a case this year of "Here's some cool stuff that was missing kits and some stuff that previously was only in boxed sets!".

I'm wildly speculating, with the idea being "something that can be Chapter Approved or just FAQ'd in" :
A Primaris Lieutenant two model kit for 'generic' Marines, with a few of the weapon options we've seen on the Chapter specific ones(Plasma Pistols from Dark Angels and now Bolt Carbines with Space Wolves) that can be compatible with the Chapter specific upgrade kits. Possibly a plastic TFC kit?
Chaos Cultists and an Abaddon model.
The Cryptek with scarab boogyboard and Flayed Ones.
Genestealer Cults McCree and Aberrants.
AdMech Servitors in plastic(finally!) and some kind of new HQ

Stuff like that. Done properly, it'd be an interesting way to fill up a traditionally dead couple of months for new releases.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 skullking wrote:

 skullking wrote:

Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.

Has anyone heard anything about what these 'Other cults' are? Is there a chance we could get something other than orks, Genestealers, and SW?

I don't think they'd be full armies, but I would not be surprised if November sees some releases of some kits that would be big for Christmas.

Black Legion was mentioned as threatening vigilus. Chaos cultists could use a multipart kit, and it would not be hard to modify the assets from the cawdor gangers to chaos.

Yup.

Like I said, I've been kinda/sorta thinking that November and December might end up being a case this year of "Here's some cool stuff that was missing kits and some stuff that previously was only in boxed sets!".

I'm wildly speculating, with the idea being "something that can be Chapter Approved or just FAQ'd in" :
A Primaris Lieutenant two model kit for 'generic' Marines, with a few of the weapon options we've seen on the Chapter specific ones(Plasma Pistols from Dark Angels and now Bolt Carbines with Space Wolves) that can be compatible with the Chapter specific upgrade kits. Possibly a plastic TFC kit?
Chaos Cultists and an Abaddon model.
The Cryptek with scarab boogyboard and Flayed Ones.
Genestealer Cults McCree and Aberrants.
AdMech Servitors in plastic(finally!) and some kind of new HQ

Stuff like that. Done properly, it'd be an interesting way to fill up a traditionally dead couple of months for new releases.

I could definatly see them putting out some new models at the end of the year and putting theri rules in chapter approved. It seems like a good idea over all

Suppose it depends, if you for example where inclined to just run a Lt with a Power Axe and bolt gun anyway it might be, keep in mind you also get a second attack with a Primaris Lt.

WGBL and Primaris LT both currently have 4 attacks. The WGBL also has Frag and Krak which the Primaris does not at least from what I see.

Predictions on price?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 skullking wrote:

 skullking wrote:

Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.

Has anyone heard anything about what these 'Other cults' are? Is there a chance we could get something other than orks, Genestealers, and SW?

I don't think they'd be full armies, but I would not be surprised if November sees some releases of some kits that would be big for Christmas.

Black Legion was mentioned as threatening vigilus. Chaos cultists could use a multipart kit, and it would not be hard to modify the assets from the cawdor gangers to chaos.

Yup.

Like I said, I've been kinda/sorta thinking that November and December might end up being a case this year of "Here's some cool stuff that was missing kits and some stuff that previously was only in boxed sets!".

I'm wildly speculating, with the idea being "something that can be Chapter Approved or just FAQ'd in" :
A Primaris Lieutenant two model kit for 'generic' Marines, with a few of the weapon options we've seen on the Chapter specific ones(Plasma Pistols from Dark Angels and now Bolt Carbines with Space Wolves) that can be compatible with the Chapter specific upgrade kits. Possibly a plastic TFC kit?
Chaos Cultists and an Abaddon model.
The Cryptek with scarab boogyboard and Flayed Ones.
Genestealer Cults McCree and Aberrants.
AdMech Servitors in plastic(finally!) and some kind of new HQ

Stuff like that. Done properly, it'd be an interesting way to fill up a traditionally dead couple of months for new releases.

I like these as potential adds to the campaign. Gives a lot of armies a little something to enjoy. I never thought about the servitors never having had a plastic kit, WOW that's over due! Especially with AdMech as an actual army now. Maybe they could make a plastic set that can be built as servitors or Necromunda pit fighters?

It was said to be 90GBP--which comes to $145USD.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Like I said, I've been kinda/sorta thinking that November and December might end up being a case this year of "Here's some cool stuff that was missing kits and some stuff that previously was only in boxed sets!".

I sure hope so. I need a Guardian of Souls for my Nighthaunt and a Cryptek with Canoptek Cloak for my Necrons...

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Like I said, I've been kinda/sorta thinking that November and December might end up being a case this year of "Here's some cool stuff that was missing kits and some stuff that previously was only in boxed sets!".

I sure hope so. I need a Guardian of Souls for my Nighthaunt and a Cryptek with Canoptek Cloak for my Necrons...

I think you might be outta luck on the Guardian of Souls for the time being
The store birthday one seems to be 'the other one'.

I'm hoping that the still as yet unidentified eel bit from Idoneth is going to be tied to this on the AoS side of things.

I'm thinking the eel may have been a prototyped bit that never made it onto the final kit.

 Ghaz wrote:
I'm thinking the eel may have been a prototyped bit that never made it onto the final kit.

Yet it somehow made it onto the website as part of the painted stuff? It might be--but the base also doesn't seem to be 'right' for a 32mm base(which the Namarti are on).

It's still on there, I might add. In case anyone's wondering what I'm referring to:

This bit is not present in any of the Idoneth range. I own at least one of everything (barring Lotann) and it just plain isn't there.

I've been thinking it's for an Akhelian character that we haven't seen yet, as it was surprising that we didn't get a "character on big mount"--or heck, it's surprising we didn't get one on a plain old Fangmora Eel.

But how is it related to Genestealer Cult or Space Wolves?

Any confirmation on the primaris stuff being regular kits with just a wolf upgrade sprue? Just looking to get that half to bolster my regular primaris army. I'd probably paint up the leader for fun.